Fusion GPS testimony released, parts of Trump-Russia dossier confirmed by a Trump campaign source

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  1. chrisrlink

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    I have to agree with you on 4 chan it's the toilet of the internet durring the UM leak i saw "things" that made me want to gouge my eyes out with a saraded knife
     
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    Who said I was defending it? I said it's to be expected and your expectations are unrealistic. Again, jumping to conclusions and assuming anyone who disagrees only does so because they're the polar opposite of you politically.
     
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    My expectations are far from unrealistic. Literally all Trump had to do was deploy the Naval medical ship immediately, followed up with some effort from other organizations (Red Cross, etc). It took over a week for any major help to arrive, and that's not acceptable for a third-world country, let alone the US. If those casualties were inevitable, over a thousand people would've died in Texas, too. The casualties in PR were almost all from starvation or dehydration. Entirely preventable.
     
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    Which is why Secretary Clinton got the DNC nomination rather than Senator Sanders.
     
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    Well, Sanders was raking in a ton of money too, pretty much the biggest grassroots campaign in ever. The DNC obviously did favor Clinton, though, and a lot of Southern states were stupid enough to believe she'd match up better against Trump than Sanders.

    You have to have a ton of money to even consider running now, and that's a big problem. Yes, the US has a left-wing, but even they're slaves to the almighty dollar if they want to win. Which is why I say we've moved to the right as a country.
     
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    Thanks for confirming you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
    https://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline-90ec8a71fb99/
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/03/hurricanekatrina.usa1
    Relief efforts can go wrong and have gone wrong. They're not some idealist, superhero bullshit. They're run by real people who make mistakes, and may not be staffed, funded, or supplied enough to be as effective as necessary. Relief efforts *mitigate* damages. They do not reverse them.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina_disaster_relief
    It took five days for anything major like a boat to be shipped out there. Could more have been done? Sure. But to bitch about stuff taking 7 days when Katrina took 5 for anything besides evacuations to happen is just immature, especially considering the US would be way more organized in it's own country than in other ones.

    Furthermore, when I said "casualties are inevitable," that does not mean "more people should die because of this" and how you came to such a ridiculous conclusion is beyond me. Shut your computer off, learn how to argue, and then come back.
     
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    Let’s just not make the mistake of underestimating the opponents in these next election cycles. Please refrain from insults and let’s have a dialogue about concerns on both sides and find a middle ground. While this political drama is great for entertainment, it typically leads to uprisings and civil wars. Frankly at this point, I’m afraid due to less and less tolerance being shown on both sides for the opposing viewpoints.
     
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    From the article: "Second, people who work in the Trump administration have wildly divergent views about their boss. Some think he is a deranged child, as Michael Wolff reported. But some think he is merely a distraction they can work around. Some think he is strange, but not impossible. Some genuinely admire Trump. Many filter out his crazy stuff and pretend it doesn’t exist."

    In other words, these people know he's nuts, they just play make-believe all day. Dangerous times we're living in when a madman is tweeting about his nuclear button and half his administration just ignores his lunacy until it's too late.

    I never questioned that. I pointed out that nearly all those deaths were preventable, they only had to get those people food and water. Or just transport them out of the territory temporarily.

    If the Trump administration believed they did nothing wrong, they'd publish the true number of deaths. Clearly even they know they fucked up bad on Puerto Rico. The one bit of minuscule good news is that many Puerto Ricans are now scattered among various US states, and they have the right to vote.
     
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    Just to clarify my position, you can't impeach a president cuz you don't like him. Impeachment is serious business, and to be honest trump hasn't done anything that we frankly didn't expect him to do. Other presidents have committed similar "impeachment" offenses and gotten away with it.
     
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    Katrina is a bad example. You have a point about people making mistakes, but engineers told local officials repeatedly that those levies would break. Then corruption showed immensely in the relief effort with money being pocketed by said officials and “buddies” getting the rebuilding contracts rather than folks who could efficiently do the job.
     
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    You're wrong. Trump hasn't even separated himself from his business interests, which every other president in history did. There's nothing typical about Trump compared to past presidents. Past presidents didn't use Twitter and come into office with zero political or governing experience.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of that, but until Congress makes that a law we can't fire him for it. At least now maybe they will at some point.
     
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    Corruption played a part in it, yes, but there's other things to note than just that. Specifically in understaffing and undersupplying.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...effort-texas-leaders-residents-say/839619001/
    The same shit happened in harvey, people were critical of the red cross for -- surprise surprise -- the same reasons. Slow response, and disorganization. As I've said, relief efforts are not these amazing, flawless saving graces that moron idealists hold them up to be. I agree that there should be a stronger effort to organize them for when shit actually gets bad, but to label them (or the government) as incompetent for issues out of their control is just dishonest.
     
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    Woah. There's a lot of very strong political arguments here.... I'm going to head back to the gaming section
     
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    Thank goodness too, if we had a president like Bernie Sanders the fallout would be awful.
     
  18. ThisIsDaAccount

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    Same here
     
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    That’s definitely a better example. Katrina was a hobo in a dumpster fire shitshow. Harvey turned out somewhat ok despite relief critiques. Ask @Chary
     
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    What are you smoking? Sanders has experience, unlike Trump. He'd actually know how stay out of the spotlight to govern, whereas Trump is just an attention whore who gets nothing done except cutting relief to the middle/lower class.
     
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