Yet again, Americans prove just how pathetic they are

[quote name='Pliskron' post='2687259' date='Mar 20 2010, 07:40 PM']You might not like Sarah Palin but the way I see it she doesn't want to spend ten trillion dollars in four years. She may very well share my values that people should reap the fruits of their own labor and not have to hand over their hard earned money to Obama's henchmen. The lame stream media hates Palin so she has to be pretty good.[/quote]

Your argument has a major flaw.

1: Bush spent WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more.
2: Obama hasn't been in for nearly 4 years. Approaching...2 years, I think.

Her foreign policy can be summed up as nothing more than pure hate/fear mongering.

[quote name='shinkukage09' post='2687243' date='Mar 20 2010, 09:33 PM']There's no such thing as working honestly here anymore. You can get fired for ANYTHING. You can bribe people with ANYTHING. People will sell other people out, drop them to the bottom of the hell hole, just for a few more pennies in their pocket.

There's no such thing as living reasonably anymore either, at least not for most people. And before you say it's because they don't work hard enough, my grandparents both worked for 50+ years. One at a car factory, that had NO AIR. And one as a speedy semi-truck-driver. Know what happened? Both their works screwed them over. Royally. Now where are they? Then unemployment screws them over. Then social security and insurance screwed them over. You can't go 10 steps without getting screwed by someone.[/quote]

To avoid getting fired, the best thing to do is be the best, or only chose to work for a company that you think is honest or won't get bought out or won't fire you. Like everything, it's risk/reward (taking a job that is). It sucks that your grandparents ended up in that situation, but there had to have been some reason why. Maybe decisions they made. Maybe it was just bad luck. Bad luck gave me a big nose and forehead, but you don't see me complaining. But it shouldn't be others job to pay for that.

Entitlement programs can't really screw you over, since basically they just hand out cash, and the least they can do is not give it to you. Unless you mean that these programs screwed them over as workers when they had to pay the taxes for them, then I see your point.

[quote name='Llama Riot' post='2687265' date='Mar 20 2010, 08:42 PM']Her foreign policy can be summed up as nothing more than pure hate/fear mongering.[/quote]
Not to mention she completely advocates the hunting of wolves from helicopter gunning...

What the FUCK

[quote name='Danny Tanner' post='2687269' date='Mar 20 2010, 07:44 PM'][quote name='shinkukage09' post='2687243' date='Mar 20 2010, 09:33 PM']There's no such thing as working honestly here anymore. You can get fired for ANYTHING. You can bribe people with ANYTHING. People will sell other people out, drop them to the bottom of the hell hole, just for a few more pennies in their pocket.

There's no such thing as living reasonably anymore either, at least not for most people. And before you say it's because they don't work hard enough, my grandparents both worked for 50+ years. One at a car factory, that had NO AIR. And one as a speedy semi-truck-driver. Know what happened? Both their works screwed them over. Royally. Now where are they? Then unemployment screws them over. Then social security and insurance screwed them over. You can't go 10 steps without getting screwed by someone.[/quote]

To avoid getting fired, the best thing to do is be the best, or only chose to work for a company that you think is honest or won't get bought out or won't fire you. Like everything, it's risk/reward (taking a job that is). It sucks that your grandparents ended up in that situation, but there had to have been some reason why. Maybe decisions they made. Maybe it was just bad luck. Bad luck gave me a big nose and forehead, but you don't see me complaining. But it shouldn't be others job to pay for that.

Entitlement programs can't really screw you over, since basically they just hand out cash, and the least they can do is not give it to you. Unless you mean that these programs screwed them over as workers when they had to pay the taxes for them, then I see your point.
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For a fact, the company was trustworthy. At one point, anyway. The reason why was greed. They fired my grandma, and a craptonne of other people that worked for $40 an hour, and instead brought in mexicans who worked for minimum wage. And yes, we know they were mexicans because of people that DIDN'T get let go. Greed. That's all that boiled down to.

And they lost social security. And unemployment. Lets put it this way. We're running off of about...$250 a month. And most of that is my check. And I have to work under minimum wage. They lost, quite literally, everything because of greedy asswipes.

