Being Trans

osaka35 · Oct 25, 2016

Attacker3 said:
Is a mental disorder. Get over it and stop making it out to be normal.

ADHD is not normal. I have it, and I have a disorder. I don't want people to think it's normal since it's not very fun to have, and I have to control it.

I have nothing against trans people. They can do whatever the hell they want, I just don't want people thinking it is normal.

I understand the perspective you're coming from. It is something that happens when genetics or environment are different than what we think are the "correct" way and expression.

But the bad side of that logic is that anything we see as falling outside of the "norm" is automatically "bad", "wrong", or "incorrect". ADHD prevents you from doing certain things, that's why you want to try and make it not a thing through medication or therapy. It creates disorder in your life and it's something you want to fix. It's not wrong, it's not bad, it's just something you have to accommodate.

But being trans doesn't prevent you from doing certain things. It's just how your body chose to express your genetics. Even if you can't see past the idea that it's "unusual", at least don't think of it as damage, as something wrong, or something to be fixed.

RustInPeace · Oct 25, 2016

Attacker3 said:
I don't want people to think it's normal since it's not very fun to have, and I have to control it.

By that same logic, you're assuming trans people have to control being trans, that it's not very fun to be trans?

Attacker3 said:
They can do whatever the hell they want, I just don't want people thinking it is normal.

Normal's a subjective term, I would argue being trans has grown to be "normal."

I'm curious what you think of people who are attracted (sexually and romantically) to transwomen, such as myself, or transmen.

Attacker3 · Oct 25, 2016

osaka35 said:
I understand the perspective you're coming from. It is something that happens when genetics or environment are different than what we think are the "correct" way and expression.

But the bad side of that logic is that anything we see as falling outside of the "norm" is automatically "bad", "wrong", or "incorrect". ADHD prevents you from doing certain things, that's why you want to try and make it not a thing through medication or therapy. It creates disorder in your life and it's something you want to fix. It's not wrong, it's not bad, it's just something you have to accommodate.

But being trans doesn't prevent you from doing certain things. It's just how your body chose to express your genetics. Even if you can't see past the idea that it's "unusual", at least don't think of it as damage, as something wrong, or something to be fixed.

It does need to be cured, like ADHD, autism, and other stuff like that. The current treatment we have now is transitioning, but it is not healthy to want to cut off your genitals.

SnakeOil992 · Oct 25, 2016

You can only call it ''not normal'' if it hurts you or society. And last time I checked, chicks with dicks don't hurt anyone. It's their choice. Now, I don't support gay parades but it's not about hating gay people or ANYTHING like that. It's about weird things happening when they take place(Which would be weird in a straight parade too). That's all.

Clydefrosch · Oct 25, 2016

Attacker3 said:
Is a mental disorder. Get over it and stop making it out to be normal.

ADHD is not normal. I have it, and I have a disorder. I don't want people to think it's normal since it's not very fun to have, and I have to control it.

I have nothing against trans people. They can do whatever the hell they want, I just don't want people thinking it is normal.

well, i have nothing against you.
I just don't want people thinking you're not just hating and a whiny bitch.

SnakeOil992 · Oct 25, 2016

You can only call it ''not normal'' if it hurts you or society. And last time I checked, chicks with dicks don't hurt anyone. It's their choice. Now, I don't support gay parades but it's not about hating gay people or ANYTHING like that. It's about weird things happening when they take place(Which would be weird in a straight parade too). That's all.

Clydefrosch · Oct 25, 2016

Elysium420 said:
You can only call it ''not normal'' if it hurts you or society. And last time I checked, chicks with dicks don't hurt anyone. It's their choice. Now, I don't support gay parades but it's not about hating gay people or ANYTHING like that. It's about weird things happening when they take place(Which would be weird in a straight parade too). That's all.

what weird things do happen and which ones did you actually not just hear happening on 4chan?

Attacker3 · Oct 25, 2016

Elysium420 said:
You can only call it ''not normal'' if it hurts you or society. And last time I checked, chicks with dicks don't hurt anyone. It's their choice. Now, I don't support gay parades but it's not about hating gay people or ANYTHING like that. It's about weird things happening when they take place(Which would be weird in a straight parade too). That's all.

