Fusion GPS testimony released, parts of Trump-Russia dossier confirmed by a Trump campaign source

[Xzi]

Just as a reminder, impeachment takes 2/3s of the Senate. Even if the Dems win the next election, Trump won't get impeached unless Mueller can prove that Trump personally called Putin and asked him to interfere. That is, unless you can find 20+ Republican senators willing to cross party lines for impeachment, but thsts rare for both sides.

Think about it, we can't even get net neutrality passed. Impeachment has no chance.

It's highly likely we'll have to just ride out Trump's term, and most likely the next one as well because most of Trump's voter base hasn't moved.

Trump is gonna keep getting worse. He's almost entirely incoherent by now, within a year he'll be drooling on himself. If Dems control the Senate and Congress after mid-terms, Republicans will be willing to cave for the simple reason that they don't want a lame duck with Alzheimer's embarrassing them for two more years. Not to mention Mueller's indictments are going to be numerous, it's not just the one illegal act of conspiracy with Russia.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

Trump is gonna keep getting worse. He's almost entirely incoherent by now, within a year he'll be drooling on himself. If Dems control the Senate and Congress after mid-terms, Republicans will be willing to cave for the simple reason that they don't want a lame duck with Alzheimer's embarrassing them for two more years. Not to mention Mueller's indictments are going to be numerous, it's not just the one illegal act of conspiracy with Russia.

If Trump actually has demetia, which doesn't seem impossible, it's likely he'll leave office one way or another. But besides that, I think you're overestimating Republican Senators' ability to try to minimize whatever Mueller digs up.

 

[Xzi]

If Trump actually has demetia, which doesn't seem impossible, it's likely he'll leave office one way or another. But besides that, I think you're overestimating Republican Senators' ability to try to minimize whatever Mueller digs up.

I mean, they can try, but everybody knows that international money laundering is an extremely serious charge, and that one is a given with Trump. If we go by the other indictments (Manafort, Gates and etc), Trump has anywhere between seven at fifteen charges that are going to be levied at him, including several counts of obstruction of justice.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

I mean, they can try, but everybody knows that international money laundering is an extremely serious charge, and that one is a given with Trump. If we go by the other indictments (Manafort, Gates and etc), Trump has anywhere between seven at fifteen charges that are going to be levied at him, including several counts of obstruction of justice.

Even if all of that is true, I doubt Senate Republicans will budge. The most we'll get is 5-10 of them voting in favor, and the rest going on Fox to explain why the charges aren't so bad and Obama and Clinton did worse.

I come from a country with a long history of all of what you just mentioned and more. I can tell you first hand how hard it is to get rid of Presidents with so much partisan infighting.

 

[Xzi]

Even if all of that is true, I doubt Senate Republicans will budge. The most we'll get is 5-10 of them voting in favor, and the rest going on Fox to explain why the charges aren't so bad and Obama and Clinton did worse.

I come from a country with a long history of all of what you just mentioned and more. I can tell you first hand how hard it is to get rid of Presidents with so much partisan infighting.

We'll see. I think if mid-terms are a massive win for Dems, the Republicans should realize that every election is gonna go blue until Trump is gone. The party sold its soul to get a rich moron with no political experience elected, but it will be a while yet before they realize what a failed gamble that really was.

 

[MaverickWellington]

Do people actually unironically believe that golden showers tape shit? That was literally just a dumb meme /pol/ did to fuck with buzzfeed.

 

[Xzi]

Do people actually unironically believe that golden showers tape shit? That was literally just a dumb meme /pol/ did to fuck with buzzfeed.

It's originally from the Trump dossier. Though technically it's not a golden shower, he had some hookers piss on a bed that the Obamas had previously slept in. In other words it wasn't sexual, just childish and petty, which is 100% Trump's MO. So yeah, I believe it.

 

[MaverickWellington]

It's originally from the Trump dossier. Though technically it's not a golden shower, he had some hookers piss on a bed that the Obamas had previously slept in. In other words it wasn't sexual, just childish and petty, which is 100% Trump's MO. So yeah, I believe it.

Yeah but from your post history and the nature of your OP it's pretty damn clear you'll believe literally anything that has a negative story about trump.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017...trump-golden-shower-story-entire-russian-hack
For crying out loud the "dossier" has quotes from the Dark Knight Rises, which was literally a huge 4chan meme. It makes references to "hentai," and other nonsense. This is exactly the kind of shit that was created to make gullible idiots get up in arms in a shitstorm about the most menial, stupid things, and to make websites like Buzzfeed look stupid since they ran the story with no verification or vetting.

And you fell for it.

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Wait until I post my bombshell dossier where Trump and I smoke blunts and then he gets arrested for racism. It's totally real guys, a CIA guy verified it!

