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Germany, a Paradise for slackers ?

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At least you have good weather.

Not when global warming has more and more to say about it. But at least it's better than modern Nuclear Power, right? (it isn't)

Not working is no solution either in my opinion.

Nihilism is not a solution, but it doesn't naturally affect people like this, it's an effect of feeling completely powerless in their lives for far too long.

And yes, you don't get sacked for being sick for a longer time.

I doubt that, but even if German work is still more protected than in the rest of Europe, it's a matter of time. By design of ordoliberalism.

Educate myself further and search for a better job, where I might have the power to change such things.

I was also young and naive once, but it's possible I'm just a cynical asshole now too. Good luck.
 
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I doubt that, but even if German work is still more protected than in the rest of Europe,
In private business you get you full wage for six weeks if you are sick (Entgeltfortzahlung im Krankheitsfall). And after that your health insurance will pay 70% of your wage theoretically infinitely (Krankengeld) but it will try to declare you as incapacitated for work after some time. Still sickness does not affect your employment relationship.
If you are an official (e. g. a teacher) you are generally irredeemable but you will also earn 100% of your wage for an infinite period of time if you are sick. German (or better: Prussian) officialdom is very expensive but since 1/3 of the German MPs are officials nobody wants to change that.
 
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I was also young and naive once, but it's possible I'm just a cynical asshole now too. Good luck.
No, you are not. I know what you mean. And I don't think that I can change the whole thing, but maybe a little part of it. I know the feeling of being powerless - and I'm grateful for a chance to change it to a certain degree. Even if it's just my little world.

Thank you! :-)
 
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Good.
In Italy (SHitaly) poors get no money.
Work: abour 12-14 hours per day, 6-7 days at week, 500-700 eur at month...

If you are lucky, you can reach 1000-1200 eurs, but a single-room shitty home cost about 500 eur at month...

I want Italy disappear from the Earth :/
 
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Good.
In Italy (SHitaly) poors get no money.
Work: abour 12-14 hours per day, 6-7 days at week, 500-700 eur at month...

If you are lucky, you can reach 1000-1200 eurs, but a single-room shitty home cost about 500 eur at month...

I want Italy disappear from the Earth :/
That's life, at least in Italy you have great food and coffee, come visit Germany and you will understand why I complain about that.
They ask 3€ for a cup of coffee that tastes like charcoal, and your average lunch is no much better than a Kebab.
 

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That's life, at least in Italy you have great food and coffee, come visit Germany and you will understand why I complain about that.
They ask 3€ for a cup of coffee that tastes like charcoal, and your average lunch is no much better than a Kebab.
Well, you have any idea how cost the great "italian foods" nowdays??
I do not care about coffee, so no problem lol.

Italian foods cost much more here in Italy than in other countries as import foods. This is a shame.
A meal cost over 10 eur at Kg, mozzarella cost 8-9 eur at Kg. And costs continue to grow every years.
Bus and trains always less runs, and tickets price always grow (now it 1.20 eur for two closed places; the monthly ticket grow from 19 eur to 35 >_>)

Industries quickly kill made-in-Italy food, greedy vendors sold their "culture" for trash food and easy money.
Wait some other years and TRUE italian food will not exist anymore.

So, even if you get 1000 eurs, 500 go for a hovel (not house), you need 300 eur of food, bills of water and electricity are about 200-300 eur too. And you dont know how ridicolous taxes here are...
 
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That is a pity, because real Italian food tastes fucking great.
I know, best food in the world.
Italian food culture is great, but italians people NOT, this is the fact. They sold their identity to industries and "progress". Now everybody only looking for money, nothing more.
I hate italians because they vaunt to other countries about Italy greatness and foods, but then allow this culture to a bad end >_>
Few years ago mozzarella cost 5-6 eur at Kg, now is close to 10 eur at kg...
Prices grow up every years and quality go down...

Well, at least a true italian still can do a great dish with a pack of spaghetti, tomato and cheese :)
(Italian cheese price too grew up madly in last years... At least, you can do a delicious dish even with a cheap cheese. The most important thing are tomato quality, but a true italian can see which tomato is better)
 
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"That's life" what thE HELL
Yeah, that's life as far as I am concerned (because I don't live in Italy perhaps).
I wouldn't oppose someone trying to improve that, but it is not my business. Capisci?
Man, I am too lazy to set straight my life, no way I would go around talking big about changing things somewhere else.
 

