Review cover Romancing SaGa 2 (Nintendo Switch)
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Product Information:

  • Release Date (NA): December 15, 2017
  • Release Date (EU): December 15, 2017
  • Release Date (JP): December 15, 2017
  • Publisher: Square Enix
  • Developer: Arte Piazza
  • Genres: Role Playing Game
  • Also For: Android, Computer, PlayStation 4, PlayStation Vita, Xbox One

Game Features:

Single player
Local Multiplayer
Online Multiplayer
Co-operative

Review Approach:

Romancing SaGa 2 tells a generational tale of the Avalon, and the seven once-heroes. Each ruler finding a new unlikely cohort of allies, they set out to once again bring peace to the land. The game features a dynamic freeform scenario system, enabling you to take command of a variety of protagonists, each of the imperial line of succession, and experience the history of the nation as it grows and changes around you.
Guess what guys, I'm doing a review of a dating sim game, Romancing SaGa 2! Turns out after a quick search on google, it's... a Japanese exclusive JRPG for the Super Famicom (SNES) published in 1993. This is nothing like what I thought, it sounded like a dating sim game... a dating sim by Square Enix, what was I thinking!?
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Romancing SaGa 2 (RS2)
is an RPG based on a Japan-exclusive Super Famicom game from 1993. Seeing its English debut in the enhanced smartphone release last year, the Switch version builds upon solid foundations for the final experience I came to play. Yes, this is a 20 year old SNES game remastered for Android, and now for the Nintendo Switch; I don't think I've ever heard of a similar process, but this is the first I've heard of the game in general.

Presentation

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Before so much as starting, you're hit with an introduction; essentially a demo lasting five minutes showing the events preceding the game. I question why the second game was localised without the first, but this introduction was an enjoyable way to be brought into the world. Also worth mentioning is the option to play the game as it was imagined in 1993, excluding the modern additions. For those familiar with the original release, this could be a chance to relive their youth without having to dig out their Super Famicom. Another interesting inclusion is a New Game+, most notable for its accessibility from the get-go; unlike many a modern and classic RPG often requiring playing the game to completion beforehand. If you're interested in early stat building, this might be useful to you. What exactly the NG+ offers I'm not certain; I haven't played this before, and I don't plan on a second play through any time soon. It does however offer a reason for those who experienced the original game to jump back into the world seamlessly.

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The story is a simple but interesting concept. Heroes once revered for saving the world from peril have returned, now demonic presences terrorising the citizens of Avalon. As the ruler of this kingdom, it is your duty to find an unlikely cohort of warriors and eliminate this new threat one has-been hero at a time. As events unfold, the kingdom's ruler must pass the torch to the next generation, each successor to the throne tackling a new hero until all seven have fallen.

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The game's main selling point comes from its freeform scenario system—essentially a system in place to give your actions consequences. It gives meaning to your choices, showing a direct influence on how the story progresses. Mix into this equation the standard RPG aspect of luck, and you have a world that feels reactive and alive. With a reasonable selection of classes to pick from, the game features a degree of innovation quite interesting for the time it was originally released in, but should I have expected any less? With Sega's 1990 release Phantasy Star III playing similarly, it isn't difficult to see where the game draws inspiration; and with Chrono Trigger's multiple endings, it isn't difficult to see the games it has inspired. It isn't often we get a game featuring a diverse cast of protagonists telling a single story over several generations; RS2 has clearly tried it, but is it any good?

Graphics

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At a glance, I would call this game an interesting specimen. This version of RS2 has clearly had considerable work put into it, showing off completely redesigned backgrounds, visuals, and special effects. To my dismay, the only part unchanged is the characters—and being 24 years behind the rest of the game definitely sticks out. Even the bosses look the same, the only difference being their shiny new animations in battle. Though dated, the characters are animated well. The motion of walking, to selecting an attack, to actually attacking; it feels fluid and pleasant to see. Small touches like the animation of preparing an attack, or emotions shown by characters, also stood out to me. They remind me of similar effort put into the storytelling of Final Fantasy IV.

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It definitely looks odd to see pixel sprites overlaid on a far more detailed setting; not to mention how sharp they appear. Few games use this style, Square Enix's upcoming Project Octopath Traveler being a prominent example, as well as Pier Solar and the Great Architects—another Genesis game remade for modern consoles. It's an interesting means of preserving the original content, whilst updating it for modern players. It's a style some will, and some won't get on with.

