Should There Be Tougher Gun Laws?

[Wizerzak]

Scientific evidence that my first post (first reply to this topic) is true.

 

[Mantis41]

I was reading the following CNN article.​

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/21/us/military-style-weapons-ireport/index.html?hpt=hp_c1​

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I then started reading the user comments. After picking myself up off the floor and wiping a tear from my eye I thought, "If these idiots are running around with assault rifles then America have a big problem."​

 

[Hanafuda]

I was reading the following CNN article.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/21/us/military-style-weapons-ireport/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

I then started reading the user comments. After picking myself up off the floor and wiping a tear from my eye I thought, "If these idiots are running around with assault rifles then America have a big problem."

Most of the people who are advocating an "assault weapon ban" don't know what they're talking about. It's all based on fear and emotion. Check my post about the difference between an assault rifle and the types of guns this "assault weapon ban" would affect.

http://gbatemp.net/threads/nra-vide...orm-of-pornography.339579/page-5#post-4490463

We're not running around with assault rifles. They just want the public to think so.

Also, this LOL.

 

[Hanafuda]

Don't know if anyone will come back to the thread, but I saw this video on another site and thought it was worth sharing here as well:

 

[smile72]

I would love for the U.S. to ave gun laws similar to Israel or Japan (both have very different gun laws). But it's impossible thanks to a conservative media which always likes to tell people that the black president going to take all your guns so you need the guns that fire 30 bullets a minute,without having to reload to protect yourself, an who can forget the NRA and their never giving an inch on anything (not even armor piercing bullets).

 

[Hanafuda]

I would love for the U.S. to ave gun laws similar to Israel or Japan (both have very different gun laws). But it's impossible thanks to a conservative media which always likes to tell people that the black president going to take all your guns so you need the guns that fire 30 bullets a second to protect yourself, an who can forget the NRA and their never giving an inch on anything (not even armor piercing bullets).

What guns are you speaking of that fire 30 bullets a second?

As for the "armor-piercing" ammunition baloney,

Following significant media hype and widespread misconceptions, Congress got into the act and proposed legislation that would have outlawed any bullet based on its ability to penetrate certain bullet resistant material. The FBI, Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, and other forensic experts cautioned that the proposed ban was too vague to be enforceable. The NRA opposed the proposed law since it would have banned not only the controversial armor piercing handgun rounds, but nearly all conventional rifle ammunition as well. (Most rifle ammunition will easily penetrate the most commonly worn protective vests.)
The NRA proposed alternative legislation based upon the actual design and construction of the bullets. The final, approved version of the bill (H.R. 3132 passed in 1986) prohibited the sale of armor piercing ammunition [which may be used in a handgun] other than to law enforcement and the military. Representative Mario Biaggi (D-N.Y.) the original bill's sponsor, stated that the final legislation "... was not some watered down version of what we set out to do. In the end there was no compromise on the part of police safety..."

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvcopk.html

 

[431unknown]

First off I'm not going to read 15 pages worth of posts to speak my piece. With that said I will say that there should be a mental exam for anyone looking for a Concealed Carry permit and that if you own any firearm your need have some type of gun safe for any fire arms when they are not ion your possession ( you need to show proof while buying that you have one) that you may own so that its harder for them to be accessed. I am also all in for biometric identification to be able to pull the trigger on a firearm. It is really sad what has happened it CT but most new gun laws are not with the times and the tech. What I mean by this is there can be more added to the national database to ensure only legitimate and certified competent owners can buy guns. When I was 12 years old I had to take a course to be eligible to get a Hunting License, but to get a Concealed Carry permit there is none and no background check in my state and thats just wrong.

This I feel is like any form of discrimination wwhetherit be based on creed , religion, or nationality is bad. Any sain firearm owner would and should have had their guns under lock and key when they are not in their possion and all future and current fire arm oownerswill feel the brunt on this assholes actions and his mothers. Also as a member of the NRA way to pass the bill fuckers... don't look forward to a reup of a future membership. because the proper thing to say is you'll use your lobbying towards the proper passage of bills that will hhindrancethe happings of "llegitimategun owners" firearms being sstolenand used in illegal activities.

 

[smile72]

What guns are you speaking of that fire 30 bullets a second?

As for the "armor-piercing" ammunition baloney,



http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvcopk.html

Sorry meant per minute, misread the article.... plus did not know that about rifles...but lets not kid ourselves countries with less to no guns tend not have gun violence, of course a stabbing every now and then happens but it is much less destructive take the Akihabara stabbing for an example. I myself am a person who believes gun should only be iven to those with a job requirement to carry one. Eh...sorry for going on and on.

