Millennials (an epistemology)

Long overdue - written with a smirk. :)

Three types.

1. A millennial walks into a hobbyist club (/or an online web forum - you decide), announces "Hey my sh*t is broke", smiles and waits for someone to do something about it.

Key components: Has no idea how to help the situation in any way. Has no deeper understanding about the issue (hasnt even googled it). Never is part of the solution. But has an extreme sense of self worth and an unfaltering believe that they are at the exact right point in time - and will be helped any minute now. Surely. Thanks.

Also - might "nice-bomb" others for as long as he/she thinks, they are on the verge of getting something for free. Also, might do it if they think that you are more famous than them. And be it even on a "youtube famous" level. ;) Is in awe of celebrity, not intellect.

2. Grew up in an environment, where the web already was commercialized to the bahookies, takes pictures of food, likes fake smiles, brands and safe spaces - because a barbie dreamworld default of social interaction is just the upper limit of life complexity he/she needs to gloss over the fact, that people demanding those defaults never are especially bright or socially engaged.

Labels any negative emotion/situation with the term "toxic", to signal to peers how much they will distance themselves from all stuff that isnt fake smiles, brands and free services - like soo much, they even will not think about those things in actual terms - pulling a reverse Voldemort and self censoring even the thought and all possible subsequent discussions on how to tackle actual issues.

An expert in character assassination, because thats the way everyone wins like 93% of their arguments online - thanks to everscrolling feeds, where arguments simply are gone in three, two, one... but the emotional notion sticks.

Wants a safe PC speech online environment, but will participate in any shitstorm at a moments notice.

3. Disconnectedly only doing their job, ("more conservative than their parents") - like censoring posts in a webforum under a general "offtopic label" excuse, while prolonging structures where people voluntarily are participating to get abused by a larger subset of peers - for the benefit of people only providing a loose structure (virtual reputation systems - look how many likes/votes/posts/clicks!) to profit from. Then being very engaged in social issues, that never ever would matter in their own lives - kind of "playing social activist" without having to change or do anything, really.

Also - as soon as someone plays the "maybe we should do something about it" card like - "raising awareness" or actually contemplate behaviors that might not be as destructive for a larger part of a specific community - censor, ban and defame them. So that no one gets any ideas - that things could actually be any different.
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This is pretty much the "cliche" image of millennial I've come to carry around with me.

I would be interested in discarding it though, so heres a first attempt at also seeing the other perspective.

Lead in question into a discussion would be: Have you ever experienced an internet community, where most people werent in it for the "service request", a youtube subscription rank, a trendy social goal, or to "virtue signal optimize" their social media profile?

But you don't have to take the bait, you could write about entirely different perspectives and experiences as well. I promise I'll read them. I'm actually interested in how others see/react to this proclaimed image. :)

Also - as the initial topic is enough provocation for an entire threat, I vouch to stop all provocation in here from this point onward. As I'd actually be interested in a somewhat PC held discussion about those themes.
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It's actually pretty crazy. Some of my kids parents are millennials, but most aren't. These categories aren't exclusive to any one group. The things I've heard people say and the way they act is... Eye opening, to say the least.

Entertaining, sometimes. Terrifying, most of the time.
 
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So OP, I assume you're not a millennial? But if you're extrapolating subsets and tropes of a group of people, I assume you're not a gen X'er, as they're far too lazy to create a post discussing this.
 
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Millennials can be compared to the pig breeding. Conditioned to feed the economy and to promote the economic growth, that is so much needed by the modern national economies.
A helpless, egocentric subject, that relies on everything as a service, and is willing to sacrifice everything of materialistic or non-materialistic character, as long as he/she can maintain a fabricated self-perception.

But I'm not blaming it completely on them. As Georg Büchner (German Author, 1813,1837) said once: "In a society, that is constantly pushing forward, if you stand still for a while, you will be scrunched, and your resistance will be forgotten". They are just too afraid of being scrunched or forgotten.
 
