Do black lives matter?

(warning: huge rambling political rant ahead. Avoid if allergic)

Intro

It's rather strange, but I tend to follow US politics more than Belgium's. I've seen Donald Trump rise from a badmouthing asshole pissing on other republic nominees, then pissing on the democratic nominee (Hillary Clinton), and then finally the former president. Without even attempting to prove any allegations and insults, let alone fixing anything, but always creating new scandals that kept the previous scandals without consequence somehow. It says something of the political elite that they can't properly block or stop one of the most unfit persons to be presidents to become president.

I've seen the last three years with a mix of anger and fear. Anger because of the so many double standards (how does he even gets away with ONE scandal, let alone more than I can even count?), and fear because the USA still has - with a landslide - the largest army in the world. Breaking alliances, sucking up to dictators, insulting trade partners...In a way, I'm glad that he created about as much domestic disputes as foreign ones, or we'd be in a third world war right now. This whole "world war 3 or civil war 2...or both?" question remained largely up in the air until a certain pandemic.

Covid-19

When the impact of the corona-virus became clear in Belgium in March, I immediately thought I knew how dire situation in the states would become. While we were cautioned to stay at home and take never-seen-before precautions, Trump was keeping a cruise ship in quarantine because "it would negatively impact the number of cases in the USA". Once he started downplaying things and made up bullshit like "I want all the churches open by Easter", I think we all knew he would never admit being wrong. And thus start a war with his own medical experts.

I have to admit that I didn't pay much attention to the mentioning that it were mostly the poorer class that was hit by the virus. Or more to the point: it was within my expectations. The US has always been the most capitalist country in the world, so people getting either fired on the spot or forced to choose between working or not receiving income was the consequence of that. In contrast: in most of Europe, there are systems of absent leaves, teleworking or other kinds of ways to compensate for the forced 'stay at home' order. Of course it costs our country dearly, but the alternative is more corona patients which, in the end, costs the country even more. It's not that the states don't have it, but the way I see it, it's peanuts when compared to the cost of living.
So...the daily casualties rose to much higher than it should be, and when it finally peaked, it didn't drop down as it did in any other country but just hovered there at that peak level. Result: over 100'000 deaths (over 110'000 now, even). Ouch...

The unreality

This is where things would become surreal if you're not used to how Trump thinks. Therefore, I should point out something that somehow isn't clear to everyone just yet:

He Does Not Give A Fuck About Anyone But Himself

If you read it hundred years from now (or somehow live under a rock to this point): this isn't an insult or an exxageration, but harsh truth. He has a bunch of loyal fans whom he praises, but only when they do his bidding. Everyone else can die from the corona-virus for all he cares. Why doesn't he wear a face mask? Because he thinks it makes him look stupid to his base. Why does he imply that cleaning products might be worth investigating in regards to medicine? Because he tries to score on an intellectual level to his base (people aren't stupid enough to gargle bleach...but they ARE stupid enough to believe someone they trust).
In pretty much any country, the population rallied behind their leaders in dealing with this virus. Even half baked ones suddenly see a spike in popularity (and we can DEFINITELY count Belgium among those). Not in the USA. There it's every state or even every city for itself because the federal government decided to deny any responsibility.

Even worse: for a while it was pretty common to hear Trump or Kushner say that things were under control, while any reasonable expert on pandemics warned that the level of testing was critically beneath the bottom line, the hospitals were underprepared and the reports had conflicting advises. Again: what the Trump administration meant was that somehow the Dow Jones maintained stability. Any sane man would say that there's something very wrong with that (what's the purpose of good economy numbers if your unemployment rate is through the roof?), but there's no sane man left in the government.

There's also a more cruel interpretation of that "everything's fine" approach. As I said, the majority of deaths is in the poorer classes. And in a country with as much inherent racism as America, that means "mostly black". Poor people don't give a fuck about the stock market. The "everything" in their lives is their safety, which is still jeopardized,
and their family, who run comparable risks. Everything is fine? No. Not by a long shot. They weren't fine before covid-19 became a threat, but it's grown to be unbearable.

The spark that wasn't a spark

On May 25th, George Floyd died after being pressed to the ground and choked to death by the police. This...

