Rant #3: Japanese Media perceived by a foreign audience

A common question I get when I make new friends is "What interests you?". It's a good question, and usually I reply that I like video games, tv shows, movies and so forth. Then I inevetebly get asked the question "Are you an anime fan?". My answer is always "No, but I like anime". I find this question ridiculous in some ways, but I also understand why it's asked in the first place as there's a line between those who like traditional American cartoons and those who like anime. Personally, I don't understand or like that this line exists, and so begins the first part of my rant. Why is anime its own genre?

First of all, let me make my position clear. I do enjoy watching anime, and I'll even read some manga if I find one I like. I also admit a fair amount of material I enjoy originates from Japan. But I don't consider myself an anime or manga fan. I feel that anime and manga viewers have attempted to segregate themselves from those who like American animation and comics. Manga isn't some magical thing that only comes from Japan, nor is anime. These words have English translations, anime simply meaning "Animation" and manga meaning "Comic". There's nothing wrong with saying a manga is a comic, but anyone who reads manga will never call it a comic, as any anime fan won't call anime a cartoon (That's a bit different though, I'll explain later*). In effect, anime and animation are now seperate things to the average person, and there's no reason they should be. Animation is animation no matter where in the world it comes from. When I see a cartoon from russia, I won't say I watched a russian анимации. It's absurd, like I'm saying that because it comes from a different country, it isn't the same as what I see in the US. I don't become a fan of something based off of what country it originates from. I like something based on if it's actually good.

My second issue relating to the last one is how these "Anime and manga fans" are seperating themselves from people who enjoy regular animation. I understand how a lot of people can become entusiastic about a certain thing, and so I don't blame these fans who find the Japanese material and enjoy it. But it seems they outcast themselves. One thing that really bugs the hell out of me is the ones who refer to themselves as "Otaku". Did it occur to them that this word carries negative connotations in Japan? And on top of that, no one in the US would know what it means. Anyone who understands you is either a native Japanese speaker (Who knows what the word means and would likely scratch their head about why you would call yourself that), or another "Anime fan" who also sees the word as good. It's bad practice. You're only going to seem like an outcast calling yourself things like that. Another thing is how I always see anime/manga fans in costume. Dressing up as a character for Halloween is fine, or even an anime convention, buy why do some fans feel the need to wear makeup and clothes that resembles their favorite characters? Children pretend to be pretend characters, not adults. In all honesty, the visual effect usually isn't a good one and those that see you will likely think you have some sort of mental disorder. Because no one dresses up as characters, so why do you?

Lastly, I really need to address the Japanese media haters. It honestly stuns me that a person can just write off an entire country's material because they somehow don't like all of it. How is that even possible? What would you say if a Japanese person told you all shows in the US sucked and just didn't watch them? It's mind shatteringly stupid to think that way. The only way it makes sense is if there's a consistent thing about Japanese animation that makes you not like it, but there's nothing that is shared between them. Don't like the style? Watch One Piece. Think the animation sucks? Watch a Miyazaki film. Don't like huge breasts? ...Okay maybe you'll have to live with that one. But not many anime take thing that far out of proportion (Although I certainly understand how some would dislike this). I also think another problem with these haters is they see the current "Anime fan" population and don't want to be like that. And I understand that. You don't have to be someone who dresses up as some guy with a giant sword and spiky hair to enjoy an anime convention. You don't need to learn Japanese or use it incorrectly in your sentences. But for the love of god, if the fans of something keep you away from liking something, you might have issues. And if at the end of the day you just don't want to watch Japanese animation, then don't. No one is forcing you to, but you'll be missing out on a lot of good material.

And so ends my rant. If you have a problem with anything I wrote, go ahead and respond and I'll make myself clearer if needed. I know that the second point is bound to be taken as offensive by some people, but I think I made myself clear enough. I feel I should mention that I don't openly criticize people that dress/act this way in public. This is my opinion, not fact, and any advice or issues I have are yours to take into consideration and do nothing with if you so choose.

*Anime doesn't translate to cartoon since a cartoon is usually humorous in nature, whereas anime encompasses a large variety of genres.

**I own a Snoopy t-shirt and I'm 18 :P

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[quote name='Joe88' post='3516810' date='Mar 13 2011, 12:25 PM']this explains everything

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uh, in Japan rank 1, 3 and 5, are those the same? :mellow:
 
[quote name='Thunderboyx' post='3516976' date='Mar 13 2011, 10:51 PM'][quote name='Joe88' post='3516810' date='Mar 13 2011, 12:25 PM']this explains everything

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uh, in Japan rank 1, 3 and 5, are those the same? :mellow:
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1-5 are all from the same series :rolleyes:
 
[quote name='Thunderboyx' post='3516976' date='Mar 13 2011, 11:51 AM'][quote name='Joe88' post='3516810' date='Mar 13 2011, 12:25 PM']this explains everything

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uh, in Japan rank 1, 3 and 5, are those the same? :mellow:
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No. If you look in the text you can see different numbers. Rank 1 is #5 in the series. Rank 3 is #4 and rank 5 is #3.
 