 

[Xzi]

Yeah but from your post history and the nature of your OP it's pretty damn clear you'll believe literally anything that has a negative story about trump.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017...trump-golden-shower-story-entire-russian-hack
For crying out loud the "dossier" has quotes from the Dark Knight Rises, which was literally a huge 4chan meme. It makes references to "hentai," and other nonsense. This is exactly the kind of shit that was created to make gullible idiots get up in arms in a shitstorm about the most menial, stupid things, and to make websites like Buzzfeed look stupid since they ran the story with no verification or vetting.

And you fell for it.

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Wait until I post my bombshell dossier where Trump and I smoke blunts and then he gets arrested for racism. It's totally real guys, a CIA guy verified it!

I honestly don't know wtf you're talking about. The dossier contains opposition research and various illegal activities committed by the Trump campaign, it's not a 4chan post. Your sources are bad.

Again, the dossier was put together by ex-MI6, and parts have already been confirmed by a source inside the Trump campaign. I don't need to believe in it like it's some religious figure, these things are verifiable.

 

[MaverickWellington]

I honestly don't know wtf you're talking about. The dossier contains opposition research and various illegal activities committed by the Trump campaign, it's not a 4chan post. Your sources are bad.

Again, the dossier was put together by ex-MI6, and parts have already been confirmed by a source inside the Trump campaign. I don't need to believe in it like it's some religious figure, these things are verifiable.

Hilarious that you compare this to a religious figure when you've subscribed to the cult mentality of "everyone who says something bad about trump is right"
You also haven't read the source, as evidenced by your lack of rebuttal and cop-out of "it's just bad!"
Sorry mate but plugging your ears -- while probably your default strategy in arguments -- is not an argument and does not determine the factual nature of something. People can lie about literally anything, idiots who want something to be true will believe it despite clear evidence it isn't. Confirmed by "an anonymous source" is about as meaningful and valuable as "my dad works for Nintendo!"

When you're at the point where you're trusting some ex-intelligence agency guy like his word is infallible because he has "a source" you're basically at the same level as a sheep. Baa baa, mate.

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"It's probably bullshit, but hey, the fact he believes this bullshit means there's probably truth to it!"
Remember parents, don't let your kids do drugs.

 

[Xzi]

Hilarious that you compare this to a religious figure when you've subscribed to the cult mentality of "everyone who says something bad about trump is right"

Well, insults are only really "wrong" based on one's perception. We're not talking about simple insults here, though, we're talking about criminal activity and evidence of such.

You also haven't read the source, as evidenced by your lack of rebuttal and cop-out of "it's just bad!"

On that you're correct. I don't know what zerohedge.com is, but without even clicking on it I know it's not a real source of news or information. Just as likely it's an alt-right source to muddy the waters with.

Sorry mate but plugging your ears -- while probably your default strategy in arguments -- is not an argument and does not determine the factual nature of something. People can lie about literally anything, idiots who want something to be true will believe it despite clear evidence it isn't. Confirmed by "an anonymous source" is about as meaningful and valuable as "my dad works for Nintendo!"

The Trump campaign source is anonymous, but none of the individuals who worked on the dossier are. Considering you're willing to take 4chan at face value, you'd think you'd be willing to listen to what US and British intelligence agencies tell us.

When you're at the point where you're trusting some ex-intelligence agency guy like his word is infallible because he has "a source" you're basically at the same level as a sheep. Baa baa, mate.

Riiight. So 4chan is reliable but no press source or intelligence source is. This is why I'm glad schools are starting to teach journalistic literacy.

 

[Kioku]

What the difference between a Republican and Isis?


Not a damn thing.

Both want to force their religion on you. Both want to kill millions and both want to alter history to fit their world views.

This kind of ignorant retardation is why politics shouldn't be discussed outside a closed area. I'm all for good debate, but if this is the kind of garbage that's allowed to be spoken, there's no point.

It's easy to take everything at face value.. Much like Xzi does every time there's a chance to be anti trump. Clearly nothing has been proven.. As even mentioned by the OP. Speculation is great, no?

 

[MaverickWellington]

On that you're correct. I don't know what zerohedge.com is, but without even clicking on it I know it's not a real source of news or information. Just as likely it's an alt-right source to muddy the waters with.

Riiight. So 4chan is reliable but no press source or intelligence source is. This is why I'm glad I'm glad schools are starting to teach journalistic literacy.