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Nope. This isn't going to work. I was going to write something in the lines of "this was a spark in a powder keg", but it just wouldn't be a proper analogy. Let's forget about the pandemic for a second. Let's just...say that you are you. You go out to the store for cigarettes and try to pay with a counterfeited 20 dollar bill (forget about the why for a second. Maybe you're drunk). When confronted with this, you refuse to pay with another bill. The cops get called on you. Upon threatened with a gun, you get handcuffed and put on the sidewalk. Then, when backup arrives, you get dragged to their police car.
At this point you go into a frenzy. Fear or claustrophobia. This results in you getting dragged out of the car an on your stomach on the street. Three men hold you down while the fourth puts his knee in your neck. You struggle, but to no avail. You scream that you can't breathe. You scream for your mother. Nothing changes. You're told to get in the car. You say you'll oblige, but again: nothing changes. You say you'll co-operate, that you'll get into the car. Nothing changes. There's a ruckus nearby. Bystanders are questioning what's happening. They're voices in the distance as you lose your conscience. But still the knee is in your neck, restricting your breathing. An ambulance is called but only as it arrives are you released. Way too late. Way too late. (source))

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Look...I didn't know at that time. With so much modern technology, it's easy to distort what really happened into a mere "a black guy was killed by the police in the USA". It's in that state that I perceived and internalized the news. not to sound cynical, but it's hardly new. Black people were cannon fodder to the police back in Obama's days as well. And well before that, really. At some point, the US police went to war on the street rather than serve and protect its inhabitants. Again: not to diss "the police" or (ugh) "the man", but as a mere state of mind.
I underestimated the initial protests. Internally, I had added Floyd to the long list of people shot by the police. Bad news, yes...but also something that has become a fait divers. A "that's the way it goes". That said way is far more disturbing than I initially thought (just check this comparison for the last ten years if you think that "at war" is overrated). But this goes well and beyond an accidental gunshot because "I thought he was reaching for a gun". Derek Chauvin flat out murdered an unarmed, attempting-to-cooperate, handcuffed guy while on active duty. Anyone who disagrees isn't having a different opinion...(s)he either missed the reconstruction, or is flat out wrong.

Where to go...

I called the USA police department inherent racist because they are (I'm 100% sure there are a thousands of exceptions, but they remain the exception rather than the rule). Since the incident, more and more stories come bubbling to the surface. Treatment of black people under pretenses that simply don't exist for white people. Casual frisks or police stops. Behavior that is seen as suspicious, whereas guys like me can do exactly the same in the USA without being suspicious (man...I really start valuing my white skin while writing this :-). Fucking KILLOLOGY (I wish I was kidding, but no: some rambo actually primes cops as if they're going to be sent out to the battlefield). Of course Floyd's death is an excessive incident even by those standards, but just where exactly ARE those standards to begin with? Chauvin had violent incidents on his name, yet somehow nobody thought it was wrong that he was still on active duty, let alone training other policemen (because yes...that's the defense of the other cops on the scene: Chauvin was the senior officer so he knows best).

This isn't the first mass protest, but I see two major changes to previous protests.

One is, obviously, the bad timing. Protestor's impact is directly related to the amount of people, so we can't really ask people to stay at home. Unfortunately, these are times where "stay at home" is of the utmost importance to limit the spread of the corona-virus. As such, I've got very mixed feelings here. Mass protests strengthen the virus's spread. Both sides know this. But that's far from an excuse to just let things slide. Rather the contrary: everyone who's on the street now is twice as brave as normal protesters. They don't just risk scrutiny, police brutality and any other consequence that follows from
standing up to something those in power don't want, but they also risk catching the virus. People are very fucking DETERMINED to make a change in that country if they're willing to risk their health on top of anything else.

The second surprises me even more: concrete proposals. Defund the police is both radical as what is really needed. It may sound weird, but when you look in detail, it makes a lot of sense. For most of the police's tasks you don't need armed men trained to be fucking killers. So why have them? Union's don't agree, but their credentials make them part of the problem rather than the solution. So why listen to them?
(John Oliver puts it even better: at one point the NYPD went on partial strike, drastically reducing the amount of arrests and interventions. However, to the population there was barely any visibility...which leads to the question: were those arrests and interventions needed in the first place?)

Meanwhile, in the white house

At first I blamed Trump. "If only the guy acted as a president", I'd thought. Pay some respect. Comfort and unite. Y'know: do those things you were hired to do in the first place. Of course he didn't. He not only picked the side of the police but doubled down on that, all but encouraging MORE police brutality. Except there was no "all but", an he really did encourage it. Either way: the crowd quickly turned on him, making him hide in a bunker under the white house.
And it got from that to worse. Dispersing crowds with violence so he can have a stupid picture of him holding a bible sideways (because yeah...why piss off black lives matter protesters when you can piss off them AND catholics?). And all sorts of the most bizarre tweets you've ever seen.

There are a lot of ways I had predicted the end of Trump. His broken promise of the Mexican wall. His trade war with China for absolutely no reason. Sucking up to Russia. His tax records. Longest government shutdown in recent history. The Stormy Daniels affair. The Mueller report. The Ukraine phone call. His mismanagement of the corona crisis. In the end...could this be the one thing that sinks his dictatorship?
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i didn't go through such text wall, but i believe those people like Trump give a sh!t, from many live footages those Police force seems preposterously escalate peaceful protesters into a violent ones.
 