[quote name='shinkukage09' post='2687082' date='Mar 20 2010, 08:22 PM']"Kill the bill or face the November Slaughter" Planning a riot, are we? Wait until 2012, please. Seriously though. Are people this fucking stupid?[/quote]
This one might be referring to "House Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter"... Maybe.

[quote name='shinkukage09' post='2687281' date='Mar 20 2010, 05:48 PM']For a fact, the company was trustworthy. At one point, anyway. The reason why was greed. They fired my grandma, and a craptonne of other people that worked for $40 an hour, and instead brought in mexicans who worked for minimum wage. And yes, we know they were mexicans because of people that DIDN'T get let go. Greed. That's all that boiled down to.

And they lost social security. And unemployment. Lets put it this way. We're running off of about...$250 a month. And most of that is my check. And I have to work under minimum wage. They lost, quite literally, everything because of greedy asswipes.[/quote]


I know that you feel that they screwed your family, but companies will always look for ways to make more money. It's the ugly truth, but that's capitalism. Love it or hate it; it's here to stay.

Hey suck it up and get another job. I've done it. I've had to retrain. If you can't do that you're lazy. No job is permanent nor should it be. We have or used to have a dynamic economy. What the fuck. Should the government guarantee everyone jobs. Jesus they can't even run the fucking RMV now they want to run the entire economy. We're going to have more to worry about than Mexicans, if that happens no one will have a job.

[quote name='Pliskron' post='2687314' date='Mar 20 2010, 08:08 PM']Hey suck it up and get another job. I've done it. I've had to retrain. If you can't do that you're lazy. No job is permanent nor should it be. We have or used to have a dynamic economy. What the fuck. Should the government guarantee everyone jobs. Jesus they can't even run the fucking RMV now they want to run the entire economy. We're going to have more to worry about than Mexicans, if that happens no one will have a job.[/quote]

So you'd willingly go tell 2 60+ year olds to go get another job? No one will hire them. Know why? Because they HAVE worked so long. I dare you to fucking call them lazy. With as much shit they've done, they'll make you look like a lazy, fatass slob. Which you probably are. Stop being a moron. And get the hell out of my topic.

Yeah why the fuck not? That's what my grandmother did. Jesus Christ. Can't anyone take care of themselves anymore? I shouldn't have to pay more than 50% of my income to support all the lame ass dead beats. I've been a mechanic, a bartender, a bouncer, a carpenter, a printer, photographer, and a graphic designer. I've owned businesses some succeed some didn't but though it all I made my own way without any handouts from the government. That's American, that's why my grandparents came to this country. Not for a promise of a hand out but for the chance to have economic freedom and even if that meant potentially failing.

[quote name='Pliskron' post='2687314' date='Mar 20 2010, 07:08 PM']Hey suck it up and get another job. I've done it. I've had to retrain. If you can't do that you're lazy. No job is permanent nor should it be. We have or used to have a dynamic economy. What the fuck. Should the government guarantee everyone jobs. Jesus they can't even run the fucking RMV now they want to run the entire economy. We're going to have more to worry about than Mexicans, if that happens no one will have a job.[/quote]I disagree about the "no job is permanent" rant. I mean there is a reason why the assembly line worked so well, the specialization of jobs. Unless you agree with Karl Marx and believe it is the capitalist's way of "trapping" the laborers and making us more "vulnerable."

However I do agree that no job is permanent in respect that advances in technology washes away older less efficient jobs.

I find the title of this thread offensive.

[quote name='flatoutvincent' post='2687087' date='Mar 21 2010, 02:24 AM']its what you get with republicans[/quote]


Yeah. Democrats never compared Bush to Hitler. Nope, not once.

First of all, Communism on paper is an awesome idea, but placing all the power in the hands of one HUMAN, in practice will end up bad every single time. It is our inherent human nature to want to use and abuse power. Is anyone entirely sure that if Gandhi had complete and total control over the people of India, that it wouldn't go to his head just a little?

As for Obama, He wasn't the best choice, he was really the only choice. (Yeah, like I would vote for an old man with one foot in the grave, and with a running mate with the IQ of a shelled peanut) The color of his skin aside (like it makes a difference anyway, we all bleed red), Obama still has a HELL of a mess to clean up, and i'm sure 4 years isn't going to be enough to even make a dent. Lets not pretend that Obama was our sole president that put us in debt.

Oh, I love internet debates!