Sound

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This might sound strange, but the music and sounds... are exactly as they were in the 1993 original. Absolutely nothing feels different. For better or worse, it sounds exactly like the old SPC sound system; the same songs, sound effects, all of it. Even with no remixes or new arrangements, it sounds good, and relatively well made. While it does sound good, you may not care much for it without an appreciation for SPC audio due to the simplistic nature of it. There isn't much more to say aside from whether I do or don't like it myself. The option for an updated soundtrack would have been nice to coincide with the remade graphics, but ultimately all I can say is I find it okay. The atmosphere is set properly to the music, and the sound effects are used well.

Gameplay

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Before continuing, I feel it necessary to mention the difficulties I had understanding certain aspects of the game. Despite the game being localised for English audiences, it explains very little of its core content, and fails to provide a manual as you might have seen in its 1993 release. I apologise if I am unable to adequately explain these, but I wasn't able to fully understand every aspect of the game. For an RPG, I feel it really quite bad to not teach the player its core mechanics. I don't feel this was the best way for me to experience the game, however with this release, I was left with little option.

For the most part, RS2 plays like any standard RPG. You traverse a world filled with towns and people to interact with; stores and various locations to find resources; and dungeons with legions of monsters. The game employs a fairly ordinary top-down perspective, and an unexpectedly simplified world map. Traveling from location to location is no longer an affair sullied with random encounters, instead it becomes as easy as saying where you want to go, and suddenly you're there! Great, right? Honestly, the game is relatively short, and removing a focus on traveling and adventure doesn't help it. Before long, you find yourself in the loop of find where you want to go, defeat the evil lurking there, and go somewhere else until all evil is vanquished.

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Battles play out similarly to Final Fantasy IV; you control up to five characters in turn-based combat, a mixture of the speed stat and a bit of luck deciding who hits first. It's also possible to change the formation of the party to give bonus effects as desired, such as higher defense, or certain units being more frequently targeted. Aside from this, it feels relatively straightforward. Each character can equip up to four items, with some items exclusive to certain classes in standard RPG form. These exclusive items are mostly weapons, such as swords, lances, hammers, and bows; as well as expendable healing items. Each character can also equip a selection of armors, including body mail, shields, and accessories. Having up to four items on hand gives you a reasonable degree of choice and variation going into battle, and allows you to adapt as you see fit. Mix into this class-specific skills, magic, and unarmed martial arts, and you have the makings of what could be a fun, albeit largely standard, RPG combat system.

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Usually in an RPG, progression is gauged through gaining EXP and leveling up. This is often done through winning battles but as far as I know, this isn't the case with RS2. To be honest, I failed to find a way to measure your strength. The process of leveling up skills comes down to using them often; and new skills are acquired by using specific weapons, or by being taught as you pass through a kingdom. An interesting aspect of battling is how HP is recovered after each battle, removing the need for excessive trips or burning through items to heal. The same can't be said for SP and MP however, forcing you to think before you lead with your strongest and most draining skills. Tech points were another aspect of the game I struggled to fully grasp, with little explanation of them provided. I came to assume they had some significance to my stats, but again with the game's limited explanation, I'm left with assumptions.

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The Kingdom of Avalon serves as a central point in the game, allowing you to develop new weapons and formation tactics, as well as learn new skills and spells. Aside from that, there's surprisingly little to do. Each time a new monarch comes to power, you'll find yourself in the standard routine of developing weapons, learning new skills, and going on your merry way. With the skills and weapons acquired passed from one generation to the next, this cycle remains meaningful; it allows for a feeling of real progression as you truly continue your predecessors' legacy. While the generational system may not sound particularly impressive by modern standards, this new style of storytelling through decision making was quite interesting at the time—a choose your own adventure game of 1993. It comes as no surprise to me the game was marked as "a hallmark of the million-selling SaGa RPG series" on the store page. That being said, this was a Japan-exclusive Super Famicom game, and those came with instruction booklets to assist with the basic needs of the player.

Difficulties

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An element that struck me as interesting was the LP counter. When a character dies in an RPG, you expect to use a revival item or spell to recover; or perhaps take them to a church or an inn. RS2 is different—it uses the LP counter in a similar way to the lives in Super Mario Bros and once it hits zero, it's game over for that character. They remain dead for the remainder of the game. I've never seen this kind of implementation in an RPG before. Games like Fire Emblem prominently use permanent death to add weight to the player's actions, but this is after one death. Having Mario-like lives ends up feeling awkward. The surviving characters have an impact on the remainder of the story, each offering additional options as a new successor rises to the throne. Ultimately, even if it is story related, it feels awkward and unappealing. Some people might like this, particularly fans of Fire Emblem, but not me.

