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You're going to have to elaborate with some concrete examples if you want to make a statement like that with any credibility. Many here has provided concrete examples of far-right authoritarianism with MAGA, where is it with "the left"...?

I'll wait.
Far Left Authoritarianism is living in reality and realizing Trump lost and his loser supporters tried to overthrow the election because he lost. Also stating that said attempt to overthrow an election is not patriotic :tpi:
 

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I still fail to see the problems. Nazis want people dead for just existing. Wanting Nazis to be dead is self-defense and defense for other people that Nazis want to kill. We have a saying in my parts, “The only good Nazi is a dead one.”

Nazis justify their wanting others dead or in servitude as self-defense/preservation, too. Kind of what makes them "evil" in the eyes of others. Sure you aren't a Nazi for all of the practical reasons you use the word?
 
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Nazis justify their wanting others dead or in servitude as self-defense/preservation, too. Kind of what makes them "evil" in the eyes of others. Sure you aren't a Nazi for all of the practical reasons you use the word?
You see, that falls apart when you consider the mental gymnastics required to ignore, deny, or pretend Nazism didn't lead to The Holocaust. Being a Neo-Nazi by default means wanting to cause another Holocaust. Their position has been and will always be for the extermination of other people. Other people not wanting to die is not the same as those wanting to kill them. Can you provide any reason why I would be considered a Nazi? Or do you just think I am throwing the term around without consideration?
These people are still out there, here's two that I spotted in the wild
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I've encountered plenty more during my time. The fact that they feel comfortable enough to display this trash is something to concerned about.
 

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Nazis justify their wanting others dead or in servitude as self-defense/preservation, too. Kind of what makes them "evil" in the eyes of others. Sure you aren't a Nazi for all of the practical reasons you use the word?
Generalization fallacy. Nazis are labeled as evil not for generic hatred or dislikes, but because of their specific racist and antisemitic views. Nazism differs from standard hatred or racism in that regard, because Nazism is pronounced and specific. There is more to Nazism than just hate, of course, but that hate is what Nazism is most well known for. Please don't try to flip Nazi values on others--it's extremely disrespectful and doesn't serve any beneficial purpose.
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I've encountered plenty more during my time. The fact that they feel comfortable enough to display this trash is something to concerned about.
Those photos alone are stomach-churning. I'm sorry for you, as well as everyone else who bears witness to depravity such as this.
 

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Those photos alone are stomach-churning. I'm sorry for you, as well as everyone else who bears witness to depravity such as this.
For what it's worth, I live nowhere near where these two pictures were taken.
Although, I used to live in the same small town where the first one with the Black Sun was taken. That area actually has a real problem with White Nationalists and Neo-Nazis. Hell, I used to live in a smaller town off of that town, which had a KKK meeting spot roughly 3 miles from where I was living. Living in Red States can really expose you to both the most awesome and terrible people within the same towns.
 
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Generalization fallacy. Nazis are labeled as evil not for generic hatred or dislikes, but because of their specific racist and antisemitic views. Nazism differs from standard hatred or racism in that regard, because Nazism is pronounced and specific. There is more to Nazism than just hate, of course, but that hate is what Nazism is most well known for. Please don't try to flip Nazi values on others--it's extremely disrespectful and doesn't serve any beneficial purpose.

Unfortunately the comic that is the subject of the discussion is not as nuanced. In this regard, the way you spoke up is the type of beneficial purpose I am trying to provoke. I just wish that it was @The Catboy or @supermist were able to do so.

You see, that falls apart when you consider the mental gymnastics required to ignore, deny, or pretend Nazism didn't lead to The Holocaust. Being a Neo-Nazi by default means wanting to cause another Holocaust. Their position has been and will always be for the extermination of other people.

  1. Evolution of the "Final Solution": Initially, the Nazis did consider plans for mass deportation of Jews. For example, the Madagascar Plan was a proposal to relocate the Jewish population of Europe to the island of Madagascar. However, this and other similar plans were deemed impractical or abandoned for various reasons, including logistical difficulties and the progression of the war.
  2. War and Practical Considerations: The outbreak and escalation of World War II significantly impacted Nazi policy. As the war progressed, the resources and logistics required for mass deportation became increasingly strained. The Nazis began to focus on more immediate and, in their view, "final" solutions to the so-called "Jewish question".
  3. Radicalization of Policy: The policy towards Jews and other persecuted groups became increasingly radical as the war continued. The shift from persecution and forced emigration to mass murder was gradual but steady, influenced by wartime conditions, Nazi ideology, and the dynamics of the regime.
In short, the war pressured the extreme outcome.

Other people not wanting to die is not the same as those wanting to kill them.

Calling for "eradication" betrays the nuance you are trying to suggest.

Can you provide any reason why I would be considered a Nazi? Or do you just think I am throwing the term around without consideration?

You have an ideology that you want to promote and recognize the existence of people who are incompatible with it, so as a result, you endorse "eradicating" them.
 
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Unfortunately the comic that is the subject of the discussion is not as nuanced. In this regard, the way you spoke up is the type of beneficial purpose I am trying to provoke. I just wish that it was @The Catboy or @supermist were able to do so.



