gay bashing /hate

[quote name='Pliskron' post='3271541' date='Nov 17 2010, 05:08 PM']It pretty obvious that being gay isn't the natural order of things[/quote]
Then how do gays exist?

Try again.

People all have there opinions. I'm bi, and I don't care what people think.

[quote name='Pliskron' post='3271541' date='Nov 17 2010, 04:08 PM']*snip*
Ah I'm glad you asked. We can all pretty much agree that you're born gay and it's not a choice. So it's obvious that if you're born that way then something must have gone wrong during fetal development. If something happens during fetal development to cause someone to be gay then I'd imagine that a cause could be indemnified. If a cause can be identified then you should be able to screen for it and find a cure at some point. Now I can guarantee if you could screen for it then 99% of parents would choose not to have a gay child. It pretty obvious that being gay isn't the natural order of things and of course these people shouldn't be hated for something that they didn't choose.[/quote]
That'll do.
However, I'm pretty sure homosexuals (and me) don't see it as a defect.

[quote name='Urza' post='3271528' date='Nov 18 2010, 02:01 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271521' date='Nov 17 2010, 04:57 PM'][quote name='Sephxus' post='3271503' date='Nov 18 2010, 12:47 AM']@Pliskron Let me give you some perspective.
Replace homosexuality with another biological trait:
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So wait a minute . If being black is biological and not a choice then we should help fund a cure for such a sad disorder. I mean would you want your children to be inflicted with such a horrible milady. I think it's worth funding research. I think that's something we can all get behind religious or not.
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So wait a minute . If being a woman is biological and not a choice then we should help fund a cure for such a sad disorder. I mean would you want your children to be inflicted with such a horrible milady. I think it's worth funding research. I think that's something we can all get behind religious or not[/quote]

Being black or a woman isn't a disorder but being autistic or having downs syndrome or being gay is a disorder. It's abnormal for someone to want to have sex with a partner of the same sex. It's innocuous on the scale of disorders but it's something that I bet you could screen for and perhaps even cure in the future. It's certainly worth doing if possible. Seriously, how many parents would chose that type of disorder for their child. Now I really wouldn't mind if my child was female but it seems to me that your argument is bordering on "it's ok because God made them that way". That seems kind of a backward argument to me.
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How is being gay a "disorder"?
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I suppose of you classify anything dealing with how people behave in a "out of the ordinary" way then being gay could be classified as a disorder but thats a very loose definition if I have ever heard one.

Meh in the end who cares what sex you prefer in a hundred years very few people will care anyway unless you become president or some other famous person.

I myself cannot really understand the gay mind since to me nothing is more attractive then a woman and how they ever put up with us men is simply amazing to me.

As for gay bashing... why waste time being worried about two dudes.... thats less competition for me and the more time I waste worried about what they are doing is more time I could be out entertaining the ladies... Gigity!

[quote name='Urza' post='3271545' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:11 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271541' date='Nov 17 2010, 05:08 PM']It pretty obvious that being gay isn't the natural order of things[/quote]
Then how do gays exist?

Try again.
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non-conformists

[quote name='Urza' post='3271545' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:11 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271541' date='Nov 17 2010, 05:08 PM']It pretty obvious that being gay isn't the natural order of things[/quote]
Then how do gays exist?

Try again.
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Well why does any disease exist why do people go blind, why are children born autistic. We shouldn't deny these people medical help. It seem that's what you're angling at. Now if you don't want help that's a choice but I think a vase majority of parents wound never choose that type of life for their children. I think that research should certainly be funded to find a cause and who would object to that?

[quote name='Magmorph' post='3271524' date='Nov 17 2010, 11:59 PM']I can use the same type of argument for a different book. Harry Potter mentions London. London can be proven to be a real place therefore the book must be true.[/quote]
The major difference being that London was around before Harry Potter.

[quote name='Pliskron' post='3271556' date='Nov 17 2010, 08:15 PM'][quote name='Urza' post='3271545' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:11 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271541' date='Nov 17 2010, 05:08 PM']It pretty obvious that being gay isn't the natural order of things[/quote]
Then how do gays exist?

Try again.
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Well why does any disease exist why do people go blind, why are children born autistic. We shouldn't deny these people medical help. It seem that's what you're angling at.
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We don't need medical help. There are tons of organisations that are against the "Converting" of homosexuals, and it is no longer considered a disorder, and has not for a long time.