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Of all the issues I had with RS2, the one I feel must be discussed is difficulty and in particular, the enemies of the game. When visiting locations infested with enemies, you're greeted with visible sprites on the map, in oppose to the more common random encounter system of the time. These monsters stand to pose huge problems to the player, definitely not helped by the poorly thought through number of them. They chase and corner you with little effort, and no way out. You can attempt to flee from the battle, and you might succeed; however this does nothing in helping you truly avoid them, as the sprites remain on the map, still hunting you. It's quite frankly frustrating, and leads to you fighting through swarms of enemies whether you want to or not. To add to this frustration, each generation spawns only one unit capable of escaping from a battle, to give you what little chance you have of a peaceful stroll—the current ruler of the generation. If he falls, it's either victory or game over for your party. This again may not be a huge concern for some, but the poorly thought out flee option really took away from the overall experience for me. Were it to simply remove the enemy from the area upon fleeing, my experience with this aspect of the game could have been very different. To give an idea of how bad it can get, take a look at the screenshot above. I had to pause the game to get a chance to take that.

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Towards the beginning of the game, I found it incredibly easy to lose party members; enemies killing multiple with a single hit. It could have been I didn't know what I was doing, but it felt more difficult than it should have. How could I have known what to do when most of the statuses hadn't been explained? The best, or only, thing to do in this case was to fight until my party was stronger, and buy items to support this growth. Buy items? I suppose now would be a good time to mention you don't actually get money from winning fights, or if you do, I sure don't know how. Remember the New Game+ mentioned earlier? Restarting the game to give your characters a head start soon becomes more appealing as you stumble through the early game. Of course, that is just one option, but I'm sure more would open if you're willing to take the time to figure the game out. Think you're doing alright at the start? Things are only going to get harder with the difficulty increasing after every battle, whether you win or run away. I found this a particularly odd choice having not seen it in most RPG games. Much of the game's difficulty ultimately boils down to a lack of understanding; and with the game telling you so little, it's easy for it to appear difficult. Depending on how much time you're willing to put into learning mechanics, it can either be incredibly simple, or really quite frustrating.

Verdict

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I question whether those expecting a traditional RPG would be satisfied with what RS2 has to offer. Without a manual or proper tutorial, the game feels more like a stress test at times. That's not to say there aren't people who enjoy figuring a game out for themselves, but it isn't for me. As a modern release, I feel this game to be something only a hardcore RPG fan would truly appreciate. While presenting some interesting ideas and storytelling techniques, RS2 is also surprisingly short, with a six hour session being enough to clear the game. Of course, this could be lengthened had you a desire to experience alternate endings, but that wasn't something I really wanted to do.

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Of course, the reason you're reading this is to decide whether the game is worth $20. For this blast from the past? I honestly can't recommend it. Were the game to provide a manual or tutorial to give those who didn't play the original release a chance my opinion may be different, however the inability to understand many of the game's features really is inexcusable to me. If you feel you can work around that, or even prefer games that way, I would say it is worth your time. It definitely shows promise, but only for those truly dedicated and determined.

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Verdict

What We Liked ...
  • Nice sharp graphics
  • Good music
  • Innovative gameplay
  • Great replay value
What We Didn't Like ...
  • Lacking a guide/manual/tutorial of any type
  • Not very helpful information for the player
  • Very odd decisions
  • Annoying and frustrating problems (enemy specifics already mentioned)
5
Gameplay
Again, I haven't much to say about this. You have the option to play with the original contents, or with some interesting balance changes, but for better or worse, you basically have the 1993 game. It has some fairly straightforward elements you can learn through playing, but some of the more obscure parts of the game will simply go unnoticed with the game's lack of proper introduction or explanation.
6
Presentation
Were I to compare this to the original, I could say there are plenty of improvements, but to be honest, these improvements are incredibly minor in nature. The graphics weren't completely reworked, the sound is exactly as it was in the original, and it uses the same storytelling techniques as Final Fantasy IV. It's not all bad, but it didn't do much to reintroduce the game to modern, nor international audiences for potentially the first time.
7
Lasting Appeal
If you enjoy a challenge, you might end up playing this game a lot. With replayability coming from its freeform story progression, it gives you a reason to play again after beating it. If you rise to the challenge, you might just come out with a rich and fulfilling story behind you. Most of my praise towards the game goes to the story; the gameplay is a different beast. Given its lack of modern counterparts, some may be put off. It's not to say it's entirely without merit, but I can see this being the reason some will either love or hate the game.
6
out of 10