  1. Evolution of the "Final Solution": Initially, the Nazis did consider plans for mass deportation of Jews. For example, the Madagascar Plan was a proposal to relocate the Jewish population of Europe to the island of Madagascar. However, this and other similar plans were deemed impractical or abandoned for various reasons, including logistical difficulties and the progression of the war.
  2. War and Practical Considerations: The outbreak and escalation of World War II significantly impacted Nazi policy. As the war progressed, the resources and logistics required for mass deportation became increasingly strained. The Nazis began to focus on more immediate and, in their view, "final" solutions to the so-called "Jewish question".
  3. Radicalization of Policy: The policy towards Jews and other persecuted groups became increasingly radical as the war continued. The shift from persecution and forced emigration to mass murder was gradual but steady, influenced by wartime conditions, Nazi ideology, and the dynamics of the regime.
In short, the war pressured the extreme outcome.



Calling for "eradication" betrays the nuance you are trying to suggest.



You have an ideology that you want to promote and recognize the existence of people who are incompatible with it, so as a result, you endorse "eradicating" them.
That’s all well and good but the point of Neo-Nazis is to continue where the Nazis left off. Nuance is unnecessary in this situation. Neo-Nazis want to eradicate other people, that’s their entire goal.
 
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That’s all well and good but the point of Neo-Nazis is to continue where the Nazis left off. Nuance is unnecessary in this situation. Neo-Nazis want to eradicate other people, that’s their entire goal.
If nuance doesn't matter, we are back at the part where you aren't very different in advocating eradication of other people--that's your "entire goal".
 

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You're going to have to elaborate with some concrete examples if you want to make a statement like that with any credibility. Many here has provided concrete examples of far-right authoritarianism with MAGA, where is it with "the left"...?

I'll wait.
I don't feel the need nor have the energy to write essays to justify myself or prove anything to people who are obviously not willing to listen. If you're not willing to see reality it's on you, it's not my responsibility. I've wasted enough time on this exhausting conversation.

Just ask yourself who is burning books these days. It's a very simple and sure way to tell who has a fascist mindset.
 
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Just ask yourself who is burning books these days. It's a very simple and sure way to tell who has a fascist mindset.
It's all righties/MAGA doing that in the US, so you aren't wrong. Hell, DeSantis' law is getting even dictionaries pulled out of Florida schools.
 

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Do you know what inside information means? Cause' I don't think that you do.

Source: Me

i do : source me.
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Far Left Authoritarianism is living in reality and realizing Trump lost and his loser supporters tried to overthrow the election because he lost. Also stating that said attempt to overthrow an election is not patriotic :tpi:

so you admit far left authoritarianism is real and are ok with it? thats weird. also for the record neither is far left authoritarianism but here we are.
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I don't feel the need nor have the energy to write essays to justify myself or prove anything to people who are obviously not willing to listen. If you're not willing to see reality it's on you, it's not my responsibility. I've wasted enough time on this exhausting conversation.

Just ask yourself who is burning books these days. It's a very simple and sure way to tell who has a fascist mindset.

if it makes you feel better im pretty sure its all the same guy on alt accounts, that or there is a surprising amount of GBA temp usage in asylums these days.
 
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Hey, no need to out yourself like that.


Not a reliable source.


The MAGA and the Muslim fanatics, yep, far right undertones and fascism all right.

we are now didnt you hear? also theres no need to be a bigot and bring muslims into it, lastly, isnt it past your bed time? i only ask because if the best you can do is "no u" im not sure you are old enough to use this website.
 
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Do you have a source on that?



Bigot?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_book-burning_incidents

Unlike you I don't tell lies.

yea we've been over this, me, no further proof is needed apparently.

do you have a source on me lying? ive already confirmed many times i have never lied, also what does that link have to do with anything, i called you a bigot because you brought up the muslims, with in the social zeitgeist that is forbidden unless its to talk about how great they are.
 
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do you have a source on me lying? ive already confirmed many times i have never lied,
add +1 to lies, all your posts are sources of your lies.
also what does that link have to do with anything, i called you a bigot because you brought up the muslims
clearly you're illiterate and can't read, as if you had opened it you'd know.
with in the social zeitgeist that is forbidden unless its to talk about how great they are.
maybe in your head since you only deal with prejudice, thankfully freedom of speech isn't dead when it comes to fact.
 
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The MAGA and the Muslim fanatics, yep, far right undertones and fascism all right.
It's all righties/MAGA doing that in the US, so you aren't wrong. Hell, DeSantis' law is getting even dictionaries pulled out of Florida schools.
Maybe, but what about the hundreds of "cancelled" books/movies/personalities ? When I talked about burning books I didn't only mean it literally. :rolleyes: For people who see symbolic violence everywhere you sure know how to turn a blind eye to it when it suits you.

Interestingly enough, I just read an article about the book "The Gods Will Have Blood" by Anatole France, I suggest you read it. It's about a French revolution fanatic prone to do whatever carnage and evil that suits him, in the name of what he calls "Good" :
"It is April 1793 and the final power struggle of the French Revolution is taking hold: the aristocrats are dead and the poor are fighting for bread in the streets. In a Paris swept by fear and hunger lives Gamelin, a revolutionary young artist appointed magistrate, and given the power of life and death over the citizens of France. But his intense idealism and unbridled single-mindedness drive him inexorably towards catastrophe."
This is a great illustration of "hell is paved with good intentions", which perfectly sums up the toxicity of wokeness.

And please realize that the world is not a binary place (pun intended) and that there's a whole wide world beyond the far right and the woke left. Just because the far right is doing questionable things doesn't mean the woke left is saintly, and the majority of people are neither far right nor woke left. You always talk to me like I'm a far right enthusiast and that's hilarious because as I said earlier, reason & realism >>>>> ideology. When someone disagrees with you or the woke ideology, it doesn't automatically make them far right.

And here I am replying again... :rolleyes:
 
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