[quote name='ProtoKun7' post='3271557' date='Nov 17 2010, 06:16 PM'][quote name='Magmorph' post='3271524' date='Nov 17 2010, 11:59 PM']I can use the same type of argument for a different book. Harry Potter mentions London. London can be proven to be a real place therefore the book must be true.[/quote]
The major difference being that London was around before Harry Potter.
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So you are saying the passages in the Bible were written before the places they were about existed?

[quote name='Pliskron' post='3271556' date='Nov 17 2010, 06:15 PM'][quote name='Urza' post='3271545' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:11 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271541' date='Nov 17 2010, 05:08 PM']It pretty obvious that being gay isn't the natural order of things[/quote]
Then how do gays exist?

Try again.
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Well why does any disease exist why do people go blind, why are children born autistic. We shouldn't deny these people medical help. It seem that's what you're angling at. Now if you don't want help that's a choice but I think a vase majority of parents wound never choose that type of life for their children. I think that research should certainly be funded to find a cause and who would object to that?
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Is it detrimental to their life in any way? The only way it could be is if you blame the victim for discrimination.

[quote name='Pliskron' post='3271556' date='Nov 17 2010, 07:15 PM'][quote name='Urza' post='3271545' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:11 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271541' date='Nov 17 2010, 05:08 PM']It pretty obvious that being gay isn't the natural order of things[/quote]
Then how do gays exist?

Try again.
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Well why does any disease exist why do people go blind, why are children born autistic. We shouldn't deny these people medical help. It seem that's what you're angling at.
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Okay, how is being gay a disease? Science has already explained the cause of blindness and sort of understands the cause of autism. What causes homosexuality? Second, what makes you diseased if you instinctively fall in love with a person of the same sex, just like heterosexuals do? I believe homosexuality is normal, it is different. Why attack homosexuality, especially if they're doing nothing to you. It is on the same level as racism, it is just ignorant.

[quote name='MFDC12' post='3271559' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:17 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271556' date='Nov 17 2010, 08:15 PM'][quote name='Urza' post='3271545' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:11 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271541' date='Nov 17 2010, 05:08 PM']It pretty obvious that being gay isn't the natural order of things[/quote]
Then how do gays exist?

Try again.
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Well why does any disease exist why do people go blind, why are children born autistic. We shouldn't deny these people medical help. It seem that's what you're angling at.
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We don't need medical help. There are tons of organisations that are against the "Converting" of homosexuals, and it is no longer considered a disorder, and has not for a long time.
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I do not agree with trying to convert and if your happy that's fine but don't you think a scientific cause should be looked into. For the sake of science we need to know. I honestly believe that homosexually will fade away once parents start to genetically engineer children. As for myself. I will order tall fit intelligent and straight children and so will millions of other people. We're almost there and nothing will stop it.

[quote name='Pliskron' post='3271565' date='Nov 17 2010, 08:22 PM'][quote name='MFDC12' post='3271559' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:17 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271556' date='Nov 17 2010, 08:15 PM'][quote name='Urza' post='3271545' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:11 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271541' date='Nov 17 2010, 05:08 PM']It pretty obvious that being gay isn't the natural order of things[/quote]
Then how do gays exist?

Try again.
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Well why does any disease exist why do people go blind, why are children born autistic. We shouldn't deny these people medical help. It seem that's what you're angling at.
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We don't need medical help. There are tons of organisations that are against the "Converting" of homosexuals, and it is no longer considered a disorder, and has not for a long time.
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I do not agree with trying to convert and if your happy that's fine but don't you think a scientific cause should be looked into For the sake of science.
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[quote name='Pliskron' post='3271565' date='Nov 17 2010, 06:22 PM']I do not agree with trying to convert and if your happy that's fine but don't you think a scientific cause should be looked into For the sake of science.[/quote]
What about gays who go to the organizations on their own wanting to change and lead a heterosexual life?
Deny them their rights because we think they would be happier staying gay?

[quote name='Pliskron' post='3271565' date='Nov 17 2010, 06:22 PM'][quote name='MFDC12' post='3271559' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:17 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271556' date='Nov 17 2010, 08:15 PM'][quote name='Urza' post='3271545' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:11 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271541' date='Nov 17 2010, 05:08 PM']It pretty obvious that being gay isn't the natural order of things[/quote]
Then how do gays exist?

Try again.
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Well why does any disease exist why do people go blind, why are children born autistic. We shouldn't deny these people medical help. It seem that's what you're angling at.
[/quote]

We don't need medical help. There are tons of organisations that are against the "Converting" of homosexuals, and it is no longer considered a disorder, and has not for a long time.
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I do not agree with trying to convert and if your happy that's fine but don't you think a scientific cause should be looked into For the sake of science.
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Money that could be better spent on trying to cure something that is actually harmful.