[quote name='Joe88' post='3516810' date='Mar 13 2011, 08:25 PM']this explains everything

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That tells me nothing except that anime is popular in Japan on Amazon. No surprise there.
 
Its simply different strokes for different folks, thats all there is too it
and also region preferences

they can not like something if they want to, no reason to try and shove it down their throat saying there has to be something they like
 
Madoka sells that well I'm surprised seeing the apology for deception and controversy of it being too cruel.

Those rankings do explain everything.
 
About your first paragraph :

I enjoy Anime a lot (the Japanese one), not because it's from japan but because I find that most of them have a story that other countries are not covering.
For example, there are a lot of story like Shoujo anime covering everyday life (Piano, 5cm per second, Mimi wo Sumaseba, etc.), experimental and/or short movies (Kigeki, Mind game, Tekkon Kinkreet, Cencoroll), sport series (Touch, Cross game, Captain Tsubasa, from tennis, volleyball, football, baseball, GRS, etc.). Japan animation is covering many genre from historical, heroic fantasy, modern, futuristic, sport, comedy, dramatic, adventure, thriller, horror, etc. They don't fear ridiculous story or domains that adults only could enjoy, and that's what I'm looking for. New idea, new unexplored area of the animation, new concepts.

I think western countries have problem with targeted audience and think an animation movie is only for children. So they are making a lot of girly/flashy/monsterly animation without a real story (Spongebob, Puffy Amy, oggy and the cockroach (yes, modern French animation are horrible too)).

I'm talking mostly about TV series, and not about Cinema or DVD single movie, which other countries can usually produce (but mostly disney and pixar :()

I think current animation outside of japan is lacking art style, animation and color and detail research, etc.
I like Animation movies in general for the picture art and the rendering, the work the studio did on it, etc.

Sometime, there's American animation which I like because they actually meet what I'm looking for : a story spanned over all their episode instead of 1 mini and stupid story per episode, animation, character design, etc.
I like for example Gargoyles or Chris Colorado.
From another countries (Israel), I liked Waltz with Bashir. It explore a new way of doing animation, covering a story as a documentary from Lebanon war from 1982.


So I like Japanese "Anime" mainly because other countries don't create what I like and enjoy watching.
Sometime they do, but too rarely :(

If anyone have hidden gem I can enjoy, please just share the title :)
 
well i am an anime fan though i never call myself an Otaku .
when you say "anime + manga" you refer to the ones made in Japan . once you say those 2 words , people learn that you talk about an animation from Japan . what you talk about "animations + comics" people learn that you are talking about something that isn't anime or manga .

i honestly don't see what's so bad . i don't like referring to anime + manga as animation or comics because it's like you are referring to the actual animation and comics when they're not . the instant i think of a comic , i think of some comic company like Marvel . when i think of manga , i think of Shonen . i say anime + manga to classify the difference between western american animations + comics . nothing else .
 
[quote name='Cyan' post='3518986' date='Mar 15 2011, 02:48 AM']Sometime, there's American animation which I like because they actually meet what I'm looking for : a story spanned over all their episode instead of 1 mini and stupid story per episode, animation, character design, etc.
I like for example Gargoyles or Chris Colorado.
From another countries (Israel), I liked Waltz with Bashir. It explore a new way of doing animation, covering a story as a documentary from Lebanon war from 1982.


So I like Japanese "Anime" mainly because other countries don't create what I like and enjoy watching.
Sometime they do, but too rarely :(

If anyone have hidden gem I can enjoy, please just share the title :)[/quote]
Sometimes, mini-stories work very well. A good example is PHINEAS AND FERB. It's intelligent, witty, contains allusions to culture, sometimes satirical, brightly animated, well storyboarded and accessible to adults. And the music is amazing, I have no idea how they can spew out that many songs for that many episodes. It's a refreshing change of pace from the 2 common kinds of western animated series, Dumbed down for Kids and Adult Humor.

Other good examples of mini-stories that work well is ARCHIE, POWERPUFF GIRLS, KICK BUTTOWSKI, THE SIMPSONS and FUTARAMA. SPONGEBOB is actually very good, although some are turned off by it's utter stupidity. Although when I watch it, I just try to turn off my brain completely.

Japanese Animation is more complex, focusing more on deep and involving storylines, and it's relation into Japanese culture (therefore having plotlines only accessible to the Japanese and fans), and the animation style is more stylish. Western Animation is more simplified, focusing more on the entertainment value, humor, and its relation into western culture (therefore having a lot of jokes mostly Americans consider funny, like political satire), and the animation style is more colorful and bright. While this sometimes gives distinction to the two, I do agree that they are both animation. Although for convenience's sake, it's better to call Japanese Animation anime, since they are at times different.

That's not to say that Western Animation can't be deep though, as said, GARGOYLES is excellent, and so is AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER, BATMAN, and X-MEN.
 

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