To give you some attack/reflection surface as well - this is where I am coming from. :)

Read an article in a left leaning newspaper today, that proclaimed "Yes, the Lehman crisis could repeat, the structures didnt change much, but dont be too angry - its actually not that easy...". (Actually it is. Solution was to give guarantees based on personal savings of entire countries populations, which - as a result - brought investment drive to a standstill - then change none of the power structures, only some of the incentive structures (but also only based on predictive modeling (risk mitigation), and give Netflix and much, much dumber movies than in the 90s to a generation of people that was growing up during that. (To be fair, the "studio movie" formula wasnt as refined then.))

Read the New Yorker op ed (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...rberg-fix-facebook-before-it-breaks-democracy) about Mark Zuckerberg ("The one really famous millennial, be proud..." ;) ) a few days ago, that basically proclaimed - social control and nudging are really swell - but we are still figuring out the kinks. Also don't ask Mark about it, he thinks hes a genius.

Had a conversation with an older family member that thought that Facebook censorship would be "what local governments do", and had to explain to them that this was outsourced to cheap labor workers in the Philippines which now handle "global Facebook culture management" (still differs in some regions), without western work or social care standards. Thought a bit about the "we want someone to explain the facebook defaults to us" vs. "defaults are purposefully crafted to not be used correctly" fallacy.

Read the following @Snowden retweet: and thought about the fact, that this is not necessarily big news, four years after every newspaper was full of stories about him as a person and what he had done.

In between pondered ever so slightly about the fact that populism and fascism are on the rise again, like you do.

Then came into this forum and read three "it doesnt work for me, someone fix" postings, and basically had it for today. ;)
 
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You know, members of a generation think they're superior to the next one. And that isn't anything new.
It's almost like you're being discriminated based on something you can't control... Wait.
 
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On another website a user kept referring to the Generation Z as "iGeneration" and god, that made me imagine that the Gen Z were just a bunch of cattle that belongs to Apple. The dude was so thick he didn't even realize how he was insulting an entire generation.
 
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@JellyPerson
Actually Millennials were born between 81-96, I am a Millennial. Millennials aren't teens, they are adults now and most the stereotypes around us are mostly based on what people hear about us through social media, mixed in the actions of current teens that everyone thinks are "Millennials" (when they are actually iGen,) and overblown due the "Them kids these days" mindset. Majority of the mythology around Millennials is based on a lack of understand when it starts and when it ends. Coupled with the older generations continue to push this lack of understanding of Millennials as fact, when it's mostly unfounded stereotypes based on exaggeration.
 
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You have some strange obsession with millenials. Every single post you make in this forum starts off on-topic before decending into a weird, off-topic irrelevent rant about millenials. Why is this? Why do you find it impossible to talk about something without thinking about millenials?

Whatever point you are trying to make ends up being tarnished because of how you bring millenials up at every possible moment, regardless of what the topic is. It ends up sounding just strange.
 
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@sj33
It seems like the OP is using the term as a replacement "snowflakes," "entitlement," and the like. Most likely because they only know of the Millennials what they read online and never put much effort into actually meeting people and or have no idea what a Millennial really is. Basically most men in their 40's yelling at a computer screen these days.
 
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I hate to post so much, but just to address some comments.
1: Having worked retail for well over 6 years now, I can tell you that your first stereotype is mostly wrong in most cases. Majority of the customers who came to my store that come up and demand help are almost always Baby Boomers. When I was the Wireless manager, the majority of customers who demanded assistance from me were almost always Baby Boomers. I rarely had Millennials, Gen X, nor iGens be as pushy, demanding, and self-centered as Baby Boomers are (although a lot more genxes are getting there.) Maybe there are cases different from my own, but considering how many people I've talked to with the same experiences across different customer service jobs, I feel like my cases aren't very isolated.

The notion of "nice bombs," have you ever considered that maybe Millennials are just trying to nice to people because if even attempt to be anything other than nice, it's thrown back in our faces? The second anyone in my generation gets a backbone it's shattered almost imminently by older generations who suddenly decide now we are being "disrespectful" and "childish." And everything we do just gets shit on by older generations who decided that their generations were the best generations.

