Hacking Why is every major dev of the Switch scene pissed about Xecuter's work?

[Tony_93]

I'm a little sceptical about this but man, I just hope it isn't like Sky3ds where the device itself costs as much (if not more) than the system... I'd still buy one tho since I have a bad habit of spending my money on things I don't use more than once or twice...

 

[Jackson98]

Have to say I'm surprised to see this information so soon. I've maintained from the beginning that the odds of the switch being limited to smhax were incredibly small with the community how big it was. I also specifically mentioned if it wasn't a software alternative it would be a hardware one. Im just surprised about how many people didn't see this coming eventually, that dug their heels in and said HW modding the switch was "impossible" or without smhax your likely doomed. I have to admit though, even I didn't expect talk about this less than a year after the release. If this goes ahead, Im guessing that it will actually have advantages to being on both the earlier firmwares, because if your stuck on a custom firmware you are still bound to the limitations it provides, maybe not games if you have access to kernal hacks, but nintendo still throws in useful utilities with their updates, aswell as general stability improvements.

 

[KevinLSX]

Why are they trying to keep the switch from piracy. Theres no stoping it, someone will come in and eventually start it. Just because xecuter is coming in doesnt mean they got to get pissed about. It was going to happen eventually.

 

[CMDreamer]

All game devs on all platforms are pissed about this kind of "devices"? (not yet known), and that they intend to sell it. So then, profiting from the fact/possibility of piracy of software (their copyrights).

I would be, even more than pissed about it. Even more when there are other kind of "users" that promote and sell "their services" to install those devices on customers consoles, again profiting from the fact/possibility of piracy of software (you know what goes here).

That, directly harm their legal profit from their own work, something no one would be happy for.

 

[OctolingRift]

Man I'm so mad people are able to get games for free and save THOUSANDS of dollars, it's chaos! (sarcasm if you're retarded)

 

[Jackson98]

Why are they trying to keep the switch from piracy. Theres no stoping it, someone will come in and eventually start it. Just because xecuter is coming in doesnt mean they got to get pissed about. It was going to happen eventually.

I don't think piracy on a few switches here and their is a problem, but if piracy becomes widespread on many consoles, it will put off many 3rd party devolopers. If many people can essentually get their games for free that they have put a lot of time and effort into developing, they won't make the games in the first place. Having said that I don't think that while its a paid for hardware service, or a limited firmware option to 1.0/3.0, its going to present much of a problem. Personally I'm very pro emulation, but when it comes to piracy I would prefer it much later on in the switches life. I also find it much more rewarding buying a game, but when your emulating Homebrew, its a service you can't obtain through other methods(VC is limited), and in many cases the games I wan't to play I own, and nintendo definitely make little to no money off the games. You won't for example find another way to play PS1 games off the switch.

 

[KevinLSX]

I don't think piracy on a few switches here and their is a problem, but if piracy becomes widespread on many consoles, it will put off many 3rd party devolopers. If many people can essentually get their games for free that they have put a lot of time and effort into developing, they won't make the games in the first place. Having said that I don't think that while its a paid for hardware service, or a limited firmware option to 1.0/3.0, its going to present much of a problem. Personally I'm very pro emulation, but when it comes to piracy I would prefer it much later on in the switches life. I also find it much more rewarding buying a game, but when your emulating Homebrew, its a service you can't obtain through other methods(VC is limited), and in many cases the games I wan't to play I own, and nintendo definitely make little to no money off the games. You won't for example find another way to play PS1 games off the switch.

As much as I dont want to see piracy this early in the switchs life, as I said it was going to happen. Also going through twitter post, it looks like the popular switch hackers are only mad because now they wont have a big crowd waiting to see what they post next. In other words, this is efecting there egos.
I agree with you on piracy being the death of 3rd party support.
Most likely its going to be modchip so xecuters cfw will still be limited to people that can solder or people with money to pay someone to do it for them.

 

[nikeymikey]

This will be a piracy device. Don't pretend in anyway it isn't only way they can profit. Now I will say, that the Homebrew launcher will probably eventually lead to piracy as well.

