Nintendo won the battle vs pirates - discuss

This is obviously a troll, time progress it will be harder. Times have change from what they were before, psx, n64, ps2, ds. During those previous generations firmware updates weren't even introduced in gaming and online play wasn't that big back then. Now ps3, xbox, psp, 3ds, wii, started introducing firmware updates to systems and that allowed the companies to make adjustments, test, and roll out updates which can render any exploit useless.

Please don't tell me "well why is XYZ still working on ABC", get the fuck over it. its the companies responsibility to handle the firmware roll out however they please. So far Sony has been on top of there game on firmware rollouts as well as hardware remodifications to ensure that no piracy.

tony_2018 said:

This is obviously a troll, time progress it will be harder. Times have change from what they were before, psx, n64, ps2, ds. During those previous generations firmware updates weren't even introduced in gaming and online play wasn't that big back then. Now ps3, xbox, psp, 3ds, wii, started introducing firmware updates to systems and that allowed the companies to make adjustments, test, and roll out updates which can render any exploit useless.

Please don't tell me "well why is XYZ still working on ABC", get the fuck over it. its the companies responsibility to handle the firmware roll out however they please. So far Sony has been on top of there game on firmware rollouts as well as hardware remodifications to ensure that no piracy.

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How is Nintendo gonna block sky3ds though?

escherbach said:

The new 3ds hacking methods are far too complicated and risky for online activity etc

I mean, the average joe coming to this forum with a new 3ds and wanting to run pirated games has to read about a hundred pages just to understand the correct procedures, limitations and risks.

Nintendo did well, they won.

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I'd say you're half-right. Hackable new 3ds are around, and aren't particularly more difficult to deal with than old 3ds hacks. Maybe less convenient. That being said, I agree with you on the fact that we as a community aren't the most efficient in passing along the necessary information in a condensed or even united way. Additionally there are a variety of different solutions performing the same tasks, and while having options is great in my personal opinion, it will undoubtedly add to a newbie's confusion. I wish there was a 3ds section-specific mod who would keep up with and pin the various main threads for solutions like 'RXTOOLS', 'REINAND', 'PASTA', 'SKY3DS', 'GATEWAY', and other major stable solutions. Would definitely have helped when I was first trying this out.

tipsytoto said:

That being said, I agree with you on the fact that we as a community aren't the most efficient in passing along the necessary information in a condensed or even united way.

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Absolutely. So many different tutorials that many willing members took the time and effort to create -- the downside, however, can be daunting for those just entering the 3DS hacking scene (i.e. questions pertaining to which is the "best" method, outdated material lingering around, new updates/upgrades, how not to brick/things NOT to do, extra features, etc.).

If NX has a subscription model like $15 a month and you can play every single game including back catalogue and third party (with the money being divided up to rights holders depending on what you play, like how Amazon and Apple handle it) then I'd probably subscribe for at least three years, that's $540 in games right there, without retailers or distributors taking a cut.

LoggerMan said:

If NX has a subscription model like $15 a month and you can play every single game including back catalogue and third party (with the money being divided up to rights holders depending on what you play, like how Amazon and Apple handle it) then I'd probably subscribe for at least three years, that's $540 in games right there, without retailers or distributors taking a cut.

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I like that idea! But knowing Nintendo's track record over the recent years, it's hard to see this become a reality.

HaloEffect17 said:

I like that idea! But knowing Nintendo's track record over the recent years, it's hard to see this become a reality.

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Realistically that's a bit high for most people. Maybe if it was a cross platform subscription. Curious if that would be more or less profitable than the current model.

escherbach said:

The new 3ds hacking methods are far too complicated and risky for online activity etc

I mean, the average joe coming to this forum with a new 3ds and wanting to run pirated games has to read about a hundred pages just to understand the correct procedures, limitations and risks.

Nintendo did well, they won.

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Wow, I am soooo glad you created an account here and told me that Nintendo won with the 3DS.
Little did I know, since I was so busy playing my 1700+ 3DS Game Library.
I guess now I'll have to stop playing just about every game under the sun On-Line with my N3DS, like I have been for the past 6 months.

But.... since your the guy that knows it all.... Do you think you can get them to ween me off slowly?