2: Majority of what you mentioned here were based on trends (like taking picture of food) and or based on the previous statement I made. If we don't fake a smile, then suddenly we are "snowflakes that can't handle the real world." If we complain about being treated like shit suddenly it's "They just want a safe space and censor everything." Your entire second example is onto the reason why we have fake a smile. Of course attempting to actually do something about this only gets thrown back at us just like what you are doing now. Of course by me mentioning this now, I am now going to be seen the example given. This is just a circular reason fallacy coupled with a strawman fallacy.

3: Majority of what you are talking about here just sounds like you are butthurt over the TOS of sites. If you actually post something that has nothing to do with the topic, then it's off topic and thus is removed. That's not a generational thing, most sites have had rules like that since the dawn the the online forums. As for the notion of social advocacy, that's also not a generational thing. People have been doing that since social issues were a thing. Men helped in the women's suffrage movement, straight people help with the LGBT+, so on and so forth. Just because a movement doesn't involve someone doesn't mean they can't be an advocate of that movement nor is this notion exclusive to just one generation.
The notion of censoring and banning someone is also not exclusive to this generation and has been a practice for pretty much all of human history, this is a strawman argument.

This entire blog is onto itself a cliché argument mostly built up on stereotypes, strawmans, and circular logic. It's pretty obvious that you got most of these ideas from social media and reading articles online that appealed to your own bias that lead you to this mindset.
 
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For those that havent run into me here, I have to explain, that I fall into the "millennial" demographic as well.

Also - this is a text that wants to talk especially about peoples self perspective and motivations in the online space. Because thats where we are conversing right now. :)

Also - the character assassination attempts already started (apparently I have to be a looser in my 40s that doesn't have any real friends, because I think that the typical guy/gal in my agegroup behaves like this online.. ;) ). Not exactly snowflakes at work here... ;)
 
Also diversion tactics at work already. "Why cant you talk about other topics?" And not ever mention the elephant in the room.

Because I see this social interaction going on in here daily.

And actually don't necessarily want to conform to it. Thats actually the reason.
 
@Lilith Valentine The cutoff point for being a millennial is different depending on who you ask and where you look. I've seen dates from 96 all the way to 05. You say the next generation is called "iGen", probably referring to the fact that they grew up in a digital age with smart phones. If that's the case, I'd say you're a millennial if you grew up without smartphones and digital TV. So I'd say people born in 2000 would still fit the bill for being considered a millennial.
 
@notimp
You put yourself up as someone outside of the generation and then presented these arguments as an outsider. No one is attacking your character by pointing out the flaws in these arguments nor is anyone using diversion tactics when pointing out the issues here. Going off what information has already been provided it's safe to assume that:
1: You didn't belong to the Millennials generation and thus must be someone in their late 30's to 40's
2: Your arguments are the same ones used over and over again, so much so that they are almost the same as the one joked about in Family Guy and South Park. This despite the obvious holes in these arguments.
3: You were the one who decided to make this public blog post, thus you opened yourself up to community reaction. A community that is mostly made up of Millennials and iGens, might I add.

Honestly it just seems like you made this blog just to get reactions and circle back with "Ha, see! I was right along!" when people didn't agree with your flawed arguments. Then of course present anyone who notes the flaws as an example of "attack on your character."

@Supster131
Honestly I just went with the most universally accepted timeline, which was 81-96. The name given is for those who started to enter adulthood in the 2000's, not those who were born it according to what most sources say. Some I've seen jump it forward to 96-05, but that seems to be less agreed upon. As for iGen, that's once again just something I've found seems to be the most agreed upon name and the years 96-05 seems to be the agreed upon time frame for them. I am only going off what I can find as being the most widely accepted terms/years.
 