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Yeah, that's life as far as I am concerned (because I don't live in Italy perhaps).
I wouldn't oppose someone trying to improve that, but it is not my business. Capisci?
Man, I am too lazy to set straight my life, no way I would go around talking big about changing things somewhere else.
Working 12 hour days and getting 500 Euros a month is not "life," it's barely better than slavery. Especially if you live in a country that has a high cost of living
 

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I know, best food in the world.
Italian food culture is great, but italians people NOT, this is the fact. They sold their identity to industries and "progress". Now everybody only looking for money, nothing more.
I hate italians because they vaunt to other countries about Italy greatness and foods, but then allow this culture to a bad end >_>
Few years ago mozzarella cost 5-6 eur at Kg, now is close to 10 eur at kg...
Prices grow up every years and quality go down...

Well, at least a true italian still can do a great dish with a pack of spaghetti, tomato and cheese :)
(Italian cheese price too grew up madly in last years... At least, you can do a delicious dish even with a cheap cheese. The most important thing are tomato quality, but a true italian can see which tomato is better)
Well according to the news paper around 200 belgians bought houses for 1 euro a piece because the mayor wants the town to live up again. So that is cheaper then mozzarella xp
 

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Hey there,
I am slightly pissed again as I just read that here in Germany the "Hartz4" money will be highered again and I really feel like its not worth to Work anymore ... would like to know what you think about it.

Imagine, when you life in Germany and do not work you get :
A flat
a complete inventory for their flat (like kitchen if not already there and a TV and everything nowadays even a computer is included ... at least they pay it if you tell them your kid needs it for school ...)
free Healthcare
A cheap ticket for busses
Lots of places offer cheap second hand clothes (sometimes even free) for jobless that get Hartz4
cheap food (lots of places where jobless people can get a whole lot of food for a symbolic 1€)
400€ cash (if its a familiy both get ~380€ each plus money ~180?€ for each kid)

All of this for doing nothing at all ....

Than look at me, I have to get up at 6am 5 days a week and work 8 hours, what do I get ?
1400€ from which I have to pay 500€ for the flat, remaining 900€
~300€ for food and water remaining about 600€
50€ for Internet still remaining 550€
Than I need proper clothes for work some times ~50€ a month plus a bus ticket or a car or whatever to get to work (well I walk or take the bycicle so for me its okay but most have to pay lots of money for this)

from this I still need to pay any extra in health care and I had to buy my stuff at home from my own money,
had to pay ~4000€ when I moved for my new job (for kitchen and everything)




I have to admit some of the free or cheap offers for jobless are not everywhere but at most places and you would have to go there and use these offers (some people who really want to work and just don't get work might be to ashamed to use these) but if you look at what I have written (and my sallary is not the worst) it is hardly worth going working for 8 hours a day :(
And now they are giving out even more free cash even though its only ~10€ a month it still makes me angry.
One of my "good" friends is such a slacker, he and his wife didn't work for years (he is only 30) and they could have a proper life from all the money even though he was allways like "aww man its not enough money they should give us more" ... than again he never bough at these places that give clothes and food for 1€ as they had enough money for new stuff. Plus allways buying new Computer Games and doing nothing than gaming all day long.

No wonder so many foreigners from Poor Countries want to migrate here :/
Was denken Sie ueber die Fluchtlings? Ich habe eine bisshen Deutsche Radio gehort and dieses Problem war sehr gross.
 

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It's really not, or at least it shouldn't be. It definitely isn't in Germany, which you kind of tastelessly quipped about being on the bad end of the deal because you don't like the coffee
What do you mean it is not unavoidable?
Are you implying Lord M does it because he likes it, he likes to suffer?
Are you implying he could actually easily do something else? That he by himself could change how things work?
I think it is naive to state "it shouldn't be like that so, erm.. so.." so what?, it is! you have to live with it or do whatever is in your power to live better.

And regarding coffee, coffee is serious business for me, I moved to Germany to avoid being worked like a slave, but I still miss coffee and good food (good beef in my case), why do you think that is tasteless?

PS: one could say nice things and give people false hope, or just be straight about it: being worked like a slave in many places in the world is unavoidable, it is out of reach as an individual to change that, so yes "That's life".
 
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