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The state of American journalism

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That was bad. That was real bad. I wasn't paying a lot of attention in those times, yet I couldn't believe some of the stuff I heard when I was.

This country is in a rough spot. Journalism doesn't help.

Quite the opposite. Journalism fuels the proverbial fire.
 
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The Trayvon Martin case was both upsetting and hilarious. It showed the true colors of a LOT of people.

Then there's the Ferguson case...
I like how they used his pictures of him when he was like 10 or 12, and not his, ahem, up to date photos.
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Funny how you say the media muddies the waters by doing that but you don't mention what the right wing media did, which was the exact same on the opposite end of the spectrum.
Who cares that I didn't mention it? It's part of the problem too but it wasn't part of the example. My point as a whole is that sensationalist media pushing a bias is bad. Who gives a fuck what side of the spectrum the media network is on? If it's pushing bias, it's bad. Full stop.

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Quite the opposite. Journalism fuels the proverbial fire.
Honestly the real solution to all of this is not to fix journalism -- nothing short of crashing every group and building it up from the ground up will do that -- but to encourage people to think for themselves and investigate issues beyond "DA MEDIYUH TOLD ME TO THINK DIS SO I THINK DISS DURRR"
 

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Who cares that I didn't mention it? It's part of the problem too but it wasn't part of the example. My point as a whole is that sensationalist media pushing a bias is bad. Who gives a fuck what side of the spectrum the media network is on? If it's pushing bias, it's bad. Full stop.
The best journalists disclose conflicts of interest and take steps to avoid ethics violations, but the truth of the matter is that everyone has their own biases. Best people can do is report the facts and stop with the filler commentary. Some people still wouldn't be content with that, though, especially when it comes to certain deified political figures.
 
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Who cares that I didn't mention it? It's part of the problem too but it wasn't part of the example. My point as a whole is that sensationalist media pushing a bias is bad. Who gives a fuck what side of the spectrum the media network is on? If it's pushing bias, it's bad. Full stop.

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Honestly the real solution to all of this is not to fix journalism -- nothing short of crashing every group and building it up from the ground up will do that -- but to encourage people to think for themselves and investigate issues beyond "DA MEDIYUH TOLD ME TO THINK DIS SO I THINK DISS DURRR"

There's a subtle irony to this. We are actually taught to believe and fight for what we feel is right. Yet, that's what gets in the way of reason and knowledge. Ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand. I agree though, we need to further enforce this. "Fake news" isn't just some catchy phrase. You have to validate (investigate) the information for yourself and not take it at face value. It's detrimental to progress.
 

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The only thing that's damaging the US image are liberals thinking that they're so hip by destroying public property, stalking people online, sending death threats and protesting violently

I assume you are referring to Antifa, most of whom are anarchists, communist, socialists, or other anti-capitalists. They hate liberals.

over a president that half the population democratically voted for.

Trump Received ~63,000,000 votes out of 235,248,000 voting aged americans(which is less than his opponent so it was not a democratic victory)


You got a problem with the president? Criticize the decisions he takes that you don't agree to. Go to authorized protests. Express your malcontent. Be open for discussion with people that voted for him.

US citizens have the constitutional right to peacefully assemble. The first amendment intentionally excludes government white listing of protest actions. This is a really important part of our constitution that I wish more people understood. There should be no authorization required (though there often is).
What happens instead? People protest violently and illegally.

You are unfairly characterizing all violent as being perpetuated by the left.
I can find videos of right wing people doing this shit too at protests with a much higher degree of damage
The most violent that Milo video gets is people getting signs taken out of there hands. Do you think that is comparable to the dude driving his car through protestors in Charlottesville or the Milo supporter who shot a protestor? or how about the guy who shot 5 people at a BLM protest?

Journalists criticize every single thing of the president.

I agree that the first and the third are silly but do you think reporting that the President of The United States claims that he cheats on his wife by sexually assaulting women is not news worthy?


Bruh this is like 3 people. You can't generalize an entire movement based on 3 people.
Here is a video of someone who goes to protests explaining their opposition to trump. If I get a few more of these will you be concede that the left can explain why they are protesting?

This is hyperbole.
You are also citing a blog post...

yet all the things these people are doing are part of the fascist regime.

Fascism is defined as a form of radical authoritarian nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce

Doxxing is none of these things. It could perhaps be argued that it is related to "forcible suppression of opposition", but that is dependent on the society already strongly objecting to the information that is revealed. In other words, doxxing just lets the society know who someone is. It doesn't directly suppress them.

Further, the link you provided details both the right and the left doxxing their opponents which contradicts your claim that this is a problem with the left.

I recommend you do more research on fascism. Dr. Lawrence Britts Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism is a good place to start.

No wonder why people won't listen to protests when the president actually does something bad. I've been vocal about his stance regarding global warming, but my voice was lost to all the garbage I listed above.

