Gaming Minecraft

[Duo8]

Speaking of SEUS, did the author ever release an update that didn't make the water look like it was wobbly air?

It would be nice if the water was actually a bit transparent.

 

[Rydian]

Well, this is shader support, and dinnerbone said it can be used for all sorts of stuff once the spec is finished. What's in there now are just a bunch of example shaders (some of them seem pretty stock too), just to show it can be done.

 

[Forstride]

Well, this is shader support, and dinnerbone said it can be used for all sorts of stuff once the spec is finished. What's in there now are just a bunch of example shaders (some of them seem pretty stock too), just to show it can be done.

Actually, from what I've heard, it's just a tech demo to see if they could do it, and won't be an actual feature.

The "Super Secret Settings" menu is supposedly a mail/friends list type thing from what people have said. IIRC, someone decompiled the first 1.7 snapshot, and the button was referred to as "mail" or something like that.

 

[Rydian]

Actually, from what I've heard, it's just a tech demo to see if they could do it, and won't be an actual feature.

https://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/1307761-opengl-2-1-support
And Sethbling mentioned in his video on the snapshot that Dinnerbone said (on skype) that shader stuff will be used in gameplay at certain times or something like that.



(Obviously not the stock example shaders, but shader stuff in general.)

The "Super Secret Settings" menu is supposedly a mail/friends list type thing from what people have said. IIRC, someone decompiled the first 1.7 snapshot, and the button was referred to as "mail" or something like that.

Yeah Dinnerbone said it was community-oriented, but while the button is a placeholder it might as well be used to activate test features (as most of the shaders are obviously stock examples).

And Dinnerbone said on his twitter that stuff like the GLSL shaders mod will be doable later, which shows that the ability to use shaders at all, at least, will still exist.
https://twitter.com/ShuraShpilkin/status/380773298457432064

And I also heard somewhere that they will be doable in resource packs, but don't have a source link for that tidbit ATM.

 

[Duo8]

What Minecraft needs now is better mod support.

 

[Rydian]

What Minecraft needs now is better mod support.

Yeah. Modding API. It's coming. That's why resource packs can include sounds now (and will be including other things later like maybe their own shaders), in the snapshots you can mix and match resource packs too (and it applies any files found in order), and item IDs are going away (like in the snapshot I'm already summoning entities by name instead of ID and I type "minecraft:lapis_block" when referencing it instead of an ID).

Seriously people, shit's happening. Dinnerbone, the lead dev on Minecraft, is the guy that MADE Bukkit. He knows what he's doing and is having to rewrite a lot of vanilla to make easy mod management possible. In addition, if you want to track progress, go to the modding API tracker.
https://mojang.atlassian.net/issues/?jql=project = MCAPI

Also inb4 any "well we can mod like we do now already..." The current modding system is bullshit. Having to wait for a team of people to deobfuscate code for people to start making their own files that are just edits of the deobfuscated class files and then not being able to use two mods that edit the same file without a third-party API that edits like 100 different classes...

What minecraft has right now are not "mods", they're "hacks". I mean you even need to remove the signature verification to run modded! XD Seriously. It works, but it's really shitty and breaks all the time.

 

[Forstride]

Considering the modding API has been "coming" for months now, it isn't going to be here any time soon, if at all. The community has widely accepted Forge as the go-to modding API, including the Minecraft devs (Grum and Dinnerbone are both ForgeCraft members, which is a private testing-bed server for well known mod developers, including myself), so there's less and less of a reason to create an official API.

Also, Dinnerbone isn't working on the modding API. It's mainly EvilSeph AFAIK. There have been a lot of changes to certain features to make them more modder friendly, like the whole asset overhaul, but it's still not a modding API.

As for your other complains like having to wait, it takes maybe a day before there's a Forge release for the latest stable Minecraft release. The Minecraft devs sort of coordinate things with the MCP/Forge devs, like having pre-releases to allow them to update MCP/Forge before the Minecraft update becomes official.