Overall

RS2 has some interesting ideas, but ultimately I feel they are poorly explained. For a game newly introduced to international players such as myself, I believe many of the game's problems stem from a lack of understanding. If it had some sort of manual or tutorial, I might not have felt so lost in the game's plethora of interesting and unconventional features. While there is plenty to appreciate, I found it difficult with the lack of consideration put into appealing to first-time players of the franchise. Without taking the time to explain the fundamentals, it ends up falling short.
I am trying to play this because I am a big fan of saga frontier. I am still not sure whether I can like it. other than SF or SF 2, I have never liked saga series.
 
I am trying to play this because I am a big fan of saga frontier. I am still not sure whether I can like it. other than SF or SF 2, I have never liked saga series.
I dunno how appealing The Saga series has been internationally which probably explains why is so scarce. Saga frontier 2 is one I played while tried it out of interest still possess some underwhelming things compared to some other games out at the time. The only selling point of the series is the free form story progression opposed to the linear ones. Other RPG games focused on the gameplay and battle system being well developed like Breath of fire with the dragon forms, and Final fantasy 7 with materia or 8 with junctions or even chrono trigger with it's combination special attacks.
 
yeah the game doesn't spoonfeed you all the information you think you need and requires some interesting thinking to understand - clearly this has no place in the modern market

personally, i think this game is fantastic and a prime example of "they don't make 'em like they used to". i'm still floored how a game that came out 25+ years ago can be this complex. incredible
 
* Fan of the SaGa series here *

Yeah, the system in Romancing SaGa is not something you can pick up (right off the bat)

It has always felt like a trail and error thing.

A more recent game you can compare the system to is "The Last Remnant"

The trick is to avoid grinding/battling the same enemies over and over again.

This is because the game keeps track of how many of a certain type of enemy you have defeated.

So if you run into the dog sprite enemy for the 1,000+ time, but it turns out to be a God-Fire Dragon who hits your party for 400+ damage each turn...that's why.

The other trick, is to "SPARK" (or rather learn) new techniques.

You can randomly (rarely) learn these during random battles...but what you want to do is SPARK them during boss battles.

The thing is...your true goal is not to beat the boss as fast as you can, it is to SPARK as many skills as you can before the battle ends.

Again, the games are a bit of a grind but with this "new game +" option it allows you to re-plan how you want to tackle the game.
 
* Fan of the SaGa series here *

Yeah, the system in Romancing SaGa is not something you can pick up (right off the bat)

It has always felt like a trail and error thing.

A more recent game you can compare the system to is "The Last Remnant"

The trick is to avoid grinding/battling the same enemies over and over again.

This is because the game keeps track of how many of a certain type of enemy you have defeated.

So if you run into the dog sprite enemy for the 1,000+ time, but it turns out to be a God-Fire Dragon who hits your party for 400+ damage each turn...that's why.

The other trick, is to "SPARK" (or rather learn) new techniques.

You can randomly (rarely) learn these during random battles...but what you want to do is SPARK them during boss battles.

The thing is...your true goal is not to beat the boss as fast as you can, it is to SPARK as many skills as you can before the battle ends.

Again, the games are a bit of a grind but with this "new game +" option it allows you to re-plan how you want to tackle the game.
I'm more surprised that there is people who know about this game considering this is a game recently getting a translation outside of japan officially.

yeah the game doesn't spoonfeed you all the information you think you need and requires some interesting thinking to understand - clearly this has no place in the modern market

personally, i think this game is fantastic and a prime example of "they don't make 'em like they used to". i'm still floored how a game that came out 25+ years ago can be this complex. incredible


I can't tell if your being sarcastic with this statement or not. While perhaps is more of a advanced game for many people and able to grasp the game easily, the point I was making isn't that it has to "spoon feed" info, is that people outside of Japan are playing this for the first time (Officially) and that something this big the game should provide any sort of instructional tool just like every other game we buy. The game is marketed and sold with none of that, no instruction tool for the player. Is common that whenever you buy a product, it always has information on how to operate it. I'm sure people who lived in Japan who purchased this game for their Super Famicom had a instruction booklet for included with the game, so why isn't anything like this for the player?

