FBI busts neo-Nazi for CP, grooming and exploiting children

[concept8192]

It means what you are doing--giving your input.



Explain, "yourself", because I think that's crossing the line into projection.

People going around calling other people groomers when they're an actual groomer. That's what he was charged for, wasn't it?

 

[supermist]

How can you not see how nasty your rhetoric is? Your fixation on your goal has made you blind to the fact that you are now comparing child rape to shop-lifting candy. I can't tell if you are trying to win votes for your color or what. All I can tell is that you are angry about something other than the crime.

Do people assume you are a sex pest because of how you voted?

Or maybe how and what you talk about.

You seem upset whenecer accurate comparisons are made between the two parties

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People going around calling other people groomers when they're an actual groomer. That's what he was charged for, wasn't it?

This is what's known as MAGA projection

 

[SylverReZ]

https://www.businessinsider.com/fed...ram-discord-grooming-exploit-children-2023-12

Well deserved. We should use the death penalty to torture predators like these.

 

[tabzer]

People going around calling other people groomers when they're an actual groomer. That's what he was charged for, wasn't it?

He wasn't charged for the hypocrisy. Who is the "your" directed at?

As OP has said, he believes it is a partisan issue.

Do you think people who vote republican (or don't vote democrat) are groomers?

You seem upset whenecer accurate comparisons are made between the two parties

I'm not offended. I do feel concerned, sad, and disappointed though. I get mixed feelings when someone wants to platform on "we rape less babies" and then compares it to stealing candy.

Well deserved. We should use the death penalty to torture predators like these.

Idk how to verify if this is true, but a lot of predators, like these, seem to turn out being victims themselves. My estimation is that people are more predictable, manipulatable, than people generally like to admit. I believe there are methods to snuffing this cycle out, but part of that is breaking the same type of stockholm's syndrome that has people conned into voting--which works against the interest of those who are elected.

 

[supermist]

As OP has said, he believes it is a partisan issue.

Do you think people who vote republican (or don't vote democrat) are groomers?

One again the data (which has demonstrated to trigger you in other threads) supports that yes, an overwhelming majority of sexual misconduct is performed by right wingers. You and others are trying to equivocate it and "both sides" it when the data suggests otherwise.

Hence the comparison of the two crimes I brought up.

 

[tabzer]

One again the data (which has demonstrated to trigger you in other threads) supports that yes, an overwhelming majority of sexual misconduct is performed by right wingers. You and others are trying to equivocate it and "both sides" it when the data suggests otherwise.

Hence the comparison of the two crimes I brought up.

I am not disputing that statistic. It should be clear *that* statistic (regardless of who you believe on such measure) isn't important when the fact is that both sides are being caught doing it more and more frequently. That's more important data, if you care about the issue. Something is wrong and you aren't fixing it.

Getting the silver medal in child exploitation is not something to be proud of. The fact that you compare it to stealing candy should be a wake up call tbh. You aren't interested in fixing the problem. You are interested in leveraging it, thus fortifying your descent into further levels of depravity.

 

[The Catboy]

Headline says neo-Nazi, but the article says it's a cult that is both somehow a "Satanic anarchist" organization which also embraces, "radical Islamic jihadist ideology and the violent tactics of jihadist groups, such as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham ("ISIS") and al Qaeda, as a means to accelerate the decline of Western society and to attack Jewish people in particular."

anarchist, jihadist ideology, right winger .... these all seem mutually exclusive to me. Only two are mentioned in the article.

Being that they are based on the Neo-Nazi group, Order of the Nine Angles, I think it’s safe to say that they are Neo-Nazis

 

[supermist]

I am not disputing that statistic. It should be clear *that* statistic (regardless of who you believe on such measure) isn't important when the fact is that both sides are being caught doing it more and more frequently. That's more important data, if you care about the issue. Something is wrong and you aren't fixing it.

Getting the silver medal in child exploitation is not something to be proud of. The fact that you compare it to stealing candy should be a wake up call tbh. You aren't interested in fixing the problem. You are interested in leveraging it, thus fortifying your descent into further levels of depravity.

What nonsense. In order to fix the problem it first needs to be identified and people like you are refusing to accept this identification. Do better.

 

[RAHelllord]

Headline says neo-Nazi, but the article says it's a cult that is both somehow a "Satanic anarchist" organization which also embraces, "radical Islamic jihadist ideology and the violent tactics of jihadist groups, such as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham ("ISIS") and al Qaeda, as a means to accelerate the decline of Western society and to attack Jewish people in particular."

anarchist, jihadist ideology, right winger .... these all seem mutually exclusive to me. Only two are mentioned in the article.

