[Discussion+Poll] How are Trump supporters even a thing?

[urherenow]

Can confirm, using multiple ad hominems makes your case stronger, especially when you provide no evidence to back up your claims.

Youtube videos are a google away. He's clarified that, word for word. On many occasions. What there is no evidence of, is that he's racist. In the slightest.

 

[bi388]

Youtube videos are a google away. He's clarified that, word for word. On many occasions. What there is no evidence of, is that he's racist. In the slightest.

I was referring to when you said

Bernie is a socialist sociopath. Most likely to win? He already endorsed HRC, you blatant moron. You probably voted for Obama too. And you think he's done a good job.

Also you might want to look up what a socialist is (hint: Bernie isnt one)

 

[urherenow]

I was referring to when you said

Also you might want to look up what a socialist is (hint: Bernie isnt one)

In the Bernieverse, there’s a whole lot of nationalism mixed up in the socialism. He is, in fact, leading a national-socialist movement,

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421369/bernie-sanders-national-socialism

 

[bi388]

Nazis were a right wing movement I guess hes a republican now.
http://shoqvalue.com/the-nazis-were-leftists-lie
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Nazis-considered-to-be-right-wing-parties
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

 

[Viri]

openly says on TV he'll "build" a wall to keep out Mexicans

No boarder = no country.

Walls do work, you can ask Israel about how well walls work. He also said to keep out ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, he's not stopping Mexicans from immigrating here legally. He just wants to cut down drug trafficking and cut down on crimes. There is nothing at all wrong with that. We got this huge ass army, we should have some of it patrol our border and keep our own country safe. America first!

Of course a wall won't work well on its own, but it sure is a hell of a lot better than what we have at the moment.

 

[Lacius]

Wow. The OP is wrong on EVERY. SINGLE. POINT. The man isn't well spoken and certainly not PC. That does not make him guilty of ANY of the above.

• He's racist - How, exactly? Funny how he has never been accused of this until running.

• He's misogynistic (proven MULTIPLE times)--- Where and when? I call BS. You're just a sheep who only listens to what the media wants to tell you.

• He's against gay marriage--- so what if he was? He never said he would outlaw it.

• He wants to remove the department of education.--- He wants to give control of education back to the States and out of the federal government's hands. Is that a bad thing? Perhaps you think common core and Mrs. Obama's lunches are the bees knees...

• He's pro-life, which is a very dangerous quality to have as president, especially when you consider the victims of sexual assault and incest, especially children and the sick, who could die trying to finish a pregnancy, and abortion is a much, much, safer option.--- Again, so what? He never said he was going to outlaw abortion. He acknowledged that there are very valid reasons FOR ABORTION. He simply vowed to defund it. NEver should have been federally funded in the first damn place.

• The list goes on! -- the list of why you are one of the many ignorant sheeple goes on and on.

I'm voting for Trump because he is actually the least of all running evils.

I'll let this Washington Post article speak for itself:

The things Trump is doing now — disparaging the “Mexican” judge, disqualifying Muslim judges, calling somebody claiming Native American blood “Pocahontas” and singling out “my African American” — is very much in line with what he has been doing for the past year, and before.

More than six months ago, I began a column by proposing, “Let’s not mince words: Donald Trump is a bigot and a racist.” His bigotry went back decades, to the Central Park jogger case, and came to include: his leadership of the “birther” movement suggesting President Obama was a foreign-born Muslim, his vulgar expressions for women, his talk of Mexico sending rapists into America, his call for mass deportation, his spats with Latino news outlets, his mocking Asian accent, his tacit acceptance of the claim that Muslims are a “problem” in America, his agreement that American Muslims should be forced to register themselves, his call to ban Muslim immigration, his false claim about American Muslims celebrating 9/11, his tweeting of statistics from white supremacists, his condoning of violence against black demonstrators and his mocking of a journalist with a physical disability.

As for your claim that Donald Trump would not actually outlaw abortion, he's not only said that he would, but he thinks women seeking abortions should be criminally punished. To be fair, he's held several different positions (within 24 hours) on whom should actually be punished.

As for your claim that Donald Trump would not actually outlaw same-sex marriage, he has said he would appoint justices to the Supreme Court who would specifically overturn Obergefell v. Hodges.

 

[IAmLeggings]

No boarder = no country.

Walls do work, you can ask Israel about how well walls work. He also said to keep out ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, he's not stopping Mexicans from immigrating here legally. He just wants to cut down drug trafficking and cut down on crimes. There is nothing at all wrong with that. We got this huge ass army, we should have some of it patrol our border and keep our own country safe. America first!