RESOLUTION: YOU ALL LOSE.

Well, there are some retards out there but they just seem to really dislike certain things and have a hard time expressing it. What ever. I live under a republican house where I think alot of the ideas are weird or stupid. I've also heard plenty of ideas from democrats that were weird or stupid. I just like to think, "You win some, you lose some."

As for Obama, what has he done really? I'm not being a smartass, I'm just curious as my dad always gives politics the republican bias so I'm curious... even though asking anonymous people about politics is getting me nowhere, I'm just curious.

Also, AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! PORN! FUCK YEAH!

[quote name='dudeonline' post='2687693' date='Mar 20 2010, 09:49 PM']First of all, Communism on paper is an awesome idea, but placing all the power in the hands of one HUMAN, in practice will end up bad every single time. It is our inherent human nature to want to use and abuse power. Is anyone entirely sure that if Gandhi had complete and total control over the people of India, that it wouldn't go to his head just a little?

As for Obama, He wasn't the best choice, he was really the only choice. (Yeah, like I would vote for an old man with one foot in the grave, and with a running mate with the IQ of a shelled peanut) The color of his skin aside (like it makes a difference anyway, we all bleed red), Obama still has a HELL of a mess to clean up, and i'm sure 4 years isn't going to be enough to even make a dent. Lets not pretend that Obama was our sole president that put us in debt.[/quote]
wut?


Obama is not an idiot. Because of the way this country works, and because idiots like the ones on the first post continue to live, he CAN'T DO ANYTHING. In baseball terms, he's "in a pickle." A political pickle. The worst pickle to be in.

There's no such thing as working honestly here anymore. You can get fired for ANYTHING. You can bribe people with ANYTHING. People will sell other people out, drop them to the bottom of the hell hole, just for a few more pennies in their pocket.

There's no such thing as living reasonably anymore either, at least not for most people. And before you say it's because they don't work hard enough, my grandparents both worked for 50+ years. One at a car factory, that had NO AIR. And one as a speedy semi-truck-driver. Know what happened? Both their works screwed them over. Royally. Now where are they? Then unemployment screws them over. Then social security and insurance screwed them over. You can't go 10 steps without getting screwed by someone.

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What? You think no one in this country is honest or hardworking? Throughout history peasants, serfs, et cetera have put up with the corruption and greed of the nobles. Then they had to deal with it from the rising Middle Class after 1815. The proletariats are ALWAYS put down, no matter where you go. The US isn't the only place in the world you'll see this.

[quote name='dudeonline' post='2687693' date='Mar 20 2010, 10:49 PM']First of all, Communism on paper is an awesome idea, but placing all the power in the hands of one HUMAN, in practice will end up bad every single time. It is our inherent human nature to want to use and abuse power. Is anyone entirely sure that if Gandhi had complete and total control over the people of India, that it wouldn't go to his head just a little?

As for Obama, He wasn't the best choice, he was really the only choice. (Yeah, like I would vote for an old man with one foot in the grave, and with a running mate with the IQ of a shelled peanut) The color of his skin aside (like it makes a difference anyway, we all bleed red), Obama still has a HELL of a mess to clean up, and i'm sure 4 years isn't going to be enough to even make a dent. Lets not pretend that Obama was our sole president that put us in debt.[/quote]Well first, we don't give all the power to one human. I don't know if you've taken U.S. Government or U.S. History or anything like that recently, but we have this whole checks and balances thing... y'know kinda cool, but also slows things down a lot when we're trying to get shit done.

But yeah, I agree with you, if my some chance Sarah Palin was going to be the U.S. President... oh goodness. *shivers* She might declare war on Russia and accidentally hit every Asian country from the Pacific to France. But technically we had other choices... plenty of other people (who don't matter because it's basically a two-party system).

[quote name='Golin' post='2687943' date='Mar 21 2010, 12:09 AM'][quote name='dudeonline' post='2687693' date='Mar 20 2010, 10:49 PM']First of all, Communism on paper is an awesome idea, but placing all the power in the hands of one HUMAN, in practice will end up bad every single time. It is our inherent human nature to want to use and abuse power. Is anyone entirely sure that if Gandhi had complete and total control over the people of India, that it wouldn't go to his head just a little?