[quote name='Pliskron' post='3271565' date='Nov 17 2010, 07:22 PM'][quote name='MFDC12' post='3271559' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:17 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271556' date='Nov 17 2010, 08:15 PM'][quote name='Urza' post='3271545' date='Nov 18 2010, 01:11 AM'][quote name='Pliskron' post='3271541' date='Nov 17 2010, 05:08 PM']It pretty obvious that being gay isn't the natural order of things[/quote]
Then how do gays exist?

Try again.
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Well why does any disease exist why do people go blind, why are children born autistic. We shouldn't deny these people medical help. It seem that's what you're angling at.
[/quote]

We don't need medical help. There are tons of organisations that are against the "Converting" of homosexuals, and it is no longer considered a disorder, and has not for a long time.
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I do not agree with trying to convert and if your happy that's fine but don't you think a scientific cause should be looked into For the sake of science.
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I would love to know what causes homosexuality, strictly from a scientific stance. This would probably explain why people are heterosexual as well. I don't think it is a disorder, I think some humans are born with the instinct of homosexuality.

[quote name='Magmorph' post='3271560' date='Nov 18 2010, 12:18 AM'][quote name='ProtoKun7' post='3271557' date='Nov 17 2010, 06:16 PM'][quote name='Magmorph' post='3271524' date='Nov 17 2010, 11:59 PM']I can use the same type of argument for a different book. Harry Potter mentions London. London can be proven to be a real place therefore the book must be true.[/quote]
The major difference being that London was around before Harry Potter.
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So you are saying the passages in the Bible were written before the places they were about existed?[/quote]
Not all of them, but there are plenty of prophecies written in there, some of which still haven't happened, many have.

We're still veering off here; as I mentioned before, religion comes into these topics unwaveringly, though it's not the centre of discussion in this particular thread. It's better if we return more to that.

wow all these gays think they can attack the bible and Christians all they want but gay bashing gets censored
the bible is pretty clear on homosexuality

18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"

1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"

Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

Try again.
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Well why does any disease exist why do people go blind, why are children born autistic. We shouldn't deny these people medical help. It seem that's what you're angling at.
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We don't need medical help. There are tons of organisations that are against the "Converting" of homosexuals, and it is no longer considered a disorder, and has not for a long time.
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I do not agree with trying to convert and if your happy that's fine but don't you think a scientific cause should be looked into For the sake of science.
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Money that could be better spent on trying to cure something that is actually harmful.
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Ok it's been funny. You caught me. I've been joking the whole time but at least it's been thought provoking.

[quote name='ProtoKun7' post='3271573' date='Nov 17 2010, 07:25 PM'][quote name='Magmorph' post='3271560' date='Nov 18 2010, 12:18 AM'][quote name='ProtoKun7' post='3271557' date='Nov 17 2010, 06:16 PM'][quote name='Magmorph' post='3271524' date='Nov 17 2010, 11:59 PM']I can use the same type of argument for a different book. Harry Potter mentions London. London can be proven to be a real place therefore the book must be true.[/quote]
The major difference being that London was around before Harry Potter.
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So you are saying the passages in the Bible were written before the places they were about existed?[/quote]
Not all of them, but there are plenty of prophecies written in there, some of which still haven't happened, many have.

We're still veering off here; as I mentioned before, religion comes into these topics unwaveringly, though it's not the centre of discussion in this particular thread. It's better if we return more to that.
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Okay, a few religions, especially Christianity and Catholicism view homosexuality as sinful. Why? Many people are born this way, not by choice. I would also like to say, this is sinful because it goes against the concept of procreation. This may be true, but religion never focuses on love between humans, only love between man and god, if this is the case, then wouldn't all human love be sinful? If religion never focuses on human love, then how can any form of love be deemed sinful at all?

[quote name='deathking' post='3271575' date='Nov 17 2010, 07:25 PM']wow all these gays think they can attack the bible and Christians all they want but gay bashing gets censored
the bible is pretty clear on homosexuality

18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"

1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"

Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."[/quote]
and when exactly were these passages added, i.e. which version of the bible? the ORIGINAL bible had no view on homosexuality as far as i had learned.

also, you have cited nothing but passages that condemn the act, i know when i'm incorrect, but you seem to do what every other bible thumper does and pick out the few sentences that side with your point