Boy or Girl?

[quote name='P-CHYLD' post='3603517' date='Apr 21 2011, 06:31 PM'][quote name='jceggbert5' post='3602771' date='Apr 20 2011, 10:44 PM']Also, I do hope that you know that 'gender change' is just completely wrong. If you don't know that, it is. It's a crime against nature and a sin. [/quote]
Yes and will burn in hell for eternity.
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You guys are funny.

Gender change is not a sin againts any religion in the whole wide world, much like cross-dressing isn't. Most religions started off in the age when nobody even dreamed of changing gender.

It's unfair only to your future partner if he/she will be unaware of it when you start dating.

If anything, a gender swap is a sign of simply not accepting who you are and a very extreme "change". Is it wrong? Of course not. If it'll make you feel better, go ahead.

Remember though, born a man, always a man. Born a woman, always a woman. Physical appereance is one thing, biology is another.

[quote name='Foxi4' post='3603540' date='Apr 21 2011, 08:45 AM']Remember though, born a man, always a man. Born a woman, always a woman. Physical appereance is one thing, biology is another.[/quote]

That may be your opinion, but it's not particularly welcome here or necessary in this thread. Please refrain from spreading hate towards ANY of of our members.

[quote name='Foxi4' post='3603540' date='Apr 21 2011, 05:45 PM']Gender change is not a sin againts any religion in the whole wide world, much like cross-dressing isn't. Most religions started off in the age when nobody even dreamed of changing gender.

It's unfair only to your future partner if he/she will be unaware of it when you start dating.

If anything, a gender swap is a sign of simply not accepting who you are and a very extreme "change". Is it wrong? Of course not. If it'll make you feel better, go ahead.

Remember though, born a man, always a man. Born a woman, always a woman. Physical appereance is one thing, biology is another.[/quote]

What if you are born woman in a mans body?

At first glance: girl.

On closer inspection: boy

First I thought that what makes you a girl is not only the gender or your facial appearance, but also how you talk, how you walk, your way to do things everyday.
I wanted to know if you already had feminine gesture or still had masculine one, but I think you said you always thought about yourself as a woman.
So I think you are already acting as a woman from the beginning, it's not like you decided to change but more like you are finally what you always felt.

I know that it's possible to be physically a man without having Y chromosomes (called "XX male syndrome". yeah, nature does weird things sometime).
Did you have any medical analysis, like chromosome checks ?

Is there some medical parameters that would have make the gender-change impossible?

May I ask about your family reaction over the gender-change decision, and about the surgery itself ?

Sorry if these are too personal. Just don't answer if you don't want.


About your current facial and hair appearance, I find that you try too much to looks like a woman by putting more makeups than necessary. I just think it feels unnatural on you.
Darken makeup on your lighter skin looks too contrasted.
Well, that's just me, I'm not a makeup lover, don't take it badly
I think another haircut, with longer and straight hairs, would makes you look better, maybe you just recently let them grow? it's in a mid-state, not long not short.

On this pictures I think you look more feminine than the other ones.
Hormonal treatment should change your face in the good way.


Thanks for the informative post, Lilsypha.

To be extremely honest.
I don't think you're either a boy or a girl, you look like some sort of human statue (Sorry, I know O_O) Your skin color on your face (probably make-up?) is extremely unnatural, I suggest you use a bit less next time?
First impression was 'I don't really know'
Second look, I thought you're a boy... You look very girly, but still a lot like a boy (mostly your facial.. stuff..?)
You still do look very girly. I wasn't close to be sure about you being a boy.
But really, you do still look like a boy somewhat

You look like a girl but....
Please change your ava, its... Creepy

Your face look like a girl, but your body dont, your pretty.

[quote name='lilsypha' post='3603550' date='Apr 21 2011, 11:49 AM'][quote name='Foxi4' post='3603540' date='Apr 21 2011, 08:45 AM']Remember though, born a man, always a man. Born a woman, always a woman. Physical appereance is one thing, biology is another.[/quote]

That may be your opinion, but it's not particularly welcome here or necessary in this thread. Please refrain from spreading hate towards ANY of of our members.
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I can understand what is being said here and I dont think tht Foxi4 meant any offense. I can take it one step further and I sincerely mean no offense. A better way to state it is that even though you look and feel like the gender you have become, genetically and scientifically, your make up is the same from birth. That has no determination on who and what you are as a person, purely biological, and who cares about that anyway.

Now, my opinion to penguindefender. I really thought you were a girl from the first picture, I didnt look very closely so it wasnt a big deal. This is, as it has been said in previous posts, the way most people are. Unobservant. I can say, that as I am not looking at detail, I am one of those people who looks at every face when I am in a room or in public and I never forget a face. I am glad that yours has been added to my memory. Eyes are the first thing I notice(really) and you do have beautiful eyes. Congrats on the choice you have made and I wish you all the happiness in life. This isnt the way you were born, appearance wise, it is how you are as a person and what you want to be. I hope that this post hasnt offended penguindefender, lilsypha or anyone else because this is my honest and sincere opinion and I respect anyone who knows who and what they want to be and pursues it. It can be painful and time consuming but if it makes you happy in the end, that is what matters.

