Wii U specifications - what we know thus far + my worries.

Technical specifications
Nintendo released technical specifications of the Wii U hardware, noting that aspects are subject to change.
Processors: CPU: IBM Power Architecture-based multi-core 45 nm microprocessor
GPU: Custom-designed AMD Radeon HD (based off R700 family)
Storage:
Internal flash memory, expandable via SD memory cards and USB hard disk drives
Slot-loading optical disc drive compatible with 12 cm "proprietary high-density optical discs" (25 GB capacity) and 12 cm Wii optical discs
Ports and peripheral capabilities:
SD memory card slot (supports SDHC cards)
USB 2.0 ports (2 at front of console, 2 at rear)
Sensor Bar power port
"AV Multi Out" port
HDMI out port
Controller: Built-in accelerometer, gyroscope, speakers, front-facing camera, microphone and a 6.2 inch 16:9 touchscreen
Two Circle Pads and one Digital Pad
Select, Start, Home and Power buttons
A/B/X/Y face buttons, L/R bumper buttons and ZL/ZR trigger buttons
Controller sync button
Video: 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p or 480i, standard 4:3 and 16:9 anamorphic widescreen
"AV Multi Out" port supporting composite video, YPBPR component video, S-Video (NTSC consoles only), RGB SCART (PAL consoles only) and D-Terminal (Japan only)
HDMI out port
Audio
"AV Multi Out" port. Six-channel PCM linear output through HDMI

There is no concrete evidence of what the CPU/Memory/Storage Space end result will be, as that will be subject to change over the next 6 months or so.

Anyway from these supposed specifications:
The CPU: IBM Power Architecture-based multi-core 45 nm microprocessor is likely to be comparable to the 360's but with much high clock speeds and better cache. Comparing to PC hardware it would be like a modified AMD Phenom Black Edition Triple Core clocked at around 3-3.4GHz. I can almost guarantee it wont be Quad core as it wont be needed.
Main Memory at a minimum of 512MB, i'd hope for DDR3! Possibly 1GB although it perhaps wont be needed as the console main take is just to run a game with a couple of services running in the background.
Regarding the video memory i'm assuming it will use ultra fast GDDR5 and mostly be a HD4850 v 4890 result as those are the R700 families top cards. The video memory has to be a minimum of 512MB, but from what i gather and expect from knowledge it would need to be 1GB if they want to run high resolutions not silly low res + upscaling. Not only that it will probably support a minimum of 4-8XAA/QSAA and perhaps x8 and in some games x16 Anisotropic filtering. Not only that the video memory is having to output the video, process the video, scale it. Handle all textures/filtering/shadows etc so anything less than 1GB could cause problems and it would be bottlenecking itself. I would expect all games to run at 60+fps, and not suffer like the PS3's 30fps aswell as the 360's changeable 30 - 60fps. The hardware will definitely be capable of it, so hopefully developers are assigned to optimize the game to a extreme extent to impress Nintendo and it's users!
Regarding storage, one would expect Nintendo to release variable models with internal high capacity storage just like Sony/Microsoft consoles. Or perhaps just 1 alternative a 250GB version. Eitherway all models will use a high speed flash drive system probably around 8GB for it's file system. I'm sure we all would prefer to run our most used games off the HDD rather than the disk although you'd need the disk in to play it for security purposes.

My worries:
I hope the GPU chip is a "heavily" modified HD4850 or HD4890 with atleast 512 - 1GB of GDDR3 or GDDR5 ram. It's bound to be based on the 4850 since that's the average ATI R700 family chip, which is on par to a NVIDIA 9800GTX. Eitherway the GPU chip will be 4 years behind PC, although it's still kinda powerful.

What worries me is the resolution, hope resolutions are at the correct value, i don't want rubbish upscaled 1000x600 and the likes which most PS3/360's use.

Nintendo should create their own in game engine or atleast get a major 3rd party developer to do so.

Since it will be backwards compatible to Wii games, i'm assuming online play would still work and parts of the machine would hibernate till returned to the main menu. With services still running in the background like downloading/online friends lists, messages etc.
I also hope that they have a up-scaling addition that will run on all Wii games, this is not difficult for them!

I cant understand how the tablet controller will work, perhaps it has a separate less powered graphics chip inside it too? and then the main graphics chip counter acts with the tablet to produce high quality displays. This is the most striking area that i'm interested in.

Overall Wii U will be a pleasant experience, it's a impressive console for the price and that it would probably cost around £220 with no HDD and £300 for it's highest capacity hard drive model.

Wii Motion + is still the best option for playing most first person shooters, i just hope they have a better sensor bar so the cursor doesn't drift off to god knows where.

What i believe will be the case, i recon something like Battlefield 3 will be released on the console but perhaps it will have a wireless controller that comes with it, but would probably be around £45 to buy the game (with the controller). I'm pretty sure certain first person shooters would need a true analogue controller similar to the 360 pad (which in my opinion is the best pad ever).