Like first tell me how my SKY3DS isn't working perfectly on-line?
Then let me know about how my Gateway doesn't work anymore?
Then you can break the news about how my PASTA CFW doesn't work flawlessly?
Lastly, give me time to accept that my REINand hasn't been working and to accept that I've been hallucinating all these weeks worth online gaming.
I've been apparently staring at an black screen, thinking I've been playing it al this time.

In fact, should I stop play the online games I'm playing now as I read this ??
If so, can at least wait a few more weeks as I've having too much fun playing..oh wait, I can't be playing... Nintendo won!

Or maybe, just maybe, you can please go trolling at some other site while I continue to enjoy my 100% functional On-Line N3DS that was so easy to hack, my 5 year old daughter knows how to use it.
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Can you please get a life and realize that it's only you that considers they have won even the slightest battle?

I guess plugging in a card and pressing a button or 5 minutes of loading MFW is "far too complicated" for some of us...
But then again, maybe some of us should be digging out our "Speak-n-Spell" and be done with it all. (the cow goes what again???)

i can tell its the children's schools 6 weeks half term holiday at the moment here in the UK.

In my opinion, Nintendo has quite improved on their security. So in comparison to their last generation (Wii/DS) their current generation (WiiU/3DS) is a lot harder for pirates.

But still there are a lot of options in the 3DS, there's the Sky3DS which is simple and easy to use (Although loading games on the Sky3DS require slightly more than idiotic knowledge of PC's.)

For knowledgable people, there's CFW, although it was stopped by Nintendo on the N3DS. (Sorta)

While the Wii U, in which currently has no piracy. (yet)

I wouldn't say good job, but compared to the last Nintendo hardware generation, it has improved a lot.

Sky3DS still isn't blocked => Nintendo hasn't won.

bache said:

I disagree. Anybody with experience modding the Xbox 360 will tell you that's a way bigger hassle. Modding the console either required you to pay somebody to do it for you, or open you console, connect your disk drive to your PC, pray to god you had a compatible SATA chipset, then dump your keys and write them back to the drive with the new firmware. The firmware was easily detectable to Microsoft, and mass banwaves for Xbox Live occurred right up to the introduction of the LT firmware. Aside from the modding, creating the backup media was a huge pain in the ass too. You have to use dual layer discs, which at the time of the height of Xbox modding, they were expensive at ~$1 a disc, and quite often produced coasters. Before you actually burnt the game to a disc though, you'd have to patch it with ABGX to verify it was safe enough for use without being banned from Live. Half the time, you'd have to wait up to a week before games were added to the database to be marked as safe.

Nintendo have made it stupidly simple. It's the people with poor reading comprehension or no patience that mess things up beyond repair.

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There's a lot of truth in this. I used to have an RGH'd console and it required damn near flawless soldering to get the chip up and working right. One wrong move could have meant the end of your motherboard and your entire console. On top of that, you had to have the right model of Xbox, along with the right firmware too. Once you did get your Coolrunner chip or knockoff soldered and ready, you have to learn how to use all of the software, and sometimes that wasn't the easiest thing to do. And lastly, it required NAND flashes to upgrade to the newer dashboards, which was all too easy to screw up, especially if the app went buggy during flash and froze = bricked

I actually agree with OP

I mean I have 2 'hacked' 3DSes but you guys are looking at it from the very narrow perspective of GBAtempers, not sure half of you know what an 'average joe' really looks like

From experience the biggest chunk of people who owned DS flashcarts is middle aged moms and dads who just doesn't want to pay money for their kids games. If you think they're gonna mess around with exploits and NAND backups and CFW and private headers you are so wrong

That's a significant portion of flash cart's customers out already

It's not by any means a total victory but it's a huge step forward from an anti piracy perspective

This guy is a complete dickhead. Smealum and others don't work day and night exploiting the 3DS for people like OP to say "Nintendo won and we lost because everyone else is retarded and can't read a few tutorials on the website"

goober said:

Sky3DS works fairly easily... And battling pirates is stupid and waste of resources. It's a boogeyman chase. Otherwise Piracy would have killed the 360 and made the PS3 truly successful and not a borderline disaster up to its midcycle when it was finally broken. The DS wouldn't have broke sales numbers, both software and hardware, at all because it was hacked so early in its lifespan. The PSP never would have "recovered from piracy", or rather recover from Sony's disastrous handling of it.

