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<blockquote data-quote="Foxi4" data-source="post: 7967539" data-attributes="member: 203855"><p>At the very least you are saying that such overreach is worrying, and that's a bigger concession than I expected, so thank you for having an open mind. You also misinterpret what I'm saying - I don't trust companies either. The reason why they're in business is to make money, that's what they want from me, so I'm sure they will lobby to have more avenues of getting money from me and that's precisely why I don't want the government to have the capacity of giving them those avenues. I am in a reciprocal relationship with my ISP - I pay for service and the ISP renders the service. I am not in a reciprocal relationship with the government - the government says what's legal and what's not, takes my money in taxes and that's that. I can change my ISP at will if I want to, I can't change my government to what suits me unless 150+ million people agree with me, and that's just not happening. I have a consensual agreement with my ISP, I have no agreement with the government, I'm merely coerced to do certain things. Between the two I will err on the side of less government rather than more government. I fully understand that this is a position you cannot reconcile with and that's fine - you believe that you deserve certain freedoms and the government grants them to you, I believe that you inherently have freedoms, the government exists to protect them and the moment they start curbing them, regardless of whether you're in the 99% or the 1%, that's inherently wrong. Those views are incompatible and that's also fine, just know that I have good reasons to believe what I believe.</p><p>That's absolutely true and it's specifically due to local governments engaging in pay to play schemes and regional coverage deals as well as the federal government burning money through subsidies to "expand coverage", subsidies that reach the big corporate giants, but fly over the heads of small, local Internet cowboys. The answer to that is less government, not more government, because it's the government installing those monopolies in the first place.</p><p>I will happily make that concession on the proviso that you agree that there's no such thing as "illegal speech", there's only speech that you don't like, and the government should not be involved in the proliferation of content on the Internet. As I said earlier, should a crime occur, as in the instance of "kiddie porn", the local law enforcement is entitled to find and prosecute the offender, pursuant to the law of the land. What I don't want is the government being in charge of what can and can't be said online because they're the ones dictating what is and is not illegal in the first place, and that's a loaded gun waiting to be fired at me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Foxi4, post: 7967539, member: 203855"] At the very least you are saying that such overreach is worrying, and that's a bigger concession than I expected, so thank you for having an open mind. You also misinterpret what I'm saying - I don't trust companies either. The reason why they're in business is to make money, that's what they want from me, so I'm sure they will lobby to have more avenues of getting money from me and that's precisely why I don't want the government to have the capacity of giving them those avenues. I am in a reciprocal relationship with my ISP - I pay for service and the ISP renders the service. I am not in a reciprocal relationship with the government - the government says what's legal and what's not, takes my money in taxes and that's that. I can change my ISP at will if I want to, I can't change my government to what suits me unless 150+ million people agree with me, and that's just not happening. I have a consensual agreement with my ISP, I have no agreement with the government, I'm merely coerced to do certain things. Between the two I will err on the side of less government rather than more government. I fully understand that this is a position you cannot reconcile with and that's fine - you believe that you deserve certain freedoms and the government grants them to you, I believe that you inherently have freedoms, the government exists to protect them and the moment they start curbing them, regardless of whether you're in the 99% or the 1%, that's inherently wrong. Those views are incompatible and that's also fine, just know that I have good reasons to believe what I believe. That's absolutely true and it's specifically due to local governments engaging in pay to play schemes and regional coverage deals as well as the federal government burning money through subsidies to "expand coverage", subsidies that reach the big corporate giants, but fly over the heads of small, local Internet cowboys. The answer to that is less government, not more government, because it's the government installing those monopolies in the first place. I will happily make that concession on the proviso that you agree that there's no such thing as "illegal speech", there's only speech that you don't like, and the government should not be involved in the proliferation of content on the Internet. As I said earlier, should a crime occur, as in the instance of "kiddie porn", the local law enforcement is entitled to find and prosecute the offender, pursuant to the law of the land. What I don't want is the government being in charge of what can and can't be said online because they're the ones dictating what is and is not illegal in the first place, and that's a loaded gun waiting to be fired at me. [/QUOTE]
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