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Try to keep in on topic, read the first post if you need to, and dispense with the blustering my dad can beat up your dad bullshit please. Otherwise, lock.
There is no "topic" mthrnite - the OP misinterpreted the source article by *not reading it*, he wants the politician in question arrested for, as he calls it, "brandishing a weapon againts the president" wheras in fact, he was merely showing his personal firearm to accompany his paragraph about the appreciation of the 2nd Amendment in his area. In other words, there's nothing to speak of - no research whatsoever went into the creation of this thread. LightyKD noticed a catchy headline and BAM! Thread.

No offense, LightyKD - that's just my opinion.
 

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Try to keep in on topic, read the first post if you need to, and dispense with the blustering my dad can beat up your dad bullshit please. Otherwise, lock.
There is no "topic" mthrnite - the OP misinterpreted the source article by *not reading it*, he wants the politician in question arrested for, as he calls it, "brandishing a weapon againts the president" wheras in fact, he was merely showing his personal firearm to accompany his paragraph about the appreciation of the 2nd Amendment in his area. In other words, there's nothing to speak of - no research whatsoever went into the creation of this thread. LightyKD noticed a catchy headline and BAM! Thread.

No offense, LightyKD - that's just my opinion.

Foxi I'll refer to this quote.

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Somehow despite all that, I understood what he was getting at. While I don't think I should be arrested for posting an image of me targeting Mitt with my Nerf gun last night, I think a politician should be held to a higher standard than a citizen fucking around in his living room. Make no mistake, mine was a dog whistle too, but I'm not running for office to presumably represent 100 percent of my constituents either.

Also, I wasn't really talking to you, you're fine.

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Try to keep in on topic, read the first post if you need to, and dispense with the blustering my dad can beat up your dad bullshit please. Otherwise, lock.
There is no "topic" mthrnite - the OP misinterpreted the source article by *not reading it*, he wants the politician in question arrested for, as he calls it, "brandishing a weapon againts the president" wheras in fact, he was merely showing his personal firearm to accompany his paragraph about the appreciation of the 2nd Amendment in his area. In other words, there's nothing to speak of - no research whatsoever went into the creation of this thread. LightyKD noticed a catchy headline and BAM! Thread.

No offense, LightyKD - that's just my opinion.

Foxi I'll refer to this quote.

 

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In this country the right wing tends to use a lot of dog whistles and while the president was not directly threatened YES that post the politician made was a low brow made to entice the "Kill Obama" crowd and that is disrespectful. Even worse, we had a similar situation happen just recently when Sarah Palin and other right wingers were posting maps with Democratic localities and targets over the pictures of Democatic politicians (on the map). That map eventually fueled the fire that got Congresswoman Gabby Giffords shot. There's a huge "read between the lines" situation here. -just saying.
OR you didn't read the source quote at all and now you're using a comment that conveniently protects you from ridicule wheras in fact, reading your original post makes it obvious that you judged the man by the headline, not the complete quote which was not agressive or threatening at all. I'm inclined to believe in the latter, thank you very much.

But let's play your little game - if it is a Dog Whistle, why did you want this man arrested? Did he do anything illegal? Did he, or did he not threaten the president? He didn't, you just didn't know that because you only skim-read the article and focused on the headline - that's the way the article is structured. It shows you a nice, clear headline, a nice, big photo of a gun... except it doesn't contain anything else worth noting.

I especially like how it says that since this man disagrees with the latest weapons trade-related agreements, he must be a supporter of terrorism - pure conjuncture and bullshit made up by the reporters to make the article look more edgy. He never said that - the fact that he doesn't like certain parts of a treaty doesn't mean that he disagrees with its entirety. Nobody ever asked him "are you supporting terrorists?" and yet, the article seems to know the answer. The piece is poor and bias, and you had no idea what you were writing about. You don't have to admit it, it's sort of obvious anyways.
 

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@[member='Foxi4']

Somehow despite all that, I understood what he was getting at. While I don't think I should be arrested for posting an image of me targeting Mitt with my Nerf gun last night, I think a politician should be held to a higher standard than a citizen fucking around in his living room. Make no mistake, mine was a dog whistle too, but I'm not running for office to presumably represent 100 percent of my constituents either.

Also, I wasn't really talking to you, you're fine.

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Sounds fair, but I think a lot of you misinterpret why he posted the photo in the first place. He says it quite clearly - he wants to show the weapon he usually carries around thanks to the rights secured by the 2nd Amendment. It's not threatening in any way - it's an example, and an example that speaks to the people of Tennessee at that.
 

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@blahkamehameha be civil or be out. Calling people morons don't fly, even if it isn't me.