 

[VMM]

You don't need guns to kill people. I.E some guy in China slashed 22 kids with a knife.
This isn't a problem with laws or restrictions, this is a problem with human nature. We can't fix it with regulations.

Well, how many cases have you seen of a massacre with a knife?
Having laws that allow every civilian to buy a gun without any requirement, makes it easy for anyone to do a massacre.
Why would a civilian need an AK-47?

 

[Jamstruth]

[quote="Hanafuda, post: 4491025, member: 32184"
Also, this LOL.

[/quote]
There's a difference between trained personnel having guns and the general populace owning guns.

 

[AlanJohn]

Well, how many cases have you seen of a massacre with a knife?
Having laws that allow every civilian to buy a gun without any requirement, makes it easy for anyone to do a massacre.
Why would a civilian need an AK-47?

Well, if I recall correctly then one of the american amendment's clarified that civilians have the right to bear a weapon just in case the government would want full control over the people. This is one of the main reasons why americans to this day argue about gun laws, even though if every american had an AK-47 they would still have no chance against the government. I understand why americans want to always have a gun with them. If I would live in a country like that, I wouldn't go outside without a gun. I can also understand the reason why some people are against guns. If you think about it, both of the reasons behind these two groups are quite dumb.
In example, if I would have a gun for self defense, so I could defend myself from street thugs or some shit. Well, that's quite stupid, since if you get mugged then you already have the thug have a gun right next to your cranium trying to extort money from you. Trying to take your gun out of your pocket, loading it, would take some time, and you'll probably be dead already. Another argument is that guns can be used for defense against robbers. Well, again, stupid. Robbers aren't retarded, they don't go to your house when you're home. They watch you for weeks, where you go, what time do you come home, and then rob your house when your not home.
Even though self-defense seems quite stupid from what I've said, guns still might come in handy. One time one of my friends, who is a gun owner, went home on foot after a night with his friends at the bar. Then some thugs started walking behind him. He just showed them his gun, and was like "You don't wanna fuck with me" and the thugs went away. So, yeah, guns do come in handy.
Now, anti-gun guys. What the fuck will happen if you ban guns? Create another black market? If you want to see what a country with terrible laws looks like, then look at Mexico, Brazil, Russia. Every day gangs fight on the streets due to the transfer of products banned by the government. Mexico's cartels would be long dead if the americans could start living without coke and/or the government could legalize some drugs. But, even though this is some crazy shit here, banning guns can change something for the better. Look at Australia. 10 years ago there was a massacre in one of the regions and then guns were permanently banned. The result? Not a single massacre. Now, try to count the number of massacres that occurred for the past ten years in the USA. See the difference? So, yeah, even though this could bring some good it would be batshit retarded knowing that americans are more addicted to guns than to coke.

To be honest I'm not on either of these sides. I think these massacres that occur in the US are not the fault of gun laws, video games, society, religion etc., I think the only people responsible for these massacres are the ones who made them. That's it.

 

[Hanafuda]

[quote="Hanafuda, post: 4491025, member: 32184"
Also, this LOL.

There's a difference between trained personnel having guns and the general populace owning guns.[/quote]


You're right. I can't afford trained personnel to protect me and my family. Guess I'll have to do it myself.

 

[VMM]

If you want to see what a country with terrible laws looks like, then look at Mexico, Brazil, Russia..

You clearly do not know what you're talking about.
Have you ever read the "constituição brasileira de 1988"?!

 

[Jamstruth]

There's a difference between trained personnel having guns and the general populace owning guns.

You're right. I can't afford trained personnel to protect me and my family. Guess I'll have to do it myself.[/quote]
You're impossible.

Yes. Criminals will always get guns. Its a fact. Here in the UK though where you need to know the right people to get guns most criminals don't bother. Especially the lower end ones. Why? They don't feel they need them to combat the Police or hold up places effectively. In America though, where almost every store owner has a gun and all the Police have guns, criminals need guns.
Other problems with general populace having access to guns is the murders that are done on the spur of the moment, on fits of anger etc. Without this easy access to firearms this is less likely. Oh, and yes, I know you need to pass background checks to obtain a gun. Doesn't stop people being fucking stupid later.

Call me a pussy or whatever I just don't like guns. They have a single use and make that purpose so damned easy it's ridiculous.

 

[Engert]

Question for Hanafuda. Bit off-topic.
Are you a gamer? You must be since you are here.
You could call me a Nintendo fanboy since i was grown up with Zelda, Castlevania, Metroid and Super Mario and other Nintendo Classics.