Look at the Wii for an example, The Homebrew Channel was launched and didn’t directly enable piracy, but then along came Waninkoko and friends.. and voila, piracy!
All it takes is a willing dev. I am surprised it hasn’t already happened with the PS4 and the recent 4.05 kexploit.

 

[lAkdaOpeKA]

As I already said other times in this forum: 90% people who already buy games for the console are still going to buy games for it even after piracy becomes possible, and people who are striclty waiting for piracy to buy a Switch aren't going to buy games anyway. So devs aren't losing anything.

 

[subcon959]

Man I'm so mad people are able to get games for free and save THOUSANDS of dollars, it's chaos! (sarcasm if you're retarded)

That's nonsense, stealing isn't the same thing as saving money. How many pirates do you think would've actually bought thousands of dollars of games if they hadn't got them for free? Lost revenue is a fallacy and the exact argument the corporations use against us, let's not propagate the notion ourselves.

 

[thomasnet]

We already had that discussion about piracy being bad or not so please just stop, everyone has different opinions so don't spam threads with that.
Mods are likely to close them.

 

[nikeymikey]

We already had that discussion about piracy being bad or not so please just stop, everyone has different opinions so don't spam threads with that.
Mods are likely to close them.

The piracy debate will roll on and on and in forever, it has done since the early days of C64, Spectrum etc when you could copy a game with just a twin tape deck.

 

[ddrrmm]

Always the same group of anti piracy whiners that ruin every thread on here. In case you haven't noticed, none of us here in the HACKING section care about your anti piracy opinions. or concerns.

 

[reminon]

If it's mass produced, people will copy it. It was a matter of time for the Switch, just like everything else.piracy hasn't killed the mobile market, and it won't kill the switch. Thr underlying problem here is that hacks arent monopolized anymore, and it pisses people off. They can hide behind the mask of being ethical, but the truth is they aren't center stage. Dont get me wrong, i have a lot of respect for plutoo and company, they accomplish a lot most of use only dream of, but they have said them selves that xecuter didn't steal their work, and that it's obvious that they have been sitting on this for a while.

 

[KevinLSX]

If it's mass produced, people will copy it. It was a matter of time for the Switch, just like everything else.piracy hasn't killed the mobile market, and it won't kill the switch. Thr underlying problem here is that hacks arent monopolized anymore, and it pisses people off. They can hide behind the mask of being ethical, but the truth is they aren't center stage. Dont get me wrong, i have a lot of respect for plutoo and company, they accomplish a lot most of use only dream of, but they have said them selves that xecuter didn't steal their work, and that it's obvious that they have been sitting on this for a while.

If its a mod chip, chinese clones will become a thing

 

[reminon]

If its a mod chip, chinese clones will become a thing

Agreed, but I was meaning products in general.

 

[Navonod]

At this point we'll have to agree to disagree. Piracy is wrong but Nintendo will still make buttloads of money anyway and people will still use home brew. So in the end everyone will win.

 

[blinkzane]

are we still talking about this?

 

[Jackson98]

Always the same group of anti piracy whiners that ruin every thread on here. In case you haven't noticed, none of us here in the HACKING section care about your anti piracy opinions. or concerns.

I only raised the issue because if enough switches got pirated early on, it would theoretically mean less 3rd party developers making games for the switch, so the whole community would lose out. I definitely didn't mean to tell people how to use or not use their switch. 2018 is meant to be the biggest year of game development for the switch, if in theory a huge percentage of switches had access to piracy, many of those companies that are intending to port a game or bring a new 3rd party release will not do so. Im not saying it will happen or I care if piracy does happen, but widespread piracy this early is not a good thing for anyone.

 

[JoelLouviere]

I gotta say the same, too. Wasn't R4 a massive plague on the DS market when it came out? I mean, it wasn't a modchip but it WAS super easy to use since it was just a flashcart. And 3rd party devs up and left so garbageware came in and filled the void. I DEFINITELY do not want that happening to the Switch. Modchips mean not many people are gonna be using them which is a good thing, but if it does get widespread then it's just going to make things worse for everyone. If we lose out on game devs due to piracy scaring people off, then no one gets good games to even pirate, thus making the whole thing moot. Add in piracy before all the games are on the system and make it easy for people to do and no one will have games in the end.