Trump's approval rating is getting lower and lower so perhaps the protesting is working.
 
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I assume you are referring to Antifa, most of whom are anarchists, communist, socialists, or other anti-capitalists. They hate liberals.



Trump Received ~63,000,000 votes (which is less than his opponent so it was not a democratic victory)

US Population is ~323,000,000

He was elected by about 19% of the population.



US citizens have the constitutional right to peacefully assemble. The first amendment intentionally excludes government white listing of protest actions. This is a really important part of our constitution that I wish more people understood. There should be no authorization required (though there often is).


You are unfairly characterizing all violent as being perpetuated by the left.
I can find videos of right wing people doing this shit too at protests with a much higher degree of damage
The most violent that Milo video gets is people getting signs taken out of there hands. Do you think that is comparable to the dude driving his car through protestors in Charlottesville or the Milo supporter who shot a protestor? or how about the guy who shot 5 people at a BLM protest?



I agree that the first and the third are silly but do you think reporting that the President of The United States claims that he cheats on his wife by sexually assaulting women is not news worthy?



Bruh this is like 3 people. You can't generalize an entire movement based on 3 people.
Here is a video of someone who goes to protests explaining their opposition to trump. If I get a few more of these will you be concede that the left can explain why they are protesting?


This is hyperbole.
You are also citing a blog post...



Fascism is defined as a form of radical authoritarian nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce

Doxxing is none of these things. It could perhaps be argued that it is related to "forcible suppression of opposition", but that is dependent on the society already strongly objecting to the information that is revealed. In other words, doxxing just lets the society know who someone is. It doesn't directly suppress them.

Further, the link you provided details both the right and the left doxxing their opponents which contradicts your claim that this is a problem with the left.

I recommend you do more research on fascism. Dr. Lawrence Britts Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism is a good place to start.



Trump's approval rating is getting lower and lower so perhaps the protesting is working.
He lost the popular vote by approximately 3,000,000 votes.

Using the US population as a whole doesn't really count. Considering the actual amount of people who voted? The margin was rather small. I agree with the rest of your post, though.
 
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He lost the popular vote by approximately 3,000,000 votes.

Using the US population as a whole doesn't really count. Considering the actual amount of people who voted? The margin was rather small. I agree with the rest of your post, though.
thanks that was really dumb of me
 
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Trump Received ~63,000,000 votes out of 235,248,000 voting aged americans(which is less than his opponent so it was not a democratic victory)
I should've worded my post better. I meant the population who voted (but really, I don't think anybody who didn't vote should complain about him even if you hated Clinton. There were other people to vote too).



US citizens have the constitutional right to peacefully assemble. The first amendment intentionally excludes government white listing of protest actions. This is a really important part of our constitution that I wish more people understood. There should be no authorization required (though there often is).
The second amendment gives the right to all US citizens to keep and bear arms, doesn't mean it's right. It should be regulated, just like protests. Unauthorized protests can turn out to be very dangerous for both the protesters and the passerby.

You are unfairly characterizing all violent as being perpetuated by the left.
I can find videos of right wing people doing this shit too at protests with a much higher degree of damage
The most violent that Milo video gets is people getting signs taken out of there hands. Do you think that is comparable to the dude driving his car through protestors in Charlottesville or the Milo supporter who shot a protestor? or how about the guy who shot 5 people at a BLM protest?
Now, what am I going to write can be debatable and I will respect your decision to tell me that I'm wrong (just like anything else written here).

If I'm driving a car and I see a group of masked people coming towards me with bats and metal chains and people shouting stuff I can't hear, the first thing I would do is set the reverse gear and get the hell out.
However, if what I'm seeing is really shocking to me, I can understand why someone would just push forward. Especially if they have no idea about an unauthorized protest going on and they (rightfully) assume that their life is in danger. You shouldn't be protesting with your face covered while holding bats and metal chains.

As for the other two, I never claimed non-liberals to be saints. But these seem like isolated cases to me. YouTube is filled with compilations of liberals being aggressive, especially during "protests". Why would you even go to a protest by covering your face?


I agree that the first and the third are silly but do you think reporting that the President of The United States claims that he cheats on his wife by sexually assaulting women is not news worthy?
That was a private conversation, it's not like he tweeted about it. We all say stuff we don't really mean sometimes.

Bruh this is like 3 people. You can't generalize an entire movement based on 3 people.
Here is a video of someone who goes to protests explaining their opposition to trump. If I get a few more of these will you be concede that the left can explain why they are protesting?
Mine was just an example. Also, the person wasn't even in a protest.

This is hyperbole.
You are also citing a blog post...
Again, just an example. Here's another article by The Guardian though.

Fascism is defined as a form of radical authoritarian nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce

Doxxing is none of these things. It could perhaps be argued that it is related to "forcible suppression of opposition", but that is dependent on the society already strongly objecting to the information that is revealed. In other words, doxxing just lets the society know who someone is. It doesn't directly suppress them.

