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<blockquote data-quote="kuwanger" data-source="post: 8527983" data-attributes="member: 45602"><p>Point one, we cared from day one. Just not not enough to risk American lives. Point two, no we shouldn't stand by and watch an adversarial country take over large parts of the war as part of global conquest, but that logic is what lead to the US fighting many wars in the 20th century. Meanwhile, the US itself is guilty of doing precisely the same thing--if democracy meant communism, we were more than happy to support dictatorship/fascism so long as it meant further US influence. Point three, Russia and China both are doing precisely the above and the US is doing near jack shit about it. Do we want to start WW3 to prevent WW3? I don't have the answer.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem with the Germany "what if" is that Germany "knew" it needed to win the war now and couldn't wait for some sort of WMD to be developed, so it's not really a sort of reasonable "what if" to argue. Having said that, it would have undoubtedly been quite terrible if Germany got the bomb first. About as bad or worse? If Germany and the US got the bomb around the same time. As for using an atomic bomb on "[just] a military target"? There's a reason they're called Weapons of Mass Destruction. Attacking Japan itself with a nuke for just military targets would have been nearly impossible--and let's acknowledge that like it or not, total war implies there aren't really any non-military targets. At sea, a nuke would have been mostly pointless and would never really drive home the message of just how bad nuclear weapons are.</p><p></p><p>In short, if you think using a nuke was necessary, then I don't see how they could have used it differently. As for one vs two? If you only use one and they don't surrender, it makes it look like it was a one shot deal. Using two makes it seem like you have plenty more to use.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kuwanger, post: 8527983, member: 45602"] Point one, we cared from day one. Just not not enough to risk American lives. Point two, no we shouldn't stand by and watch an adversarial country take over large parts of the war as part of global conquest, but that logic is what lead to the US fighting many wars in the 20th century. Meanwhile, the US itself is guilty of doing precisely the same thing--if democracy meant communism, we were more than happy to support dictatorship/fascism so long as it meant further US influence. Point three, Russia and China both are doing precisely the above and the US is doing near jack shit about it. Do we want to start WW3 to prevent WW3? I don't have the answer. The problem with the Germany "what if" is that Germany "knew" it needed to win the war now and couldn't wait for some sort of WMD to be developed, so it's not really a sort of reasonable "what if" to argue. Having said that, it would have undoubtedly been quite terrible if Germany got the bomb first. About as bad or worse? If Germany and the US got the bomb around the same time. As for using an atomic bomb on "[just] a military target"? There's a reason they're called Weapons of Mass Destruction. Attacking Japan itself with a nuke for just military targets would have been nearly impossible--and let's acknowledge that like it or not, total war implies there aren't really any non-military targets. At sea, a nuke would have been mostly pointless and would never really drive home the message of just how bad nuclear weapons are. In short, if you think using a nuke was necessary, then I don't see how they could have used it differently. As for one vs two? If you only use one and they don't surrender, it makes it look like it was a one shot deal. Using two makes it seem like you have plenty more to use. [/QUOTE]
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