 

[RedCoreZero]

People use guns not just to kill,they use it for important things.I however it should have strict laws.Anyone could go on a killing spree,in 2020 we will be having guns shots everywhere.As time goes on more killing happens.

 

[smile72]

Well, if I recall correctly then one of the american amendment's clarified that civilians have the right to bear a weapon just in case the government would want full control over the people. This is one of the main reasons why americans to this day argue about gun laws, even though if every american had an AK-47 they would still have no chance against the government. I understand why americans want to always have a gun with them. If I would live in a country like that, I wouldn't go outside without a gun. I can also understand the reason why some people are against guns. If you think about it, both of the reasons behind these two groups are quite dumb.
In example, if I would have a gun for self defense, so I could defend myself from street thugs or some shit. Well, that's quite stupid, since if you get mugged then you already have the thug have a gun right next to your cranium trying to extort money from you. Trying to take your gun out of your pocket, loading it, would take some time, and you'll probably be dead already. Another argument is that guns can be used for defense against robbers. Well, again, stupid. Robbers aren't retarded, they don't go to your house when you're home. They watch you for weeks, where you go, what time do you come home, and then rob your house when your not home.
Even though self-defense seems quite stupid from what I've said, guns still might come in handy. One time one of my friends, who is a gun owner, went home on foot after a night with his friends at the bar. Then some thugs started walking behind him. He just showed them his gun, and was like "You don't wanna fuck with me" and the thugs went away. So, yeah, guns do come in handy.
Now, anti-gun guys. What the fuck will happen if you ban guns? Create another black market? If you want to see what a country with terrible laws looks like, then look at Mexico, Brazil, Russia. Every day gangs fight on the streets due to the transfer of products banned by the government. Mexico's cartels would be long dead if the americans could start living without coke and/or the government could legalize some drugs. But, even though this is some crazy shit here, banning guns can change something for the better. Look at Australia. 10 years ago there was a massacre in one of the regions and then guns were permanently banned. The result? Not a single massacre. Now, try to count the number of massacres that occurred for the past ten years in the USA. See the difference? So, yeah, even though this could bring some good it would be batshit retarded knowing that americans are more addicted to guns than to coke.

To be honest I'm not on either of these sides. I think these massacres that occur in the US are not the fault of gun laws, video games, society, religion etc., I think the only people responsible for these massacres are the ones who made them. That's it.

I hope you are not seriously comparing the U.S., the world's largest economy to Russia,Mexico, and Brazil...one of these countries has a massively corrupt government, the other is run by drug lords, and I have not done enough research about Brazil but I know enough that it is not comparable in GDP or quality of life. What about Japan, France, Germany, South Korea, U.K., or Spain....all of these countries have a form of gun control better than Americas..and surprise they have a lot less gun related crime, but because we have too many guns on our land we probably won't have the chance to be like them due to having a hugely paranoid population in the South who thinks Obama going to take their guns (he never will). But it would be nice to live in a country with no guns, hell Chicago wouldn't make as much national news..... and to be fair the crazy person wouldn't be able to kill as many people without the gun.

 

[Valwin]

i ma not sure if i should do this but what if instead of blaming the guns ok ok guys stay with me here i knows is crazy but what if we blame the shooter ?
i know is crazy but what if we blame the guy that did the crime

 

[RedCoreZero]

You see,guns are usable by anyone who wants to go on a killing spree.With guns it's harder to defend yourself.With knifes you can defend yourself much better.

 

[Hanafuda]

Question for Hanafuda. Bit off-topic.
Are you a gamer? You must be since you are here.
You could call me a Nintendo fanboy since i was grown up with Zelda, Castlevania, Metroid and Super Mario and other Nintendo Classics.

Sure. And, as far as being mostly Nintendo-oriented, yeah that's me too. But I started with an Atari 2600 when I was 11 or 12 I guess, and I spent a lot of money playing Galaxian, Outrun, Galaga, Battlezone, Centipede, PacMan, etc. in the arcades in the early 80's. I was a freshman in college the year the NES first sold in America. In 1991 I got a job in Japan (JET Program) teaching English and that interrupted my home console gaming, and I didn't really get back into it until around 2000 when I got married.

Nowadays I mostly play on handhelds - GBA, NDS, 3DS. I do have a PSX, an N64, a Saturn, GCN, original Xbox, and a Wii. My kids play with them more than I do, although FWIW I have gotten ALL stars in Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxy 1 & 2, beaten all the Metroid Prime games, Pikmin 1 & 2, etc.

So yes, I'm not just hanging around this site for the sole purpose of being a pro-gun shill. It is an important issue to me though, obviously.