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<blockquote data-quote="KleinesSinchen" data-source="post: 10334117" data-attributes="member: 445180"><p>How to start this? Maybe: Please stop using Google services? As if anybody would even consider this…</p><p></p><p>Well. I just stumbled upon this article: <a href="https://www.androidpolice.com/google-silently-removes-purchases-from-play-store-accounts/" target="_blank">Why is Google allowed to remove purchases from our Play Store accounts without telling us?</a></p><p></p><p>It is not the first time such a thing happened in the age of</p><p style="text-align: center"><img src="/styles/default/gbatemp/smileys/lecture.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":teach:" title="lecture :teach:" data-shortname=":teach:" /> <em><span style="font-size: 15px">“You didn’t buy […], but just a license that may be revoked due to TOS you agreed on!” </span>(Your fault for even complaining!)<img src="/styles/default/gbatemp/smileys/lecture.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":teach:" title="lecture :teach:" data-shortname=":teach:" /></em></p><p>Amazon did it 2009 with remote deletion of Nineteen Eighty-Four from Kindle devices (which is quite some irony…)</p><p></p><p>I have my doubt such TOS are valid in all cases and would stand the test when suing the big companies. Still many people seemingly worship those three letters and bring them in as explanation and justification for pretty much every impudence and invasive action imaginable. In what jurisdiction could a bought (not rented!) license be legally revoked by the marketplace that allowed selling the license (not even the rightsholder)?</p><p></p><p>Just the technical possibility to remove application remotely, no matter for whatever totally-fine-nothing-to-see-here-nothing-fishy-going-on reason <em>(“security, safety, think of the children”)</em> means exactly one thing: <strong>Somebody else has control over end users’ computers.</strong> Next time anybody comes around and starts defending practices such as locked bootloaders and hence prevention of custom operating systems for sake of security, I know what I will answer (and it is not safe for work)</p><p></p><p>“We would never do something evil – we promise. It is all for your best.”</p><p>If there is an interface for remote access by default… then this can be abused. Government organizations can abuse it. The vendor can abuse it. Unauthorized people (“hackers”) can abuse it. It could malfunction. Such a thing must not exist.</p><p>An operating system with unauthorized access possibilities (and yes, for me Google is unauthorized even *after* tapping on [agree] for some 100 pages of TOS) is not secure. Preinstalled unwanted and unauthorized <strong>R</strong>emote <strong>A</strong>dministration <strong>K</strong>it (RAT) or to be blunt: <strong>Malware.</strong></p><p></p><p>When thinking of the increasing number of everyday life things which somehow “require” a smartphone, often *with* the Google rubbish to be active (or even worse Apple) this scares me. I will not give up fighting for a life without permanent surveillance and external control. When having a Google Account becomes mandatory for everyday life something is wrong.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">How could it come as far as what feels like 99% of the population happily accepting all that locked down, not free machines that seem to have control over the user? Not the other way round as it should be.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KleinesSinchen, post: 10334117, member: 445180"] How to start this? Maybe: Please stop using Google services? As if anybody would even consider this… Well. I just stumbled upon this article: [URL='https://www.androidpolice.com/google-silently-removes-purchases-from-play-store-accounts/']Why is Google allowed to remove purchases from our Play Store accounts without telling us?[/URL] It is not the first time such a thing happened in the age of [CENTER]:teach: [I][SIZE=4]“You didn’t buy […], but just a license that may be revoked due to TOS you agreed on!” [/SIZE](Your fault for even complaining!):teach:[/I][/CENTER] Amazon did it 2009 with remote deletion of Nineteen Eighty-Four from Kindle devices (which is quite some irony…) I have my doubt such TOS are valid in all cases and would stand the test when suing the big companies. Still many people seemingly worship those three letters and bring them in as explanation and justification for pretty much every impudence and invasive action imaginable. In what jurisdiction could a bought (not rented!) license be legally revoked by the marketplace that allowed selling the license (not even the rightsholder)? Just the technical possibility to remove application remotely, no matter for whatever totally-fine-nothing-to-see-here-nothing-fishy-going-on reason [I](“security, safety, think of the children”)[/I] means exactly one thing: [B]Somebody else has control over end users’ computers.[/B] Next time anybody comes around and starts defending practices such as locked bootloaders and hence prevention of custom operating systems for sake of security, I know what I will answer (and it is not safe for work) “We would never do something evil – we promise. It is all for your best.” If there is an interface for remote access by default… then this can be abused. Government organizations can abuse it. The vendor can abuse it. Unauthorized people (“hackers”) can abuse it. It could malfunction. Such a thing must not exist. An operating system with unauthorized access possibilities (and yes, for me Google is unauthorized even *after* tapping on [agree] for some 100 pages of TOS) is not secure. Preinstalled unwanted and unauthorized [B]R[/B]emote [B]A[/B]dministration [B]K[/B]it (RAT) or to be blunt: [B]Malware.[/B] When thinking of the increasing number of everyday life things which somehow “require” a smartphone, often *with* the Google rubbish to be active (or even worse Apple) this scares me. I will not give up fighting for a life without permanent surveillance and external control. When having a Google Account becomes mandatory for everyday life something is wrong. [SIZE=4]How could it come as far as what feels like 99% of the population happily accepting all that locked down, not free machines that seem to have control over the user? Not the other way round as it should be.[/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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