Gender reassignment surgery hurts you. You cut off your sexual organs.

osaka35 · Oct 25, 2016

Attacker3 said:
It does need to be cured, like ADHD, autism, and other stuff like that. The current treatment we have now is transitioning, but it is not healthy to want to cut off your genitals.

That's not a "treatment" for trans, that's satisfying a personal need that comes out of personality and personal identity.

Gizametalman · Oct 25, 2016

Is not like a disorder... is not even mental. Is not even psychological.
Actually, these "disorders" happens because hormones and chromosoms. So actually, is something biological and natural/normal in certain individuals. It's written in their genetics.
In fact, many doctors calls it a Gene Mutation.

Is not like someone woke up with desires of suddenly being different.

RustInPeace · Oct 25, 2016

Attacker3 said:
Gender reassignment surgery hurts you. You cut off your sexual organs.

Not every trans person does that though. I don't find anything you're saying worth respecting when it's all just overly broad and stubborn generalizations.

Depravo · Oct 25, 2016

Attacker3 said:
I have nothing against trans people. They can do whatever the hell they want, I just don't want people thinking it is normal.

If people can do whatever the hell they want then what if they want to think trans people are normal?

Mollycule · Oct 25, 2016

Let me stop you there.

It's all subjective to the norm, the norm being a system of people that fit in certain roles.

People aren't either trans or not trans, it's a spectrum, you can fall at either end or anywhere between.

There have been people that fit the same category as one would put transgenders today for centuries, some ancient societies even revered them as special because of their understanding of both sides of the spectrum, before you go spouting second hand opinions do some real work on the facts behind human genetics.

Attacker3 · Oct 25, 2016

osaka35 said:
That's not a "treatment" for trans, that's satisfying a personal need that comes out of personality and personal identity.

It is not personal identity. It is a disorder, something that went wrong in the development of your brain. You can't help it, so do what you must to satisfy yourself.

I just don't want people thinking it's a trait that happens with someone who had a perfect development as a child.

Clydefrosch · Oct 25, 2016

Attacker3 said:
Gender reassignment surgery hurts you. You cut off your sexual organs.

heart surgery hurts to. you have to break open your ribcage to have it done.

its still probably for the better if you have a heart condition

SnakeOil992 · Oct 25, 2016

Clydefrosch said:
what weird things do happen and which ones did you actually not just hear happening on 4chan?

I never said anything about 4chan. I'm talking about weird sexual stuff publicly. These parades don't need to exist. Anyone can live a normal life without showing off his/her sexuality, straight or gay.

Attacker3 said:
Gender reassignment surgery hurts you. You cut off your sexual organs.

Still, their choice.

Clydefrosch · Oct 25, 2016

Attacker3 said:
It is not personal identity. It is a disorder, something that went wrong in the development of your brain. You can't help it, so do what you must to satisfy yourself.

I just don't want people thinking it's a trait that happens with someone who had a perfect development as a child.

and what went wrong in the development of your brain that this matters so much to you?

Attacker3 · Oct 25, 2016

Nyanners said:
Let me stop you there.

It's all subjective to the norm, the norm being a system of people that fit in certain roles.

People aren't either trans or not trans, it's a spectrum, you can fall at either end or anywhere between.

There have been people that fit the same category as one would put transgenders today for centuries, some ancient societies even revered them as special because of their understanding of both sides of the spectrum, before you go spouting second hand opinions do some real work on the facts behind human genetics.

That spectrum bullshit is not correct and you should know it. Even I know that the gender fluid shit is just attention whoring shit for little snowflakes who want attention.

There are 2 genders. Male, and female. Sometimes a disorder occurs and you want to go to the opposite gender.

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Elysium420 said:
I never said anything about 4chan. I'm talking about weird sexual stuff publicly. These parades don't need to exist. Anyone can live a normal life without showing off his/her sexuality, straight or gay.

Still, their choice.

I know.

evandixon · Oct 25, 2016

It's important to note that Gender Identity Disorder is listed in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, a popular publication used by professional psychologists), so it is considered a disorder by professionals.

On a semi-related side note, homosexuality used to be in the DSM, but was removed on the grounds that the happiness of homosexuals and heterosexuals was essentially the same and didn't qualify as a "disorder".

Attacker3 · Oct 25, 2016

Depravo said:
If people can do whatever the hell they want then what if they want to think trans people are normal?

Then they would be kidding themselves.

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