Ugh, can we just all agree that notimp is right about these things. I don't know where you live @Lilith Valentine , but if you live in a big city or any metro area, it is pretty hard to deny that the millennial generation is distinctly flawed on a social level. @notimp It's hard to say whats caused this. I don't think we would be in this mess if it were not for the inflated importance of social verification. People get on twitter and facebook every day with the purpose of pushing a fake persona to get validation from the equally fake personas of their friends. The generation cares too much about whether or not others like them. Social media should have only been used for long distance family relationships, what it's become now is a cancer to the psyche of young people everywhere.

On a side note:
"Thanks Facebook, for ignoring my blocks and showing me my ex anyways. I really needed that panic attack"
- Lilith Valentine's signature at time of writing. (HMMMMMMMM.... wonder if she is a millennial.....) (Wonder what color they died their hair......)

I wouldn't take her too seriously Notimp, you can tell you struck her where it hurts, each post she has made only affirms everything you state about millennials.
My recommendation to all millennials.. Delete all social media accounts for a month and spend as much time getting to know your family as you can.
(It is not too late to realize what is truly important.)

I say all of this while also being a millennial. The people who are most vocal represent our generation, but people like you @notimp realize the value in being real even if it means being unpopular.
Respect
 
@Flavindapple
I can see that you don't know much about me and decided to go directly for my last status update. That status update was made when I realized that my abusive ex of ten years had decided to make an attempt to get my attention after months of me trying to get my life back together far away from him. Me venting on GBATemp over this was because I thought I had blocked his main account, when it was actually a dope and I have no idea how long he had been watching me and what he now knows about my current life. This issue wasn't about Facebook, Facebook just happened to be media he used in an attempt to contact me because I made a mistake. Regardless attacking me when you don't know the full story is a shit move.
It's worth noting that I don't color my hair because I don't like to. Even if I did, why would it matter?
My signature? Because I think Octolings are adorable? Because I use Solus Linux and proudly show that because I think Solus Linux needs more love? Because I use the two projects that I was deeply involved in? What is the issue with my signature?
You aren't actually bringing any real argument to the table because you don't have one outside of just surface skimming of my account, which was just an ad hominem.
I actually only have a Facebook account because I live half way across the the country and often don't have a lot of time to call my family. Along with the fact that my grandmother is deaf, so I can only talk to her through text. I use my account to keep in touch with my friends and family that I was convinced by my ex to move away from and now I lack the means of returning to them. I keep up an attempt to post here and there because my family worries about me and me being active put them at ease because they know I am doing ok. I do still call them, but being that I work full-time 3rd shift I often lack any real time between shifts to manage my personal life and often only have any real downtime extremely late on my nights off. Which even then those times are filled with studying and personal projects, I don't have much downtime in my life. I am only active on the Temp, that's it.

Great logic you have there and only proved my own point. Attempting to refuse blanket claims is only met with accusations of that person being hurt. So if I say something, then I am somehow hurt by these comments, unless I agree with them. When in reality these are just blanket statements based on personal opinions, I disagreed with them, and decided to say something. Another person's opinion doesn't harm me, even ones that I vocally disagree with.
 
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I mostly agree with everything you have written @notimp

"Then being very engaged in social issues, that never ever would matter in their own lives - kind of "playing social activist" without having to change or do anything, really."
This is very true.
Still, while i see millennials as a social issue in many ways, i don't think being upset about it is any good for anyone if that isn't going to change much or anything, even if we are indeed right about it.
We may have our way to look at people and the world around us, but still if anything it should help us deal with it the best way we can, instead of just being sad, hopeless and depressed about it and thinking how it will just never change.

While stereotypes are many times real, people can be more than just stereotypes.
Someone may have a facebook, instagram and twitter account that they keep checking regularly throughout the day. Still, if you try to see beyond that you may be able to find a way different and wonderful person that is way beyond the typical millenial stereotype.
Sure, maybe you won't even have the chance to get to know more about someone, and maybe they indeed are shallow and everything. Still there's tons of people we haven't met, and when we finally meet those that we find to be great human beings, we see that that is all that matters.
 

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