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Nikokaro
Nikokaro
@impeeza, the case you cited concerns Spanish television; some time later a similar case happened here in Italy. I think the girl did not react immediately out of shame and because on live television she was shocked but kept selfcontrol.
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Bravo. You did well to cite this case. Here the judge acquitted him because the touch was so short. Evidently what makes the difference is the length, the grip, the strength of the touch, I presume. In Italy judges have a lot of freedom of judgment, for better or worse.
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impeeza
impeeza
exactly depends of the situation, on Spain CURRENT law and making important only the law, the guy could be:
  • dismissed (he only touched in a no treat way) as you can see on the video, but the video do not matter for the feminazis.
  • a small money fine
  • obligated to take a course
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impeeza
impeeza
The problem just now on Spain is what the District Attorneys and judges are so influenced by social networking and the feminazis are making so big deal which put out of context everything and demand disproportional punishment.

That's a danger slope.
Nikokaro
Nikokaro
@impeeza, I agree with you. In Italy exactly the same thing happens. At this point, even a pat on the back can be a rash and unforgivable gesture.
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Nikokaro
Nikokaro
I thank in advance those who kindly participated or will participate in this short survey of mine. Sorry, but my phone is out of battery: we will talk again soon. 😉
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KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
"At this point, even a pat on the back can be a rash and unforgivable gesture"
True. At some point we will have our very own "Sorcerer's Apprentice"-moment.

"Sorry, but my phone is out of battery: we will talk again soon. 😉"
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ALONE! TAKE THIS.

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Nikokaro
Nikokaro
I forgot to specify that the sentence was converted to one and a half years of community service, without imprisonment. 🙄
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Community service? So in my view it all worked out

The guy gets in trouble, but not life ending
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Nikokaro
Nikokaro
Men, let's not be hypocrites! If even the mere impulse (drive) were judged a crime, we would have already been sentenced to life in prison several times. Certain sweet and rounded forms, constrained in tight clothes, are at first glance a strong temptation .............. but then reason intervenes to curb the instinct. 🧐
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stop blaming others on you being stupid.

if you think i shouldn't face consequences because "your honor but it was an impulse", i guess i can go murder someone and then be like "your honor here's my insanity plea also btw it was my intrusive thoughts, xoxo" ?

there's a reason we are the outcasts of the animal kingdom and that is the ability to control our actions
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Nikokaro
Nikokaro
Lad, I encouraged you, and you attack me? How come? Anyway, you repeated what I have already said: one has an impulse, then reason intervenes to restrain it. I repeat: the question is whether a quick touching of the butt is to be considered sexual assault, harassment or a petty little thing.
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i don't have any obligation to excuse a dumb take, even if it would came from my closest friend.

anyways, yes, this is harassment. sexual or not, it is a violation of someone's personal space.
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KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
Sorry, German bluntness goes here:
That is a nonsense comparison, @tentacleKrill! Touching somebody is not the same as killing. Choosing the most extreme exaggeration to dismiss this question misses the point.

The initial question is valid:
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KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
What can be considered (sexual) harassment and what not – and is there something that can be called minor offense (compared to brutal rape). I'm pretty sensitive in this regard and have my own experiences with (non-sexual) violation of self-determination over the own body, but what is happening in this regard in the last few years is ridiculous to the point of mocking victims of cruel sexual violence.
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KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
If I wasn't that ugly I would maybe be afraid of getting harassed/offended/raped myself.
What @impeeza condensed into the – sadly questionable term – "Feminazi" is a big problem. These self-proclaimed agents of all women certainly do not represent me (or any other woman I know). The whole topic is overly complex and controversial…
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blah blah blah, i can't believe i'm talking to actual adults, you behave like a bunch of teenagers who require tonetags for the littlest thing.

i am not going to talk about the sexual aspect of it due to how easily it brings back my own, rather not-safe-for-anyone memories, but I think it's not farfetched to say it's harassment.

but keep making strawmans, i wish you best luck, bye!
KleinesSinchen
KleinesSinchen
…to the point that a small series of 420char posts can't remotely address a tiny fraction of all arguments in various directions. One thing ist clear, at least for me: Single sentences representing a personal opinion to not even come close to a convincing statement here.
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i just wonder - what has to happen so you fuckers will take someone 'seriously'? what, get raped straight in front of you or something?

i think you forget some people react different to things you can take as mundane or non-important :rofl2:
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