Of course a wall won't work well on its own, but it sure is a hell of a lot better than what we have at the moment.

Israel's wall is not used for immigration security.

 

[Lacius]

No boarder = no country.

Walls do work, you can ask Israel about how well walls work. He also said to keep out ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, he's not stopping Mexicans from immigrating here legally. He just wants to cut down drug trafficking and cut down on crimes. There is nothing at all wrong with that. We got this huge ass army, we should have some of it patrol our border and keep our own country safe. America first!

Of course a wall won't work well on its own, but it sure is a hell of a lot better than what we have at the moment.

I'll let John Oliver explain some of the many reasons why the wall is a silly idea:

 

[Viri]

I'll let John Oliver explain some of the many reasons why the wall is a silly idea:

I can't stand John Oliver and 18 fucking minutes, just no.

 

[brickmii82]

In the age of UAV's, satellite surveillance, keyword/phrase recognizing telecommunications scanning, your solution to stopping ill-willed border crossing is....a wall.

 

[Glyptofane]

Israel's wall is not used for immigration security.

Hungary's security fence is though and has proven quite successful.

 

[Lacius]

I can't stand John Oliver and 18 fucking minutes, just no.

In summary, the cost is ridiculously expensive, Mexico is not paying for it, much of the land where the wall would need to be built isn't owned by the United States federal government, there are environmental regulations that would get in the way, the wall won't actually stop the vast majority of illegal immigration for various reasons, etc.

 

[IAmLeggings]

Hungary's security fence is though and has proven quite successful.

That is true, and we already tried a fence here, different things work for different countries, for different reasons. I'm not against stricter border control, I'm just unsure of the feasibility of a wall.

 

[brickmii82]

That is true, and we already tried a fence here, different things work for different countries, for different reasons. I'm not against stricter border control, I'm just unsure of the feasibility of a wall.

Exactly! I wouldn't be opposed to utilizing the National Guard to work in conjunction with Immigration to monitor border activity. I mean, they are called "National Guard". They're already paid for their service so cost effectiveness would be easily accomplished. A lot more than building a wall.

 

[Xanthe]

This is my opinion on his racism. I don't believe he is racist. I am aware of some of the things he has said about others (Asians, Mexicans, etc.), but it is fairly obvious what he was saying was not meant to come off as intentionally racist. Yes, many of Trumps’s statements seem racist, but it’s just a plain fact that they’re not. Again, a LOT of the things he says sounds racist (unintentionally), but the things he says that sound racist, really aren't.

For example: “I have a great relationship with the blacks. I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks,”
That does sound pretty racist right? Well, not intentionally. Yes, he could have substituted "blacks" for "African Americans" or "Africans" or "Dark-skinned", but even if he did people would still harsh on him for it! Would could he say without sounding racist? There are not many terms out there for black people that don't sound racist. In reality, our society made these words sound derogatory and not Trump himself. Again, it's the people wanting to believe he's racist just for the sake of it.

Another example: "I am the least racist person there is"
The media love to use this quote and I'm not sure why. Who is he being racist towards? Whom would it be in the picture? There is not other way to say "I'm not racist", correct? It's the media trying to make it sound racist. If you're asked, "Are you racist?", you may respond the same way he did. Put yourself in his shoes.

Some people say: Oh, what about the Mexicans and Muslims entering the U.S? Is that not racist?
Well, no. It isn't.

• Illegal immigrants is not a race; and the term "Mexico" is not a race
• Muslim is not a race but rather a religion. The correct term would be Islamic

He doesn't want Muslims entering the U.S. Why? Because of terrorist attacks! One of the being today, in fact! Do we want that in the U.S? Of course not! He's not saying that he wants the Muslims to be temporarily banned from entering the U.S for no reason! He is concerned about the safety of our country, but people seem to want to focus on ruining his campaign.

I have never heard him say anything (and I watch all of his debates, speeches, etc.) about Mexicans other than the fact that a lot of them are in the U.S illegally. "I'm going to make the Mexicans build the wall" So, is that racist because he is saying that they work a lot? They work a lot in construction? No, he's saying he won't pay for the wall. Yes, the is completely idiotic and a stupid thing to say, but it's not racist. It's honestly one of the stupidest things that has come out of his mouth because it's not likely they're paying for a wall he wants put up.

If you look very carefully at what he says then racist is not an accurate word. Racism is hatred towards someone based on their race. Trump wants legal Mexican immigrants to come in and illegal Mexican immigrants to leave. He believes that they are causing a loss in jobs (which is true) and possible increase in crime. He's not against Mexicans at all

He does not hate against the dark-skinned, however what he says makes him come off like he does.