And the biggest problem I see here is that when the console is released, it is 3-4years behind PC. I mean take the AMD ATI GPU series, we are in the 6000 series, not the 4000 which the Wii U will be using. So when people play it, they are gunna be like zOMG have ya seem the gfx?!!!! So again, Nintendo are going to release an outdated console. Mind you the reason for this as we all know is production costs and consumer cost. Eitherway it's still a reasonably impressive console.

Comments

what is annoying is that Nintendo can get away with this, both Sony and Microsoft released console that were in generation and would last in generation for a few years, so when Microsoft release the 720 and Sony release the PS4, they are going to be close to photo realistic. Kinda shameful in some form.
 
[quote name='UranusKiller' post='3709968' date='Jun 12 2011, 02:02 PM']what is annoying is that Nintendo can get away with this, both Sony and Microsoft released console that were in generation and would last in generation for a few years, so when Microsoft release the 720 and Sony release the PS4, they are going to be close to photo realistic. Kinda shameful in some form.[/quote]
For some reason, I doubt Sony and Microsoft's next console are going to be massive graphics jumps like it was at the beginning of this generation. But who knows, maybe they will. But I don't think there's any games on PC that have come that close, so until it happens on PC, I don't see it happening on consoles.
 
I don't think the R700 was ever actually confirmed. Although, if someone has an actual confirmation of this then I'll stand corrected.

Also I'm sceptical of wherever you quoted that from as it doesn't appear to include PAL resolution of 576i.
 
[quote name='BobTheJoeBob' post='3709972' date='Jun 12 2011, 03:06 PM'][quote name='UranusKiller' post='3709968' date='Jun 12 2011, 02:02 PM']what is annoying is that Nintendo can get away with this, both Sony and Microsoft released console that were in generation and would last in generation for a few years, so when Microsoft release the 720 and Sony release the PS4, they are going to be close to photo realistic. Kinda shameful in some form.[/quote]
For some reason, I doubt Sony and Microsoft's next console are going to be massive graphics jumps like it was at the beginning of this generation. But who knows, maybe they will. But I don't think there's any games on PC that have come that close, so until it happens on PC, I don't see it happening on consoles.
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The thing is it probably can happen on PC, but been as most games are multi-platform now, they are limited when developing by their console counterparts.
 
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[quote name='KingVamp' post='3709982' date='Jun 13 2011, 01:09 AM']Do we even need more power?[/quote]
Exactly.
I can't even imagine a lot of games' graphics being better than they are now. It's not even that important.
 
How about power for things running under the hood?

e.g. Gameplay mechanics, pre-loading data for faster loading, etc
 
[quote name='joshua8' post='3709986' date='Jun 12 2011, 03:16 PM'][quote name='KingVamp' post='3709982' date='Jun 13 2011, 01:09 AM']Do we even need more power?[/quote]
Exactly.
I can't even imagine a lot of games' graphics being better than they are now. It's not even that important.
[/quote]If that's the case why are Nintendo bringing out a more powerful console? graphics is the biggest selling point. If people say gameplay is, then why aren't they digging out their old Spectrums? lol.

[quote name='ChrisRX' post='3709978' date='Jun 12 2011, 03:08 PM']I don't think the R700 was ever actually confirmed. Although, if someone has an actual confirmation of this then I'll stand corrected.

Also I'm sceptical of wherever you quoted that from as it doesn't appear to include PAL resolution of 576i.[/quote]AMD have confirmed it. The output is what's told from wikipedia. The main and only used outputs would obviously be 1080i or 1080p, otherwise why buy the machine? lol.


[quote name='BobTheJoeBob' post='3709972' date='Jun 12 2011, 03:06 PM'][quote name='UranusKiller' post='3709968' date='Jun 12 2011, 02:02 PM']what is annoying is that Nintendo can get away with this, both Sony and Microsoft released console that were in generation and would last in generation for a few years, so when Microsoft release the 720 and Sony release the PS4, they are going to be close to photo realistic. Kinda shameful in some form.[/quote]
For some reason, I doubt Sony and Microsoft's next console are going to be massive graphics jumps like it was at the beginning of this generation. But who knows, maybe they will. But I don't think there's any games on PC that have come that close, so until it happens on PC, I don't see it happening on consoles.
[/quote]That's a valid point, the problem for this is that most PC developed moved across to stupid consoles, take Crytek for example! EA no longer develop games solely for PC, infact the only PC only game i can think of for this year is Red Orchestra 2. There are some extraordinary games if you run them maxed out at 60+fps, the likes of Crysis, Crysis 2, Metro 2033, Just Cause 2 etc.
 