Further, the link you provided details both the right and the left doxxing their opponents which contradicts your claim that this is a problem with the left.

I recommend you do more research on fascism. Dr. Lawrence Britts Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism is a good place to start.
Doxxing can be definitely seen as "do as we say or we will ruin your life" though.

Trump's approval rating is getting lower and lower so perhaps the protesting is working.
Just like Hillary Clinton would've most certainly won the elections. People are just afraid to say that they support Trump.[/QUOTE]
 

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Just like Hillary Clinton would've most certainly won the elections. People are just afraid to say that they support Trump.
If they're afraid to say they support Trump because he's so outside the norms of basic human decency, then perhaps they should listen to that part of themselves and vote for somebody else. That's of course assuming Trump gets to run again after the Mueller indictments come down and/or the mid-term elections go the way other recent elections have. Republicans are retiring in record numbers this year.
 

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If they're afraid to say they support Trump because he's so outside the norms of basic human decency, then perhaps they should listen to that part of themselves and vote for somebody else. That's of course assuming Trump gets to run again after the Mueller indictments come down and/or the mid-term elections go the way other recent elections have. Republicans are retiring in record numbers this year.
They're afraid to get pepper sprayed on the face, most likely.
 

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They're afraid to get pepper sprayed on the face, most likely.
Police tend to do that when any group gets a little too rowdy. As for the neo-nazis butting heads with antifa, let 'em. They're both extremist groups and nobody should be siding with either.
 
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If they're afraid to say they support Trump because he's so outside the norms of basic human decency, then perhaps they should listen to that part of themselves and vote for somebody else. That's of course assuming Trump gets to run again after the Mueller indictments come down and/or the mid-term elections go the way other recent elections have. Republicans are retiring in record numbers this year.
They're not afraid because they are embarrassed, but because they have been informed by media that they may be physically attacked if they vocally support him. That's a pretty big difference. It's like telling someone in Germany at the height of Nazi power "If you're so afraid of criticizing Hitler, then perhaps your criticisms are invalid"

Yes, I invoked the rule.

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Police tend to do that when any group gets a little too rowdy. As for the neo-nazis butting heads with antifa, let 'em. They're both extremist groups and nobody should be siding with either.
The problem with not siding with either is that both groups are at the mentality of "if you're not with us you're against us," forcing you to join or go to the other side for defense. Neo-Nazis had been more or less brushed under the rug during the Obama administration, but came out in full force AFTER Anti-Fa reared it's ugly head. I'd argue they fought back in defense.
 

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They're not afraid because they are embarrassed, but because they have been informed by media that they may be physically attacked if they vocally support him. That's a pretty big difference. It's like telling someone in Germany at the height of Nazi power "If you're so afraid of criticizing Hitler, then perhaps your criticisms are invalid"

Yes, I invoked the rule.
The right has a hard time choosing how they want to portray the left, don't they? Half the time the left-wing are "bleeding-heart SJW nerds," the other half of the time they're a dangerous majority policing the streets to beat the shit out of anyone who professes support of Trump. Regardless, Trump and his feckless crew of Khaki-wearers are the ones in control. You can't be the Empire and Rebellion in one. You can't be the aggressor and still play the victim.
 
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The right has a hard time choosing how they want to portray the left, don't they? Half the time the left-wing are "bleeding-heart SJW nerds," the other half of the time they're a dangerous majority policing the streets to beat the shit out of anyone who professes support of Trump. Regardless, Trump and his feckless crew of Khaki-wearers are the ones in control. You can't be the Empire and Rebellion in one. You can't be the aggressor and still play the victim.
Sure you can. Ever seen a black guy pull the race card because that particular black guy was a criminal and got caught?
 

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Sure you can. Ever seen a black guy pull the race card because that particular black guy was a criminal and got caught?
But it doesn't work in that case, the guy still goes to jail. Thus it shouldn't work for the alt-right. Especially when their directive is more to take away the rights of other people than to extend their own rights.
 

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But it doesn't work in that case, the guy still goes to jail. Thus it shouldn't work for the alt-right. Especially when their directive is more to take away the rights of other people than to extend their own rights.

That's a shallow, and rather unfounded viewpoint. You say Republicans (lol) want to take away rights.. But the Democrats (loosely used) attempted to achieve a relatable outcome with gun control (lol even more) and a few other things. Seriously, I think you should more blame the few people with power instead of a party as a whole.
 

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But it doesn't work in that case, the guy still goes to jail. Thus it shouldn't work for the alt-right. Especially when their directive is more to take away the rights of other people than to extend their own rights.
You genuinely have no idea what the Anti-fa fascists narrative is, do you? How people would get their cars scratched up at universities if they had the wrong bumper sticker, how a fun prank was to imbed a normal trump lawn sign with nails and have that actually get run over, or how even psycologists are being silenced for warning that transgendered people often regret their surgery?
 

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