Also, item IDs aren't going away. The "minecraft:blockname" thing is just a name referenced when blocks are defined. I'm not sure if the name is also referenced in other code like world gen and whatnot, but IDs are still there.

 

[Rydian]

I never said it's here already, but it's hell of a lot further along than a single twitter post of the original idea by a dev like a year ago, and it's coming.

If Forge was going to be integrated, it would have been integrated. But it's not, yet something is coming, so that something is not Forge.

 

[Rydian]

Also, item IDs aren't going away. The "minecraft:blockname" thing is just a name referenced when blocks are defined. I'm not sure if the name is also referenced in other code like world gen and whatnot, but IDs are still there.

I jumped the gun on posting without a quote and missed this, whoops.

The whole "minecraft:" label/namespace was a clear identifier that there would be other groups of blocks that were not vanilla (as the minecraft branding already indicates vanilla as the client branding is used in crash logs to help determine if the client was modded or not).

And then this.
https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/379741985441333248

 

[Rydian]

https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/383683181012348928
https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/383726067447771136

Just a bit more confirmation on how item "IDs" are going to work in the future, especially regarding mods.

 

[Joe88]

what server do people play on these days?
it seems everytime I join a server and get myself all set up (house, ect...) it goes belly up within a month

southpark is also gonna do an ep on minecraft
http://www.polygon.com/2013/9/30/4788016/south-park-attempts-to-teach-minecraft-to-adults

 

[Rydian]

I browse the forums to see which vanilla servers seem to be run by adults and jump on those for a while.

Anyways, the latest snapshot is showing the fruits of re-writing Minecraft's renderer. Now translucent textures actually work right (as in, you can see water through them and see them through themselves).
https://mojang.com/2013/10/minecraft-snapshot-13w41a/

The textures themselves are ew, but hey, it's something we didn't have before.

 

[Chikaku-chan]

"If you wish to submit details of your own server or community, you may do so here."

Not my server but a community I joined!

It is a role play server known as Lord of the Craft!

I suggest highly to go check them out!

www.lordofthecraft.net

 

[Rydian]

The stained glass textures were redone and are way less ass now, yay!

But also the bug where water wouldn't show behind ice if it's right next to it was re-added... on purpose, because people actively requested it. Apparently people took advantage of that for "fish tanks" a lot and when it was fixed in the last snapshot there were a lot of complaints.

Video link because I'm too lazy to make screenshots myself.

 

[Rydian]

https://mojang.com/2013/10/minecraft-1-7-the-update-that-changed-the-world/
1.7 pre-release and release info, confirming that lots of the changes made were for the upcoming modding API, for name changes, resource pack sound adding, shader support, etc.

Also the new trees and new biomes and new flowers and new mechanics and junk.

 

[Zeliga]

Im still waiting to get minecraft prepaid cards here in europe >_< Hurry up mojang!

 

[Rydian]

Im still waiting to get minecraft prepaid cards here in europe >_< Hurry up mojang!

You want to buy the game legit and can't do the online payment thing? Could you get somebody else to buy you a gift code and you send them the money some other way?

 

[Duo8]

NEW TEXTUREPACK!!!

 

[TyBlood13]

I'm enjoying the 1.7 updates but twitch integration is broken for me.

Also, DreamCraft (Which I'm now a mod on!), as mentioned and the first post, is making a comeback when there is a bukkit update for 1.7! Would love to see more 'Tempers join us!

EDIT: Were up! Visit DreamCraft.org for details!

 

[TyBlood13]

Can anybody help me figure out why I can't load my (Massively) modded MC?
[spolier=Crash Report]