Is not the game is bad, is possible that some people may not be able to fully enjoy it without proper understanding which purchasing this download title fails to provide. Other download games even the most basic and simple of games come with manuals.
 
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Going by this and some previous stuff we have radically different approaches to games, however I find such differences of opinion and approach rather valuable so thanks for the review.
 
I occasionally make games, or more commonly hack them to fix them and not always just for me. Reviews like these get me to consider other things that I might not have immediately considered, or just assumed were things everybody knew about and was happy enough to see or deal with. I would not be surprised to find the dev's intended audience was people that had a NES or SNES or at least a hand me down one when the PS1 came along, and have played enough of those that the devs could assume things. If I am taking an old game and smoothing some of the rough edges or using it as the basis for something then I might never have considered some of the things you decided to bring up, and neither might anybody else that plays the result.

For instance the stuff about the LP counter. To me that seems a basic "wounds" system like many tabletop miniatures games have, and indeed "war wounds" is a popular theme throughout a lot of literature (he survived the battle but will never ride a horse again sort of thing). I don't see it so often in computer games (Might and Magic's unconscious, dead, eradicated system kind of being that, a few others might have a permanent marker/stats debuff of sorts) and can see (now anyway) where it might cause you to raise an eyebrow.

On fleeing then thematically having the thing vanish back on the world map (by the way I hate random encounters and things on map is my preferred basic alternative way of handling such things) does not make much sense but there are other ways like halting everything, shuffling something back. Maybe even simply changing their chase algorithm so they give up easier or don't gain as quickly might also play.

The idea that I might end up in an echo chamber terrifies me, and thus reading things like this which could help me avoid that are nice to have.
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I have many issues with a lot of this guy's ideas, and the central thesis of that video I am finding somewhat at odds with where I am heading in the world (don't want to go too far but generally I am seeking to find, make or alter things such that I, and maybe someone else, has something to play), however as a start of the idea of different approaches I find it useful.
 
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For instance the stuff about the LP counter. To me that seems a basic "wounds" system like many tabletop miniatures games have, and indeed "war wounds" is a popular theme throughout a lot of literature (he survived the battle but will never ride a horse again sort of thing). I don't see it so often in computer games (Might and Magic's unconscious, dead, eradicated system kind of being that, a few others might have a permanent marker/stats debuff of sorts) and can see (now anyway) where it might cause you to raise an eyebrow.

I think it's kind of interesting that you think his is a unique view, I've read a number of western impressions of the game and everyone has said the same thing - the systems are extremely obtuse, even for people familiar with old-school games.

After all, we had fat instruction manuals back then. I bought the first SaGa on the original Gameboy, which had the largest manual I'd seen to date. The back section of it included a small walkthrough on how to complete the first portion of the game. A similar booklet was included for Final Fantasy VII, and, I suspect, every other Squaresoft title in the 90s. This was not unique to the American market either, as Japanese releases often had even more in-depth guides (or at least encouraged players to seek out a licensed 3rd-party guide).

Releasing a classic game with obtuse systems without any sort of documentation is negligent in this era. Western audiences are lucky to have the release at all, but due to the poor nature that this one was handled, I doubt we'll be seeing any more (at least not from the SaGa series).

With regards to the LP system - this is used in all of the SaGa games I'm familiar with, but would have seemed esoteric had it not been my very first RPG. The series has always been known to buck trends, and fits neatly into the niche of deceptively deep Japan-exclusive titles that have popped up for the past 3 decades. What's missing is the culture - hundreds of online guides in mid-90s HTML, legacy videos on niconico, etc.
 
Yeah, it's a bit tricky to get the hang of...but if you are down for the grind it has some nice replay ability.

Try "new game +" and do events in a different order (you can SPARK some rare skills this way)

Also, if you feel like you are losing too many LP (life points)...try to focus on upgrading you Armor (equipment) and play around with the different formations.
 
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Product Information:
  • Release Date (NA): December 15, 2017
  • Release Date (EU): December 15, 2017
  • Release Date (JP): December 15, 2017
  • Publisher: Square Enix
  • Developer: Arte Piazza
  • Genres: Role Playing Game
  • Also For: Android, Computer, PlayStation 4, PlayStation Vita, Xbox One
Game Features:
Single player
Local Multiplayer
Online Multiplayer
Co-operative

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