Spelling edits.

I was completely unaware of you having a sex change before I read this topic, so this is coming from someone who was completely in the dark about your gender.

For the first two pictures, I could tell you was a guy. Your body in general (moreso with the clothes) hinted towards being a female, but the face and the eyes completely gave it away for me. There wasn't any hesitation in deciding that.

As for the third picture? It's a major improvement - your progress is only going to get better from here, too. It's just...looking at your face tells me that you're a guy (were, to be accurate). I'm not deliberately looking for clues, either - it just seems boyish to me. I suppose I'm in the minority here, though - you are honestly progressing very well!

If I was walking down the street and quickly glanced at you, I'd see a girl no problem. But actually looking at the pictures, I can see some things that show the opposite sex. What stood out for me the most was the cheek bones, and the area around the upper lip and nose. Other than that, I would definitely have trouble seeing you as a guy.

I was completely unaware of you having a sex change before I read this topic, so this is coming from someone who was completely in the dark about your gender.

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Same... to be honest, never seen the user before this lol.

[quote name='CrimzonEyed' post='3603557' date='Apr 21 2011, 06:51 PM'][quote name='Foxi4' post='3603540' date='Apr 21 2011, 05:45 PM']Gender change is not a sin againts any religion in the whole wide world, much like cross-dressing isn't. Most religions started off in the age when nobody even dreamed of changing gender.

It's unfair only to your future partner if he/she will be unaware of it when you start dating.

If anything, a gender swap is a sign of simply not accepting who you are and a very extreme "change". Is it wrong? Of course not. If it'll make you feel better, go ahead.

Remember though, born a man, always a man. Born a woman, always a woman. Physical appereance is one thing, biology is another.[/quote]

What if you are born woman in a mans body?
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@Supervisor Lilsypha No hate intended. I'm just speaking from a purely scientific point of view - a gender change changes the appereance of a given person, but the internal organs remain the same. You don't really become a man or a woman, you just change your appereance. It's plastic surgery, not magic.

@CrimzonEyed No such thing. Either you accept who you are or you don't. It's a psychological issue. Not an illness by no means, but an issue none the less. If you'll feel better when you "look" like the gender you want to be - cool. Go ahead.

@Impizkit Thank you for making my point of view more "clear" to the others and for defending me.

Underlining again - not hate talk. Science.

You are welcome to do whatever you want with your body - it's your own property. It's better not to be delusional though. Reproductive functions will not magically change from the man's to the woman's or the other way around. You won't grow testicles/ovaries.

That's also a reason to be dead-againts calling it "gender" or "sex" change. Your sex does not change at all - call it false advertisement.

[quote name='Foxi4' post='3603896' date='Apr 21 2011, 09:29 PM']That's also a reason to be dead-againts calling it "gender" or "sex" change. Your sex does not change at all - call it false advertisement.[/quote]
That's a good point, actually. Sex refers to the biological differences between a male and female, whereas gender is referred to as the 'masculine' and 'feminine' perspectives of being a man or a woman.

You don't get the full "masculinity" or "femininity" package either - you still can't ejaculate and you still don't get periods/can't get pregnant, so your "gender" is "modified", but not "swapped"... I hope that the point I'm clumsily trying to convey is clear.

It definitely is - essentially, the change is primarily in appearance only - but that single modification is what makes a life-changing difference in many.

That is true. If it makes anyone's life more comfortable and pleasing, I say: "do eeeet".

I'd like that person to be sincere with their future partner though. Otherwise it's just being unfair towards the one you harbour feelings to. Personally I'd feel awkward and uncomfortable knowing that my future girlfriend could've been my future boyfriend if I met her a year ago.

So Foxi4, you're saying that when SHE gets married to a guy, she won't get pregnant??

@penguindefender:- yay for headlights, nice ones at that! Anyways, won't you feel weird when you get married to a guy??

Clarification - a man who "changed his sex" to "female" and marries another man will not get pregnant. He won't grow ovaries, he won't grow a uterus. He will still lack the necessary reproductive organs to become pregnant.

A woman who "changed her sex" to "male" may have children if she stops her hormonal treatment. It can be achieved via artificial insemination, aka "In vitro". Many couples do that when the "wife" in the relationship happens to be infertile.

Oddly enough, the only case when a man who "changed sex" can have children is when he meets a woman who "changed sex" and wants one too and is lucky enough to still have testicles OR froze some of his semen in a sperm bank.

That is, of course, if the relationship is heterosexual. Make your own calculations for a homosexual one, surely you get the gist of it by now.

It's also worth to mention that those operations are usually irreversible for men, unless the doctor figures out a way to sucessfuly hide the testicles within the patient. Mostly they are removed though to stop the flow of testosterone. They're reversible for women though, but the body does take the toll anyways due to male hormone therapy.

Whew... I DO remember something from back when I was in high school. Awesome.

[quote name='Foxi4' post='3603943' date='Apr 21 2011, 04:06 PM']Mostly they are removed though to stop the flow of testosterone.[/quote]
That gave me a sick feeling in my stomach.