---- Minecraft Crash Report ----
// I let you down. Sorry :(
 
Time: 2/16/14 5:02 PM
Description: There was a severe problem during mod loading that has caused the game to fail
 
cpw.mods.fml.common.LoaderException: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: modid.imsm.core.IMSM
        at cpw.mods.fml.common.LoadController.transition(LoadController.java:156)
        at cpw.mods.fml.common.Loader.loadMods(Loader.java:521)
        at cpw.mods.fml.client.FMLClientHandler.beginMinecraftLoading(FMLClientHandler.java:183)
        at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.func_71384_a(Minecraft.java:473)
        at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.func_99999_d(Minecraft.java:808)
        at net.minecraft.client.main.Main.main(SourceFile:101)
        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.Launch.launch(Launch.java:131)
        at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.Launch.main(Launch.java:27)
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: modid.imsm.core.IMSM
        at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.LaunchClassLoader.findClass(LaunchClassLoader.java:186)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
        at cpw.mods.fml.common.ModClassLoader.loadClass(ModClassLoader.java:61)
        at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
        at java.lang.Class.forName(Unknown Source)
        at cpw.mods.fml.common.FMLModContainer.constructMod(FMLModContainer.java:462)
        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at com.google.common.eventbus.EventHandler.handleEvent(EventHandler.java:74)
        at com.google.common.eventbus.SynchronizedEventHandler.handleEvent(SynchronizedEventHandler.java:45)
        at com.google.common.eventbus.EventBus.dispatch(EventBus.java:313)
        at com.google.common.eventbus.EventBus.dispatchQueuedEvents(EventBus.java:296)
        at com.google.common.eventbus.EventBus.post(EventBus.java:267)
        at cpw.mods.fml.common.LoadController.sendEventToModContainer(LoadController.java:201)
        at cpw.mods.fml.common.LoadController.propogateStateMessage(LoadController.java:181)
        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
        at com.google.common.eventbus.EventHandler.handleEvent(EventHandler.java:74)
        at com.google.common.eventbus.SynchronizedEventHandler.handleEvent(SynchronizedEventHandler.java:45)
        at com.google.common.eventbus.EventBus.dispatch(EventBus.java:313)
        at com.google.common.eventbus.EventBus.dispatchQueuedEvents(EventBus.java:296)
        at com.google.common.eventbus.EventBus.post(EventBus.java:267)
        at cpw.mods.fml.common.LoadController.distributeStateMessage(LoadController.java:112)
        at cpw.mods.fml.common.Loader.loadMods(Loader.java:511)
        ... 10 more
Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException
        at org.objectweb.asm.ClassReader.<init>(Unknown Source)
        at codechicken.lib.asm.ASMHelper.createClassNode(ASMHelper.java:113)
        at codechicken.lib.asm.ASMHelper.createClassNode(ASMHelper.java:107)
        at codechicken.core.asm.DefaultImplementationTransformer.transform(DefaultImplementationTransformer.java:84)
        at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.LaunchClassLoader.runTransformers(LaunchClassLoader.java:274)
        at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.LaunchClassLoader.findClass(LaunchClassLoader.java:172)
        ... 38 more
 