Also, I live pretty deep within the Kill 'im" crowd. Gun culture is thick in my part of the country. Yeah, it's rhetoric, it's hyperbole, but I didn't present it as anything other than that. Is it dangerous rhetoric? Yes, I think so.
 
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So Democrats think everything Republicans say is against them, and vice versa. Am I getting the general idea here?
False equivalency, you don't see dems making violent dog whistle threats against repubs. If I'm wrong, please let me know with an example.
Your statement would be so funny if only it was true. Both parties hate eachother's guts.

TL;DR and Don't Want To Click Links Version is "I don't like you because you're a Jew."

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that if you dig deep enough (or in this case, scrape the surface), you'll find dirt on both parties, so the Good/Evil dualism doesn't apply here - there will always be a few black sheep and a few extremists in every party you analyze.
 
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Ha. This one made me laugh. I gotta say, that's a pretty sophisticated interpretation of that facebook thingie...might've overestimated, or underestimated (depending), the author a bit.

 

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So Democrats think everything Republicans say is against them, and vice versa. Am I getting the general idea here?
False equivalency, you don't see dems making violent dog whistle threats against repubs. If I'm wrong, please let me know with an example.
Your statement would be so funny if only it was true. Both parties hate eachother's guts.

TL;DR and Don't Want To Click Links Version is "I don't like you because you're a Jew."

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that if you dig deep enough (or in this case, scrape the surface), you'll find dirt on both parties, so the Good/Evil dualism doesn't apply here - there will always be a few black sheep and a few extremists in every party you analyze.
OK well I clicked that link and read the article (of course from the bipartisan, credible, and NEVER seeped in scandal BREITBART website,) and I read absolutely zero example of violent dog whistle tactics. Furthermore, there wasn't one single solitary quote from the man the article is attacking. Not even one. Hey, here's an interesting quote from your beloved Casino Mogul Sheldon Adelson:

“I am not Israeli. The uniform that I wore in the military, unfortunately, was not an Israeli uniform. It was an American uniform, although my wife was in the IDF and one of my daughters was in the IDF … our two little boys, one of whom will be bar mitzvahed tomorrow, hopefully he’ll come back– his hobby is shooting – and he’ll come back and be a sniper for the IDF.”

Wow, regretful of wearing the American uniform. Well that's fantastic.
 

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You didn't read the source links like I hinted you should.
“The Adelson money has effectively sealed the capitulation of Mr. Boteach to the right wing and Islamophobes in the Republican Party, and their financiers, Boteach has sold his soul and I am afraid no higher authority can redeem it. "
Yup. Totally doesn't make it sound like the Republican Party consists entirely of Islamophobes.

I'd also like to mention that I don't support either side, so "beloved" probably isn't the most fitting word. I was merely pointing at a mechanism.
 

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You didn't read the source links like I hinted you should.
“The Adelson money has effectively sealed the capitulation of Mr. Boteach to the right wing and Islamophobes in the Republican Party, and their financiers, Boteach has sold his soul and I am afraid no higher authority can redeem it. "
Yup. Totally doesn't make it sound like the Republican Party consists entirely of Islamophobes.

I'd also like to mention that I don't support either side, so "beloved" probably isn't the most fitting word. I was merely pointing at a mechanism.
At any point could you please let me know of the violent dog-whistle examples I've asked for? Are you actually trying to tell me there AREN'T Islamophobes in the Republican Party? Would you like me to dig up five hundred examples of Islamophobia from Repubs ? What point are you trying to make ?
 

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At any point could you please let me know of the violent dog-whistle examples I've asked for? Are you actually trying to tell me there AREN'T Islamophobes in the Republican Party? Would you like me to dig up five hundred examples of Islamophobia from Repubs ? What point are you trying to make ?
The point I'm trying to make is that digging up dirt on either party is not a massive undertaking - they can be easily found, so presenting either in a "brighter" light is pointless as it's entirely subjective.

I could also dig up five hundred other links that would show the Democratic party in a bad light, except I won't because it's a barren discussion that has zero relevance to actual politics.
 
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At any point could you please let me know of the violent dog-whistle examples I've asked for? Are you actually trying to tell me there AREN'T Islamophobes in the Republican Party? Would you like me to dig up five hundred examples of Islamophobia from Repubs ? What point are you trying to make ?
The point I'm trying to make is that digging up dirt on either party is not a massive undertaking - they can be easily found, so presenting either in a "brighter" light is pointless as it's entirely subjective.

I could also dig up five hundred other links that would show the Democratic party in a bad light, except I won't because it's a barren discussion that has zero relevance to actual politics.
I have YET to hear a single example from you of something so flagrantly threatening as the original thinly veiled dog whistle facebook post. Let alone any example of so-called "dirt" on Democrats. Here's a tip: try to provide examples from something other than a crazed right-wing blog like Breitbart. They are WELL known for obliterating the context from quotes, conveniently chopping off parts to fit their narrative. I will gladly provide MANY examples of this upon request.
 