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[quote name='UranusKiller' post='3710001' date='Jun 13 2011, 01:25 AM'][quote name='joshua8' post='3709986' date='Jun 12 2011, 03:16 PM'][quote name='KingVamp' post='3709982' date='Jun 13 2011, 01:09 AM']Do we even need more power?[/quote]
Exactly.
I can't even imagine a lot of games' graphics being better than they are now. It's not even that important.
[/quote]If that's the case why are Nintendo bringing out a more powerful console? graphics is the biggest selling point. If people say gameplay is, then why aren't they digging out their old Spectrums? lol.
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What I mean is, It doesn't need to get any better than 360 and PS3. :P
 
[quote name='UranusKiller' post='3710001' date='Jun 12 2011, 02:25 PM'][quote name='joshua8' post='3709986' date='Jun 12 2011, 03:16 PM'][quote name='KingVamp' post='3709982' date='Jun 13 2011, 01:09 AM']Do we even need more power?[/quote]
Exactly.
I can't even imagine a lot of games' graphics being better than they are now. It's not even that important.
[/quote]If that's the case why are Nintendo bringing out a more powerful console? graphics is the biggest selling point. If people say gameplay is, then why aren't they digging out their old Spectrums? lol.
[/quote]Graphics is the biggest selling point? What.

Have you seen Minecraft? Terraria? Or how the hundreds of indie games that are doing good.
I agree that graphics do matter but I don't agree that it's the biggest selling point.
 
[quote name='joshua8' post='3710002' date='Jun 12 2011, 10:27 PM'][quote name='UranusKiller' post='3710001' date='Jun 13 2011, 01:25 AM'][quote name='joshua8' post='3709986' date='Jun 12 2011, 03:16 PM'][quote name='KingVamp' post='3709982' date='Jun 13 2011, 01:09 AM']Do we even need more power?[/quote]
Exactly.
I can't even imagine a lot of games' graphics being better than they are now. It's not even that important.
[/quote]If that's the case why are Nintendo bringing out a more powerful console? graphics is the biggest selling point. If people say gameplay is, then why aren't they digging out their old Spectrums? lol.
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What I mean is, It doesn't need to get any better than 360 and PS3. :P
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You do know that multi-console games ALWAYS look better on the PC, right?

More power is needed then
 
Personally, I think more power should go to having more open worlds in RPGs, better graphics does make gameplay more enjoyable, but having a more open world in games that use that kind of stuff is more important IMO.
 
[quote name='prowler_' post='3710005' date='Jun 12 2011, 03:29 PM'][quote name='UranusKiller' post='3710001' date='Jun 12 2011, 02:25 PM'][quote name='joshua8' post='3709986' date='Jun 12 2011, 03:16 PM'][quote name='KingVamp' post='3709982' date='Jun 13 2011, 01:09 AM']Do we even need more power?[/quote]
Exactly.
I can't even imagine a lot of games' graphics being better than they are now. It's not even that important.
[/quote]If that's the case why are Nintendo bringing out a more powerful console? graphics is the biggest selling point. If people say gameplay is, then why aren't they digging out their old Spectrums? lol.
[/quote]Graphics is the biggest selling point? What.

Have you seen Minecraft? Terraria? Or how the hundreds of indie games that are doing good.
I agree that graphics do matter but I don't agree that it's the biggest selling point.
[/quote]Sorry the comment came out kinda wrong, i should of stated Nintendos obvious aim was to develop a console for the generation of HD, therefore the consoles main aim is graphics. Second to that is their new controller tablet system for U (your) convenience.

I should state for the most sane person in todays gaming world, at least anyone that's played games that are of some form "good graphics" they would surely state what;s important, and that is gameplay + graphics, or graphics + gameplay, or both them + control and general feel of what their console or PC/Laptop or whatever can bring.
 
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Yes,but does it really change anything? Does it change the game?
 
[quote name='UranusKiller' post='3710001' date='Jun 12 2011, 03:25 PM'][quote name='ChrisRX' post='3709978' date='Jun 12 2011, 03:08 PM']I don't think the R700 was ever actually confirmed. Although, if someone has an actual confirmation of this then I'll stand corrected.

Also I'm sceptical of wherever you quoted that from as it doesn't appear to include PAL resolution of 576i.[/quote]AMD have confirmed it. The output is what's told from wikipedia. The main and only used outputs would obviously be 1080i or 1080p, otherwise why buy the machine? lol.
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I'm pretty sure AMD have only confirmed it to be an AMD Radeon HD which covers many architectures and not just R700, or if they have confirmed R700 I can't find it.

And as for "the only used outputs", I'm sure many people like myself still have SDTVs. Nintendo wouldn't completely disregard an entire market of people without HDTVs, and they haven't by the fact they've included NTSC SD and PAL SCART which carries an SD signal. So it just seems like an error in whatever source the OP quoted.
 

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