It's just fairly frustrating seeing resources be wasted on anti-piracy and anti-homebrew measures. But anyways, no Nintendo didn't win much of anything as long as Sky3DS exists as an easy and viable solution.

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For the most part I agree, but they have to fight piracy to an extent, they can't just leave the console wide open to everyone being like "you COULD pirate and get things for free or you could shoot us some cash for no reason".

mrolive said:

This guy is a complete dickhead. Smealum and others don't work day and night exploiting the 3DS for people like OP to say "Nintendo won and we lost because everyone else is retarded and can't read a few tutorials on the website"

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Smealum is against piracy

How old are you? DO you know what propaganda is?

With all consoles, music, movie etc piracy is nothing.

If i sell say 100 million consoles and a few thousand attempt piracy, where is the loss of incentive for a publisher. Then consider contractual agreements for supply etc. Things will sell others won't, it has 0 to do with piracy.

Open your mouth after doing research or put a ' i think' 'i believe' in front of your spiel. You have been had and don't take my word for it, do some research so your opinions are atleast factually informed.

Tricking many to believe and take a stance, does not make it in any way real or factual, regardless the blind support many show.

Support a community that supports you, not fat cat money spinners who would sell out their mother for profit.

Corporate sheep are like a turkey voting for Christmas blinded to the fact they are being themselves eaten for dinner.

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king_leo said:

For the most part I agree, but they have to fight piracy to an extent, they can't just leave the console wide open to everyone being like "you COULD pirate and get things for free or you could shoot us some cash for no reason".


Smealum is against piracy

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What a load of nonsense, Smealum is against releasing a piracy tool to the masses. Just like KARL, but has no issue using the said tool and using pirated material in their own venture for their own purpose.

Any stance is fair in one's own work and release's i guess, but call a spade a spade with transperancy. They all use pirated material in their working environment, licensed game rips included.

In the easiest noob friendly self booting cfw less than 1% will use it, they know that more than you..... It is all about FEAR, EGO and MONETARY INCENTIVE.

OP just wants to know how to make it easy....nothing ever is.

tony_2018 said:

So far Sony has been on top of there game on firmware rollouts as well as hardware remodifications to ensure that no piracy.

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True... but only really if you care about online and have no backlog. I can wait for the PS5 to come out to buy the PS4, like I did with the PS3 and PS2.

- Patient Gamer master race

hunter010709 said:

How old are you? DO you know what propaganda is?

With all consoles, music, movie etc piracy is nothing.

If i sell say 100 million consoles and a few thousand attempt piracy, where is the loss of incentive for a publisher. Then consider contractual agreements for supply etc. Things will sell others won't, it has 0 to do with piracy.

Open your mouth after doing research or put a ' i think' 'i believe' in front of your spiel. You have been had and don't take my word for it, do some research so your opinions are atleast factually informed.

Tricking many to believe and take a stance, does not make it in any way real or factual, regardless the blind support many show.

Support a community that supports you, not fat cat money spinners who would sell out their mother for profit.

Corporate sheep are like a turkey voting for Christmas blinded to the fact they are being themselves eaten for dinner.

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What a load of nonsense, Smealum is against releasing a piracy tool to the masses. Just like KARL, but has no issue using the said tool and using pirated material in their own venture for their own purpose.

Any stance is fair in one's own work and release's i guess, but call a spade a spade with transperancy. They all use pirated material in their working environment, licensed game rips included.

In the easiest noob friendly self booting cfw less than 1% will use it, they know that more than you..... It is all about FEAR, EGO and MONETARY INCENTIVE.

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bache said:

I disagree. Anybody with experience modding the Xbox 360 will tell you that's a way bigger hassle.

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Not to mention ALL of the different type of mods needed for the 360. They had so many hardware revisions it made the pirates keep on their toes until the end. The model I have is a 2nd revision 1st gen which would require a chip soldered onto the board to even get it working. But I have plenty of other ways to play the games I want, and MS/Sony first party titles never live up to Nintendo's in my opinion.

tipsytoto said:

Realistically that's a bit high for most people. Maybe if it was a cross platform subscription. Curious if that would be more or less profitable than the current model.

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Yet people pay $15 for a WoW subscription. This is not that steep of a monthly fee for multiple games as the poster is suggesting.