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Do black lives matter ? No! All lives do matter, period. Blame Trump?

No. blame all of them.. As I said.. Since 1600's due to color, race, and etc are the issues. Stop blame Trump. ALL OF THEM ARE TO BE BLAME included OBAMA!!!

Anyway, it is not getting better. No matter what. Since 1600's, hate exists and always will be. Responsible: Human being. They are just insects needs to be squash because they dont know what love is. Judge, hate, bullying, and etc are the negative thoughts and problem is humanity! SAD! VERY SAD!
 
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@leon315 I can disagree with you on whether Trump gives a shit. While I agree that there's excessive force against the protesters, that wasn't part of my writing at all.

@azoreseuropa : I have no idea what you're saying. It's as if you're repeating hollow slogans without knowing what the discussion is about. So answer me this : do you know WHY the protesters are scanting that black lives matter?
 
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i wish i was able to go literally anywhere on the internet without being punted with this shit for at least 5 minutes

gets annoying when you can't even watch youtube because the US thinks it's the center of the universe and has to punt their politics on as many people as they possibly can.
 
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I think everyone enjoys US politics the same way people enjoy a freak show.
It's just too interesting to look away from.
 
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Since 1600s? I would say that racism always existed in human history, and pre-history as well. It's a variant of the "strong over the weak" duality. They say that Homo neanderthalensis was possibly killed by homo sapiens due to being different.
All of them are to blame? No, some politicians are better, some are worse. It is wrong to not recognize differences among politicians.
But I could not agree more with this: all lives do matter.
 
"Do black lives matter ? No! All lives do matter, period. Blame Trump?"

@azoresuropa you ignorant slut.

Black lives do indeed matter. As do all lives, as you so ineloquently put it. More than others? No!

The problem is that black lives appear to matter less than other lives in the USA. And people who object to "black lives matter" sure do like to let us know about it.

"Black Lives Matter" is a restatement of "All men are created equal" in response to The State inordinately killing black citizens. I understand white people have their own grievances about that phrase and how they're not being treated in accordance to that. Trump is just a symptom of the larger problem. He's a blowhard nincompoop, but he's a blowhard nincompoop in charge of the free world, including wherever you come from. So when he's done fucking the USA, he's going to come fuck you, too, if he has his way.
 
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Yeah all lives do matter, but not all lives have been oppressed for generations because of their skin tone.
There's a reason saying "all lives matter" is just dumb shit. It's like pointing out that all diseases/flu.coughs are bad when talking about covid. Like yeah you're right, but damn it if you're not captain obvious.
 
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Appear then is the problem. I would say it is a false attribution. False attribution or diagnosis leads to false or ineffective solutions.

The US does not have a problem with race from what I see (any number of people of all races all able to succeed, and plenty of those of any ground into the dust just as much as anybody else, most stats I care to look at don't bear out much in the way of unqualified bias) but instead has a poverty, classism (and wow do they seem to hate that accusation) and the chronic aversion to any kind of serious attempt at state charity (some go for a byproduct of oh noes can't be seen to be like communism but that is basically history and has been for a long time so indifference is more like it. It has been centuries now as well and I am not seeing religion or industry step up to the plate) mean all the crazies generally run free, the lack of viable safety nets mean people seldom care to take risks in business, education is hideously overpriced when it comes to tertiary stuff and not all that effective in a lot of cases (there are some magnificent ones, and not always the ones people think of, but it is seldom representative of the general experience for most), education before that is a seriously mixed bag (and woefully lacking in a lot of areas), people can get wiped out when medicine comes into play (and it almost inevitably does, even more so if you go in for the American diet and lack of exercise) and even when not probably don't do much in the way of generational wealth if you get to stick grandparents in a home.
The US take on black people (from an anthropological perspective it is an odd one to create a group like that but at the same time it is still one*) do have a rough showing. Various reasons for this one including internal, historical and possibly external, some of which may be if not unique to then with a different or different amount of showing in but

*generally if you ask what the actual white supremacy morons think of such groups then they bloody love them. This is as it gets people thinking in racial terms when most people don't really care.

To that end it ain't like the filth enjoy killing darkies and keeping them down, as much as the system is built to keep most people down.
 
@FAST6191 "The US does not have a problem with race from what I see" I'm assuming you mean the United States of America and thank you for stating right off the bat that your opinion is plain old fucking wrong.

My father grew up under Jim Crow. The United States of America's past isn't even in the past, it's happening right now. The Filth is currently running the planet. Let's try to make this the beginning of the end, eh?
 
