I wonder if "new age liberal" (zero discipline) parent's children actually feel loved?

I don't think this really has anything to do with "new age liberals", stop stereo-typing. Bad parents have always existed, across time/political/social labels. But yes, some of those kids may likely end-up learning most of their lessons the hard way (jail, institutions, death). Unless they hopefully have other good mentors in their life.

more so they feel there parents don't care about them that sounds more apt

Socrates said:

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

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This quote might be misattributed to Socrates, but it shows that complaints about badly behaved children are pretty god damn old. It's the same for every generation, people always complain about the next generations bad behaviour. I'm pretty sure there's a word for that that eludes me right now. Hope you're aware that you're not as original as you think you are.

generational gap?
also, what would the issue be in crossing your legs?

@jt_1258 that's the point. Generational gap, that problem is as old as humanity.

That tabloid-level story garbage I won't dignify with a reply.

though there is an example of it being to far

I'm 25 and think these new age parents need a chair upside the head.

not even a bat, a chair, dam o.o, but ya, be a little more strict, do they even own belts anymore, if I came home with bad grades I could sure as hell expect the belt when I cam home

I used to go to church with this family. Their parenting method was a lot of what you are describing. They once told me, "We aren't going to discipline our children because if they learn it by themselves it will stick easier". well how the fuck are they going to learn right and wrong in a world that doesn't teach it? It is up to the parents to teach it, or else the child doesn't know.

Contrary to popular belief, children need structured environments. This doesn't have any research backing it, but rather experience. Giving a child rules to follow provides a way for them to think about certain things.

"You can't draw on the walls because I just spent 3 weeks painting them. If you do you get the belt"
"OK"
*child draws on wall*
*child gets the belt*

What won't they do again? Draw on the wall.
if they didn't get the belt, I wouldn't be so sure as to saying that.

Their children would always interrupt sacrament by running up and yelling into the microphone, as well as other things. At one point I had to go into a school and I saw their kid eating pencils out of the teacher's jar.

the punishment is the negitve reaction to there bad action, if they never get a reaction to there action they never relise it's bad, they learn from the punishment that bad things happen when they do bad things

The point is for there to be some appropriate level of reaction. It doesn't have to be a physical reaction, this could teach aggressive behavior. Taking away toys/tv/phone or 'now you can't go to that bday party' etc. can have the same effect.

but if they don't have that kind of stuff, if they don't have anything to take away, and grounding them to the corner or room does nothing

I see your point. Though, unless they live in a house with walls and nothing else, there will likely always be something superficial a kid values in the house, or something they are looking fwd to doing out of the house. Think its just more about what the parent thinks is appropriate, if its within reason and not leaving crazy marks. These days in America I've seen parents go to jail for leaving marks. Then you have kids running around being bullies, and where did they learn it from? I know there is a lot of violence in the world, but they'll learn it quickest and most consistently at home.

@blujay aperrently hitting someone with a belt is domestic abuse

Eh... I dunno. My dad apparently knew someone who when they were a kid that was never said "no" to by their parents. Apparently they did horrible in school (were never told to go to bed), smelled awful (were never told to change their clothers) and were generally disliked by everyone else. Later on she told him that she didn't like how her parents treated her. Make of that what you will.

Also, zero discipline kids are nothing new. Calling it specifically on this generation is wrong.

@SANIC - Because it is. Discipline should never be physical. A better example of punishment would be to take away toys temporarily. Doesn't harm the kid, yet gets the point that he must be punished across. Using physical violence teaches discipline out of fear, not out of getting a sense of morals.

If you happen to understand Spanish very well, look for some skits under the title "padre progresista", perhaps they will make you laugh.

Taking a belt to your kids is not abuse. Don't twist the two.

@Ev1l0rd that's the point I was trying to make. Domestic Abuse is never okay

Then perhaps calling it "new age" may not be entirely accurate. What I was referring to I did not have the correct term for it, but I mean parents that assume they have a novel new way of raising their children that simply doesn't work. When I refer to discipline, I'm including the act of sitting down with your child and telling them what they did is wrong and why - and telling them better ways to act or pay attention to.