That is my opinion.

 

[Greymane]

(shenanigans) Not even a minigun with uranium shells is this loaded, i meaning the entire discussion btw (shenanigans)

 

[tatripp]

You are a fool. Trump is clearly annoying and will not be a good president. He has changed his mind on every position he has ever taken. He once supported Hillary Clinton. He will say whatever he needs to get votes. I will address some of your main points.

1) He is racist: Where is the evidence? Please use his words to demonstrate this. He said that Mexican illegal immigrants are rapists and criminals. This is true. He never said that all of them are criminals, but illegal immigrants are criminals by definition. Sure, many are coming over to try to help their families, but many are not. Illegal immigration is a huge problem in California which is where I live.
2) The Wall: You're completely on point with this. It's stupid. Mexico won't pay for it. He should be called out on it more.
3) Misogynistic- His statements against Rosie O'Donnell were true and hilarious, but his statements against Megyn Kelly were below the belt. Just because he criticizes women in disgusting ways does not mean that he is misogynistic.
4) The department of education sucks. They are going to create another recession like the housing crisis due to all of the stupid loans that they are giving to 18 year old students who are never going to have the ability to pay back. Despite this, he can't just close down the department of education.
5) Being pro-life is a great quality. Trump claims that he is pro-life, but who knows what he really stands for. Here is an example of what he said in 1999:
With abortion there are either two possibilities: The fetus is a person or it is not a person. If it is a person, it is immoral to have abortions because it is murder. Parents don't have "choice" to murder their kids. If it is not a person, it is important to determine when it becomes a person? How can you potentially allow abortion if you don't know at which point the fetus becomes a person?
Anyways, the point to take here is that no one has any idea what Trump really believes.
6) Global Warming- It may or may not be man-made. I don't know. I'm not a scientist in that area. There have been other environmental hoaxes or exaggerations before (i.e. the hole in the ozone layer). If it is man-made we can stop all of our output (the US), and it will hardly make an impact. China doesn't care about global warming and they produce so much more emissions than we do.
7) A lot of people don't like Donald Trump, but they prefer him over Hillary. Hillary lies as much or more than trump and she is at least as corrupt as he is. I think she is far more dangerous than Trump.
8) Bottom line: Hate trump, but hate him for the right reasons. Don't give me all of this crap about how he is so pro-life even though he used to say that he is pro-choice. Don't give me the crap that he is racist when you don't even know what he ACTUALLY said. Hate trump because no one really knows what he stands for. Hate trump for stupid policies that don't make any sense (like the wall). Hate trump because he spoke to the Christian school how the Bible was his favorite book even though he didn't even know that "2 Corinthians" is generally pronounced "Second Corinthians."
9) Everyone I have seen who actually believes in Trump reminds me of these people from South Park:

 

[cots]

Having a child "live for you" isn't good. The child will probably live a horrible life considering they will start it out without a family and they will probably carry that burden of never knowing their parents for the rest of their life. That alone could be a source of serious depression, or even worse. Besides, the golden rule of abortion; If it's not your body, it's not your god damn choice. And preventing people from doing what they want with their own body sounds awfully cruel doesn't it?

All I see are excuses to commit murder.

 

[urherenow]

I'll let this Washington Post article speak for itself:

As for your claim that Donald Trump would not actually outlaw abortion, he's not only said that he would, but he thinks women seeking abortions should be criminally punished. To be fair, he's held several different positions (within 24 hours) on whom should actually be punished.

Again, you're trying to take advantage of some dumbshit thing he said, and glossing over the fact that he corrected himself. Try reading/listening to the whole damn thing instead of reading biased crap. That instance ENDED this way:

"
Mr. Trump recanted his remarks, essentially in full, a rare and remarkable shift for a candidate who proudly extols his unwillingness to apologize or bow to “political correctness.”

If abortion were disallowed, he said in a statement, “the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman.”
"

and this is "IF abortion were disallowed". Nothing like this will happen without the approval of congress in the first place. His stance on fixing jobs, economy, and imigration are spot on. Most other arguments people are having are in the wrong damn place. You need to to vote for better Senators and representatives.

 

[Glyptofane]

That is true, and we already tried a fence here, different things work for different countries, for different reasons. I'm not against stricter border control, I'm just unsure of the feasibility of a wall.

It really may not be feasible considering how large the US border with Mexico is. It would need to be over 6x the length of Hungary's fence or about 4x the length of Israel's final proposed wall which is estimated at around $2.1 billion, so we could say maybe roughly $8 billion for Trump's wall.