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I have YET to hear a single example from you of something so flagrantly threatening as the original thinly veiled dog whistle facebook post. Let alone any example of so-called "dirt" on Democrats. Here's a tip: try to provide examples from something other than a crazed right-wing blog like Breitbart. They are WELL known for obliterating the context from quotes, conveniently chopping off parts to fit their narrative. I will gladly provide MANY examples of this upon request.
I on the other hand don't see any thinly veiled dog whistles in the facebook post - I see a person who's adamant on misinterpreting what he read. On the other hand, I find accusing someone of being an Islamophobe on the basis of him being jewish as racist at the very least. As I said, the discussion is barren.

http://www.wmur.com/...l?absolute=true
http://www.washingto...essional-races/

...and many more. DCCC is known to release "Anti-Campaigns", which in many countries, including mine, is in fact illegal. They're not showing why their candidate is "good" - they're poking holes in the opposing candidates. Rather than showing their candidates in a good light, they use cheap tactics to show the opposing candidates in a bad one.

What to see the full scale of their Anti-Campaigns? Sure!

http://www.youtube.com/user/DCCCVideo2012
 

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I have YET to hear a single example from you of something so flagrantly threatening as the original thinly veiled dog whistle facebook post. Let alone any example of so-called "dirt" on Democrats. Here's a tip: try to provide examples from something other than a crazed right-wing blog like Breitbart. They are WELL known for obliterating the context from quotes, conveniently chopping off parts to fit their narrative. I will gladly provide MANY examples of this upon request.
I on the other hand don't see any thinly veiled dog whistles in the facebook post - I see a person who's adamant on misinterpreting what he read. On the other hand, I find accusing someone of being an Islamophobe on the basis of him being jewish as racist at the very least. As I said, the discussion is barren.

http://www.wmur.com/...l?absolute=true
http://www.washingto...essional-races/

...and many more. DCCC is known to release "Anti-Campaigns", which in many countries, including mine, is in fact illegal. They're not showing why their candidate is "good" - they're poking holes in the opposing candidates. Rather than showing their candidates in a good light, they use cheap tactics to show the opposing candidates in a bad one.
According to you and your precious Breitbart, Assaf accused Adelson of Islamophobia JUST because he's JEWISH. Oh wait, 5 seconds of Googling indicates actual evidence of Islamophobia.

COPYPASTA:
Addressing a Hanukkah celebration for hundreds of youths visiting Israel as part of the Taglit Birthright program on Sunday, Adelson said, “Read the history of those who call themselves Palestinians, and you will hear why [Newt] Gingrich said recently that the Palestinians are an invented people. There are a number of Palestinians who will recognize the truth of this statement.”

BIPARTISAN SOURCE:
http://www.haaretz.c...people-1.403671

Adelson saying "ALL TERRORISTS ARE ISLAMS" @ 2:21


That Ad for Guinta is an example of what ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? It's hardly an attack ad at all. Of course, let alone ANYTHING CLOSE to a violent dog whistle.
Another negative ad. SOOOO ? ? ? ? ?

Look man, I gotta go to work, when I get back I'll respond to whatever other examples of HORRIBLE DIRT from the Democratic side you apparently think is equivalent to a violent dog whistle.
 

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Someone's getting a bit upset here. I'm merely underlining that the style of politics based on "don't vote for those people, they're totally naughty because they did this and that! Well, I suppose that you gotta vote for the only alternative then." is perhaps fitting for a playground or a sandbox - this is how children hold their debates. Why are those ads not showing the actual programme of the corresponding Democrat candidates? Why do they have to resort to attacking the opposing party, as if they had nothing to offer?

All I see is an entire channel dedicated to how the Republican party is naughty - an entire channel full of ads that are specifically aimed againts very specific people for the benefit of the Democratic party. But of course, you won't accept that due to your party affiliation, one which I fortunately don't have as I don't support either side of the conflict.

EDIT: And just to end this silly and off-topic discussion, I will conclude by saying that those DCCC adverts are sewn with threads thicker than shoelaces and you can see the subliminal messages in them even if you're standing on the face of the moon - they're the lowest of low possible political plays - when you put focus on what your oponent does wrong rather than on what your candidate does right, all you're doing is showing to the world how little you have to offer yourself.

"Someone voted for controlled abortions? Well, clearly he is againts family planning then - why else would he do that! Why would you vote for someone who's againts family values?" - not a Democratic version of a whistle? Perhaps for you, I'm not that blind. These are all attacks directed againts specific people rather than actual advertisements of the Democratic political programmes, plain and simple.
 
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