Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe assassinated

[chrisrlink]

during a televised speech today in Nara prefecture (south of Kyoto and West of Osaka) the former Prime minister of Japans Parlament, Shinzo Abe was assassinated despite strict gun laws in Japan the suspect a 41 yr old unemployed man built a hand made ghost gun and also was arrested shortly after the incident he sited Hatred for a group Abe supported (unconfirmed) Abe stepped down as PM a year ago he was 67

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/shinzo-abe-japan-pm-collapses-nara-07-08-22-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[Dark_Phoras]

"Despite strict gun laws"

Like it has anything to do with this case. Americans always spin to make it about themselves, or to specify an event according to their own circumstances, even if it happened on the opposite side of the world.

"Despite strict dietary regulations in schools"

"Despite strict car restrictions in metropolitan centers"

 

[Glyptofane]

What a strange thing to come out of Japan of all places. I'm curious about more details regarding the motive.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

A Japanese citizen killed a very known Japanese politician motivated by Japanese matters, but I bet this thread will become an USA domestic discussion very very soon.

 

[chrisrlink]

What a strange thing to come out of Japan of all places. I'm curious about more details regarding the motive.

he (the suspect) cited Hatred for a group Abe supported (unconfirmed) I ALREADY SAID WHY IT'S IN THE ARTICLE ITSELF I LINKED

 

[Xzi]

I'm sure I disagreed with any number of his political views, but this is just senseless and tragic nonetheless. The hatred must have run deep to go after him even following retirement. RIP.

"Despite strict gun laws"

Like it has anything to do with this case. Americans always spin to make it about themselves.

Uhh...it is pretty relevant given that he was shot with a gun, and specifically a homemade one. I seriously doubt chris was trying to give the US a pass on our lax gun control with that statement.

 

[smf]

"Despite strict gun laws"

Like it has anything to do with this case.

Of course it has something to do with the case.

Despite strict gun laws, the number of gun deaths per capita in japan is lower than the USA.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime

I seriously doubt chris was trying to give the US a pass on our lax gun control with that statement.

I don't.

 

[Dark_Phoras]

Uhh...it is pretty relevant given that he was shot with a gun, and specifically a homemade one. I seriously doubt chris was trying to give the US a pass on our lax gun control with that statement.

The legislation on weapon access is irrelevant in a news context, particularly such a short news. Are we also discussing transport legislation, because he had to get there somehow.

Of course it has something to do with the case.

Despite strict gun laws, the number of gun deaths per capita in japan is lower than the USA.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime

@lokomelo it took 24 minutes for someone to make it into a discussion about a US domestic issue.

 

[chrisrlink]

"Despite strict gun laws"

Like it has anything to do with this case. Americans always spin to make it about themselves, or to specify an event according to their own circumstances, even if it happened on the opposite side of the world.

"Despite strict dietary regulations in schools"

"Despite strict car restrictions in metropolitan centers"

yes i showed the failure in strict gun laws (you can still own a gun in Japan still though regulations are tighter and the homicide rate by firearms is still a small fraction of what the US is, background checks are heavily detailed for gun ownership in Japan i'm sure any ties to the Yakuza or any other gang even by other family members is a denial of gun ownership)

 

[Dark_Phoras]

yes i showed the failure in strict gun laws

Why?

 

[chrisrlink]

I'm sure I disagreed with any number of his political views, but this is just senseless and tragic nonetheless. The hatred must have run deep to go after him even following retirement. RIP.


Uhh...it is pretty relevant given that he was shot with a gun, and specifically a homemade one. I seriously doubt chris was trying to give the US a pass on our lax gun control with that statement.

curious on what political views you didn't like about him?

this also shows a failure in Japans security detail for former political figures it's no where near as good as the US's who invades privacy as a means of protection

 

[Glyptofane]

he (the suspect) cited Hatred for a group Abe supported (unconfirmed) I ALREADY SAID WHY IT'S IN THE ARTICLE ITSELF I LINKED

Yes, but it's an unidentified group which is also unconfirmed, so it basically means nothing.

 

[Xzi]

curious on what political views you didn't like about him?

AFAIK he was generally conservative, corporate friendly, pro-life and anti-weed. I doubt the current PM's stances are much different though, and it's hard to judge an Eastern culture through a Western lens. Unless they start going full fash like Russia, anyway.

 

[smf]

yes i showed the failure in strict gun laws (you can still own a gun in Japan still though regulations are tighter and the homicide rate by firearms is still a small fraction of what the US is, background checks are heavily detailed for gun ownership in Japan i'm sure any ties to the Yakuza or any other gang even by other family members is a denial of gun ownership)

How is that a failure? It sounds like a success?

string guns laws = low homicide rate.

 

[lolcatzuru]

I just dont UNDERSTAND, i've tried to wrap my brain around this and can't, they tv tells me if guns go away no one will get shot, japan took away all the guns, and someone really important got shot.

 

[linuxares]

I just dont UNDERSTAND, i've tried to wrap my brain around this and can't, they tv tells me if guns go away no one will get shot, japan took away all the guns, and someone really important got shot.

Check out his gun. It's like something out of Fallout

 

[Xzi]

I just dont UNDERSTAND, i've tried to wrap my brain around this and can't, they tv tells me if guns go away no one will get shot, japan took away all the guns, and someone really important got shot.

Almost like this will be one of (at most) ten shootings in Japan this year, while the US sees more than that in a weekend. There's a tradeoff to be made between the safety of public figures and the safety of the general public, certainly. Abe's security team clearly wasn't prepared to deal with a shooter.

 

[NyaakoXD]

I just dont UNDERSTAND, i've tried to wrap my brain around this and can't, they tv tells me if guns go away no one will get shot, japan took away all the guns, and someone really important got shot.

I don't know what you're trying to imply here, but TV news networks aren't the smartest people in the bunch. Anyone with an actual brain knows that if you take away easy access to guns, the rate of shootings and deaths would massively go down, but not completely down to zero since there are folks that are "smart" enough to go around loopholes and get them illegally or make their own (but that's still not close to as often as people easily walking into a store and buy a gun in the US).

In Japan, people can still get "guns", but they have to go through a very heavy multi-step procedural certification to even own/use one. However, the shooter in this case used a homemade gun if you look at actual footage and screenshots and it's not simple to make a gun and the bullets needed, so, again, the rate of shootings and such are still a lot lower than the amount of shootings the US gets.

Plus, this doesn't happen as often as you may think compared to how much shootings happens in the US.

 

[XDel]

Here is footage of the event.

Video Footage

 

[chrisrlink]

AFAIK he was generally conservative, corporate friendly, pro-life and anti-weed. I doubt the current PM's stances are much different though, and it's hard to judge an Eastern culture through a Western lens. Unless they start going full fash like Russia, anyway.

well sounds very like the USA right now minus the strict gun laws