 
A detailed walkthrough of the error, its code path and all known details is as follows:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
-- System Details --
Details:
        Minecraft Version: 1.6.4
        Operating System: Windows 7 (x86) version 6.1
        Java Version: 1.7.0_51, Oracle Corporation
        Java VM Version: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (mixed mode, sharing), Oracle Corporation
        Memory: 70458544 bytes (67 MB) / 209739776 bytes (200 MB) up to 518979584 bytes (494 MB)
        Mod Pack: ~~ERROR~~ NullPointerException: null
        LiteLoader Mods: ~~ERROR~~ NullPointerException: null
        JVM Flags: 2 total; -XX:HeapDumpPath=MojangTricksIntelDriversForPerformance_javaw.exe_minecraft.exe.heapdump -Xmx512M
        AABB Pool Size: 0 (0 bytes; 0 MB) allocated, 0 (0 bytes; 0 MB) used
        Suspicious classes: FML and Forge are installed
        IntCache: cache: 0, tcache: 0, allocated: 0, tallocated: 0
        FML: MCP v8.11 FML v6.4.49.965 Minecraft Forge 9.11.1.965 Optifine OptiFine_1.6.4_HD_C8 54 mods loaded, 54 mods active
        mcp{8.09} [Minecraft Coder Pack] (minecraft.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        FML{6.4.49.965} [Forge Mod Loader] (minecraftforge-9.11.1.965.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        Forge{9.11.1.965} [Minecraft Forge] (minecraftforge-9.11.1.965.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        CodeChickenCore{0.9.0.7} [CodeChicken Core] (minecraft.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        LomLibCore{1.1.0} [LomLib:Core] (minecraft.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        Micdoodlecore{} [Micdoodle8 Core] (minecraft.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        NotEnoughItems{1.6.1.8} [Not Enough Items] (NotEnoughItems 1.6.1.8.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        SPCForge{5.2} [SPC Forge] (minecraft.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        bspkrsCore{v5.3(1.6.4)} [bspkrsCore] ([1.6.4]bspkrsCorev5.3.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        FloatingRuins{Forge 1.6.4.r02} [FloatingRuins] ([1.6.4]FloatingRuins.Forge.1.6.4.r02.Universal.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        IMSM{100.0.2} [IMSM] ([1.6.4]InstantMassiveStructuresMod.zip) Unloaded->Errored
        mod_*{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        ModBlocks{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        ModConfig{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        CreativeTabs.modid{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        ModCrops{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        ModDNA{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        ModFood{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        ModFruits{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        ModFuels{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        modGuiDnaExtractor{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        modGuiDnaFabricator{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        modGuiDnaMaker{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        modGuiElementExtractor{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        modGuiFryer{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        modGuiPotionMaker{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        modGuiSeedExtractor{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        modGuiSqueezer{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        MobMammoth.modid{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        MobMammothZombie.modid{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        MobScorpion.modid{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        MobWhale.modid{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        ModRendering{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        ModTools{Alpha} [Agent's Mod] (AgentsAgriculture_1.3.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        basicgunsmod{2.1.0} [BasicGunsMod] (BasicGunsMod 1.6.4 v1.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        BiomesOPlenty{1.2.1} [Biomes O' Plenty] (BiomesOPlenty-universal-1.6.4-1.2.1.416.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        CarpentersBlocks{v2.0.2} [Carpenter's Blocks] (Carpenter's Blocks v2.0.2 - MC 1.6+.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        CraftableChain{1.0} [CraftableChain] (CraftableChain-MC1.6-1.0.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        CraftableHorseArmor{1.0} [CraftableHorseArmor] (CraftableHorseArmor-MC1.6-1.0.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        CrossbowMod2{a0.1.6} [Crossbow Mod 2] (Crossbow-Mod-2-1.6.4-a0.1.6.33.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        ElementalCreepers{4.0.1} [Elemental Creepers] (Elemental_Creepers-universal-4.0.1.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        eplus{1.16.5b} [Enchanting Plus] (Enchanting-Plus-Mod-1.6.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        FlansMod{4.1} [Flans Mod] (FlansMod-4.1.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        GalacticraftCore{2.0.8} [Galacticraft Core] (Galacticraft-1.6.4-2.0.8.908.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        GalacticraftMars{2.0.8} [Galacticraft Mars] (Galacticraft-Planets-1.6.4-2.0.8.908.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        MoreEnchants{1.2.5} [MoreEnchants] (MoreEnchants-MC1.6-1.2.5.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        netherrocks{1.6.4} [Netherrocks] (Netherrocks-Mod-1.6.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        ObsidianBoat{v1.2} [Obsidian Boat] (Obsidian_Boat_V1.2.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        OreSpawn{164.13} [OreSpawn] (orespawn164v13.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        iChunUtil{2.4.0} [iChunUtil] (util^iChunUtil2.4.0.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        PortalGun{2.0.2} [PortalGun] (PortalGun2.0.2.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        SGCraft{0.7.3} [SG Craft] (SGCraft-0.7.3-mc1.6.4.jar) Unloaded->Constructed
        shipwreck_winslow{1.6.1} [Shipwrecks!] (Shipwrecks_v1.6.1_1.6.4.zip) Unloaded->Constructed
        YAFM{1.0.0} [Yet Another Food Mod] (Yet_Another_Food_Mod_1.0.jar) Unloaded->Constructed

[/spoiler]