As for Obama, He wasn't the best choice, he was really the only choice. (Yeah, like I would vote for an old man with one foot in the grave, and with a running mate with the IQ of a shelled peanut) The color of his skin aside (like it makes a difference anyway, we all bleed red), Obama still has a HELL of a mess to clean up, and i'm sure 4 years isn't going to be enough to even make a dent. Lets not pretend that Obama was our sole president that put us in debt.[/quote]Well first, we don't give all the power to one human. I don't know if you've taken U.S. Government or U.S. History or anything like that recently, but we have this whole checks and balances thing... y'know kinda cool, but also slows things down a lot when we're trying to get shit done.

But yeah, I agree with you, if my some chance Sarah Palin was going to be the U.S. President... oh goodness. *shivers* She might declare war on Russia and accidentally hit every Asian country from the Pacific to France. But technically we had other choices... plenty of other people (who don't matter because it's basically a two-party system).
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He's talking about the communist system, not a federal constitutional republic. If communism were to be run the way Marx saw it, the world would be ran by the working class.

[quote name='dirtclaw' post='2687673' date='Mar 20 2010, 11:28 PM'][quote name='flatoutvincent' post='2687087' date='Mar 21 2010, 02:24 AM']its what you get with republicans[/quote]


Yeah. Democrats never compared Bush to Hitler. Nope, not once.
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If any did, then they're just as stupid. Bush isn't Hitler. He didn't go mass-genocidal on people. Nor was he a good leader.

[quote name='Danny Tanner' post='2687104' date='Mar 21 2010, 12:33 AM'][quote name='shinkukage09' post='2687082' date='Mar 20 2010, 08:22 PM']"Marxism is an Obama-Nation" I didn't know we were communist now. I didn't know that Marxism was actually bad. Communism as it is right now is bad, but Marxism at least had some good points to it...[/quote]

I found a lot of your post questionable, but I just wanted to know what some of the good points of Marxism were. And how it isn't Communism.

If it's any consolation though, I agree America has more or less turned to shit over the past decades.
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I can't be arsed to go through the thread to find out if someone answered you but I'll give you a couple of good points of Marxism. And Marxism is Communism. What isn't Communism is Stalinism, Maoism and Jungism. Even Cuba isn't really Communist. There hasn't been a truely Communist country yet.

Some good points of Marxism :

Banks are state owned, not private. In otherwords your bank works for you and is there to help you, not earn massive amounts of money from you.

All workers are entitled to a share of the profits of the company they work for. The amount they're entitled to to depends on effort put in and productivity. So a factory worker could earn just as much as his boss depending on how hard he worked. Always remember, a manager would have no job if there were no workers - but there'd still be jobs if there were no managers.

Health care is socialised. I don't understand this huge fuss you Americans have about socialised health care. What kind of person wouldn't give money towards making sure that all their fellow citizens got adequate medical care, unless they're greedy and self centered. I always see Americans going on about how patriotic they are, caring for your fellow citizen is part of patriotism.

Communism is a hall of alot more democratic than Capitalism. Every citizen gets a vote in how things are run, from your community and your work right up to government level. The government wants to set a policy? They need the country's permission first.

Under Communism the government is there to do the will of the people, not to tell the people their will. The party in power is strictly for administration. They're not doing their job? Then the people say "Bollocks to you, you're out" and vote someone else in.

Under Communism the government controls national public services. Stuff like public transport, electricity, water etc. The services are run for minimal profit and delivered to the public as cheaply as possible. No more paying a fortune for necessities so that some guy can take his mistress to the Bahamas.

Everyone is entitled to equal rights, from the factory worker to the party leader.

Education is top priority under Communism. What's the point in having an uneducated and illiterate country? The better educated they are the more chance there is of them leading a productive life.

Under Communism free speech is far more important than the sham that's presented to us now.

Under Communism social ideals are more important than the acquisition of wealth.

Communism stresses guiding people on the right path for themselves based on what they're good at it.

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The actual Communist manifesto is tiny, no bigger than most political manifestos. To truly understand it you need to learn about Marx and Engels, and what they taught and believed in. Communism isn't the monster it's made out to be, and on the whole is a much more democratic and has more humanitarian goals than Capitalism.

edit : Fixed the wording in one sentence. Noticed it read wrong when Hidoshi quoted it!