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"He Does Not Give A Fuck About Anyone But Himself"
Funny how snowflakes ALWAYS want to give their opinion even though they are not educated on the subject. Go get educated on American history and then tell me who "does not give a fuck". Trump is the best president USA has had in decades. Career politicians are the enemy of the people, both democrats & republicans. Anti federalist is where it is at. #FactsMatter
 
Not quite sure why you think Trump would've gotten the US into WW3 if it weren't for domestic issues. One of his favorite things to do is withdraw troops without warning, consequences be damned. The closest he got on that front was killing the leader of Iran's Revolutionary Guards on Iraqi soil and that was likely because of domestic events, not despite them.
 
Saying 'All Lives Matter' in response to the term Black Lives Matter would be like NEEDING to talk about the existence of other houses in a neighborhood if other houses were on fire. All lives can't matter until black people are no longer systematically oppressed in the US.
 
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@FAST6191 "The US does not have a problem with race from what I see" I'm assuming you mean the United States of America and thank you for stating right off the bat that your opinion is plain old fucking wrong.

My father grew up under Jim Crow. The United States of America's past isn't even in the past, it's happening right now. The Filth is currently running the planet. Let's try to make this the beginning of the end, eh?

So as a general concept anybody of any race
Can stand for any level of political office and seemingly win as well
Can run their own businesses or function in the high levels of them
Can own their own land
Is free to pursue education
Enjoys the same benefits under the law and under government programs
Is free to join the military and any other government bureaucratic post if they meet the qualifications, including the police
Generally are able to contribute to the culture at large
Is not legally allowed to be discriminated against, and most of the population (as well as fundamental principles of law making) will come down on those that try it on like a tonne of bricks and certainly will not be seen to actively or tacitly support laws that do. Such a notion seems to be also seen/replicated in corporate and academic circles as well.

I have been in many places in the US (I occasionally spend a few months there living among the locals and seeing what goes) and seen all that in practice as well, and stats seem to bear out the rest as generally not having race as a factor in all that much either.

There are many problems with the US, many that mean I don't live there and think long and hard before doing any business there despite having it as an option, but as a racist shithole compared to the likes of much of eastern Europe, the middle East, China, India, in some cases Japan and a lot of developing countries I just can't get there.

To that end please tell me where I am going wrong here.
 
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I think we agree about most things but:

>Is not legally allowed to be discriminated against, and most of the population (as well as fundamental principles of law making) will come down on those that try it on like a tonne of bricks and certainly will not be seen to actively or tacitly support laws that do.

Yeah, it's not legal, but it happens. Right now is another significant push back against that that people are actually taking seriously.

People seem to think that Martin Luther King, Jr. fixed all the racial problems in America. He did a damn good job of getting things started, but what got him killed was saying the poor expect better from the richest country on the planet. The fact that the rest of the world is *worse than us* on all this means we have farther to go.

I think we're on the same page, and I'd like to make sure that our efforts are working towards the same goal. What can I do to help you in your racist shithole? Because mine is awful, and I don't want anyone living like this.
 
@LiveLatios : I didn't force you to read past the header. You chose to open, read and reply. This is my blog, so I'd appreciate it if you refrain from telling me what to write (for what it's worth: I've got plenty of gaming related blogs).

@mathew77 : same question I've asked @azoreseuropa : do you know why the protesters are out there? If they felt equal as other skin colors, they'd stay at home weathering the corona crisis.

@Hells Malice : the problem is the tendency to export the problems. All of the sudden all over the world people are breaking lockdowns for this. To a degree they're right to do it (fuck, I'll say it: our former king, Leopold II, was a fucking butcher. We should've gotten rid of his statues years ago :angry:). But NOT IN THE F***ING MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC!!! In the USA, I get it: if I had a 1 in 1000 chance of getting killed by a cop, I'd protest as well. Those numbers don't apply here...but corona spread does. That's why this shit is relevant here as well aside the usual sympathy for the oppressed.

@sloppycrap and @Mythical : thanks, guys. I was getting the impression that this whole discussion was about the title and none had bothered to read anything thus far.

@FAST6191 : interesting post. I certainly agree to a large part. It's just rather strange to see you write "The US does not have a problem with race from what I see" to start. Granted, the stories I read all seem to stem exclusively from the police, so it might not be as bad in other areas as in police treatment. But at the very least when it comes to the police force, I think I stated rather clearly that yes indeed, the US does have a problem with race.

@PiracyForTheMasses : funny how Trump supporters always recycle the same insults and treat others as if they know anything, while in reality they only join discussions to (attempt to) throw it off the rails.
So kindly get the fuck back to your fan club while it still exists.
 
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