So basically what you're telling me is that it's fine to disregard sources entirely based on nonsensical assumptions, which are based entirely upon the article in question disagreeing with you, and then are inversely insulting me for "taking something at face value" (despite the posts in question predating this ordeal) because I question the authenticity of a "dossier" by an anonymous """"source"""" that says ridiculous nonsense like Trump hired hookers to watch hentai with him, to piss on beds, and to call him a big guy while quoting the Dark Knight Rises, and that when even the liberal-as-fuck sites that spew this nonsense say that the dossier itself is about 70% factual, that must somehow mean anything questioning it is wrong?

Anything that agrees with you is suddenly infallible like it's a fucking religion but the moment an article even dares to question your cult mentality, it's only doing so because it's alt right and "muddying the waters." To me, mate, it sounds like you're obsessed with trump, and are desperate for some weak excuse to shit on the guy. You can find a myriad of things to complain about -- like how the new Tax Reform fucks the middle class, giving Jeff Sessions any sort of authority, and more -- but instead, you focus on a dossier filled with stupid shit, informed by a bunch of NEETs (like yourself probably) and preach it like it's some religious figure's divine word, refusing to hear anything even *questioning it.*

Going on your nonsensical logic, it's perfectly fine to disregard the liberal media sites -- anything owned by Gawker, Buzzfeed, and so on -- because they're muddying the waters in the debate based upon the suggestion Russia hacked the election, even though the most they probably did was get dirt on Hillary, which still didn't work since she still won the popular vote.

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This kind of ignorant retardation is why politics shouldn't be discussed outside a closed area. I'm all for good debate, but if this is the kind of garbage that's allowed to be spoken, there's no point.

It's easy to take everything at face value.. Much like Xzi does every time there's a chance to be anti trump. Clearly nothing has been proven.. As even mentioned by the OP. Speculation is great, no?

Nail on the head. Glad I'm not the only one seeing this. Literally anything anti trump, no matter how inane, or clearly fake as fuck it is, Xzi hops on that shit. Yeesh. Politics really should just be banned here along with everyone who discusses it.

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Also, the intelligence officer is ex-MI6, not currently MI6. I don't know about you but if I didn't represent some intelligence agency and I really disliked a guy, and I knew gullible dipshits would obey my nonsense, I'd totally "leak" stupid shit from my "anonymous sources" just to watch what happens.

 

[Xzi]

It's easy to take everything at face value.. Much like Xzi does every time there's a chance to be anti trump. Clearly nothing has been proven.. As even mentioned by the OP. Speculation is great, no?

Sigh...yeah it's not like the title notes that anything has been confirmed.

You can't let the alt-right be successful in de-legitimizing any source that criticizes Trump just because it hurts their fee fees.

 

[MaverickWellington]

You can't let the alt-right be successful in de-legitimizing any source that criticizes Trump just because it hurts their fee fees.

On that you're correct. I don't know what zerohedge.com is, but without even clicking on it I know it's not a real source of news or information. Just as likely it's an alt-right source to muddy the waters with.

 

[Xzi]

insulting me for "taking something at face value"

I insulted you for taking 4chan at face value, not information sourced and verified by the AP and intelligence sources. Again, journalistic literacy is important, and I hope you eventually acquire some. In the meantime it's really impossible to debate someone who doesn't view facts as factual.

 

[MaverickWellington]

I insulted you for taking 4chan at face value, not information sourced and verified by the AP and intelligence sources. Again, journalistic literacy is important, and I hope you eventually acquire some.

You put the world's most hilarious amount of faith in agencies notorious for putting stupid, fallacious shit out in the wild to delude the masses when they agree with you, and then suddenly they're all lying devils when they don't (see literally anything net neutrality related).

I think it's safe to say your opinion doesn't matter lol

 

[Xzi]

You put the world's most hilarious amount of faith in agencies notorious for putting stupid, fallacious shit out in the wild to delude the masses when they agree with you, and then suddenly they're all lying devils when they don't (see literally anything net neutrality related).

So far you haven't taken any stance that wasn't super defensive when it comes to Trump or the Trump administration. Next you'll be telling me that Puerto Rico is happy they still don't have power. It's really quite pathetic when somebody becomes that blinded to reality just because reality doesn't favor their preferred political figure.

Hell, you've straight up told me you're willing to accept shittier service at a higher price from your ISP just because the Trump FCC says it'll be a good thing. You need to wake the fuck up man, or else just go ahead and get a bumper sticker that says "please tread on me." You deify a man with Alzheimer's that eats McDonald's every day.

 

[Kioku]

All I've really got to say on this mess is that if you can't 100% prove it, don't post it as fact.

 

[Xzi]

All I've really got to say on this mess is that if you can't 100% prove it, don't post it as fact.

I posted almost the exact text of the article title. Do you want me to call Newsweek and have them double verify?

FYI Republicans were trying their best to keep the Fusion GPS testimony from releasing at all. Diane Feinstein (D) released it unilaterally because she believed the people had a right to know.