Jihad just means war, but is colloquially used for a war with the goal of complete and utter annihilation of the enemy. Nothing should remain, no survivors, none of their culture, none of their history. A complete and utter annihilation of a group (or groups) of people. Usually justified via divine guidance or similar "undisputable" conviction.
The satanic anarchism is also just and edgy dog whistle that they don't believe in democracy but want whoever has the most power to be the one leading, ie a dictatorship established and enforced by force, not laws.
The rest of the Islamic beliefs are generally just a glorification of the violent religious aspects that ISIS and similar follow because they (the neo-nazis) believe the Christian faith in the abrahamic god isn't bloody enough, but the Islamic faith in the same god is more bloody and thus better.
That and Islam specifically allows for child brides, which is pretty popular with those incels as they generally can't get an adult girlfriend/ wife so they have to get a child bride they can groom.

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I am not disputing that statistic. It should be clear *that* statistic (regardless of who you believe on such measure) isn't important when the fact is that both sides are being caught doing it more and more frequently. That's more important data, if you care about the issue. Something is wrong and you aren't fixing it.

Getting the silver medal in child exploitation is not something to be proud of. The fact that you compare it to stealing candy should be a wake up call tbh. You aren't interested in fixing the problem. You are interested in leveraging it, thus fortifying your descent into further levels of depravity.

Levels of abuse in any population will never reach zero, that's just a fact of reality and statistics.

Pretending that two sides are the same when one explicitly protects the abusers, while the other throws the abusers out is disingenuous.

And thinking that both sides are in a race to the bottom is especially hilarious when the list on one side has over a thousand entries and the other is about a dozen, while having a similarly sized pool of members on both sides.

 

[supermist]

And thinking that both sides are in a race to the bottom is especially hilarious when the list on one side has other a thousand entries and the other is about a dozen, while having a similarly sized pool of members on both sides.

This is why I continue to say that MAGAs don't understand numbers or equivalency. They continue to demonstrate that they don't.

 

[tabzer]

In order to fix the problem it first needs to be identified

That's the most progressive thing you've said to me. I don't think you've identified it based on how someone votes, or the party that they arbitrarily choose when running for office.

Levels of abuse in any population will never reach zero, that's just a fact of reality and statistics.

Levels of abuse are accelerating instead of slowing down. Saying that they will never be 0 is not a reason to not approach it.

Pretending that two sides are the same when one explicitly protects the abusers, while the other throws the abusers out is disingenuous.

Despite a platform's "intention" and how you interpret them, the statistic I pointed out indicates that the issue is systemic and is pervasive.

Tangentially, look at American TV shows and Hollywood and see how progressively they use children for their entertainment purposes. I see a lot of that as abuse, but your system says it isn't "because it's legal". I cringe every time I see a baby/child crying in a show or a movie. They aren't acting.

The solution to ending abuse isn't by "legalizing it" regardless of the platforms you use to do so.

The race to the bottom is an obvious trend in American politics and culture. You elected, George Bush jr. Trump, and Biden. I would even argue that electing Obama undermined the "hope" that America was truly after.

Every iteration of election cycles results in a lesser America than the one before. The thing that keeps America relevant in the global stage is its economic and political power--not its virtues.

 

[lolcatzuru]

https://www.businessinsider.com/fed...ram-discord-grooming-exploit-children-2023-12

Oh wow not a drag queen but a right winger.

first time for everything, i wonder if he and the trans god that was just arrested for rape will share a cell.

 

[supermist]

first time for everything, i wonder if he and the trans god that was just arrested for rape will share a cell.

You don't understand numbers.

 

[lolcatzuru]

You don't understand numbers.

do you have a source on that? i dont remember referencing a number, and im SURE you arent trying to insinuate that one person is worse than another because there are more victims, that would make it sound like you might condone the actions of one of them, which would obviously be horrible.

 

[supermist]

do you have a source on that? i dont remember referencing a number, and im SURE you arent trying to insinuate that one person is worse than another because there are more victims, that would make it sound like you might condone the actions of one of them, which would obviously be horrible.

Someone please translate this

 

[lolcatzuru]

Someone please translate this

into what language?

 

[tabzer]

Someone please translate this

He's saying that you aren't an authority and that your opinion about him not understanding numbers ignores the fact that he wasn't comparing numbers, that the crime itself is evil, regardless of frequency.

I don't think he's fully consistent, but I do believe that is trying to emphasize a point you are ignoring.

The suggestion that you have the best group of child abusers really begs the question of why you are platforming at all.

When are you going to admit it's broken and doesn't identify the real problem?

I can tell I'm dealing with an intelligent bunch. Too bad mods don't have a literacy requirement. Framing democrats as good-guys because republicans exist as a contrast is ridiculous. If you don't know now, you will find out over time.

 

[RAHelllord]

Levels of abuse are accelerating instead of slowing down. Saying that they will never be 0 is not a reason to not approach it.

Levels of abuse are actually going down over all as more people on the left educate their kids better thanks to the gop shining a bright light on the shitshow that the education was previously, and how they are gutting it out further.

Despite a platform's "intention" and how you interpret them, the statistic I pointed out indicates that the issue is systemic and is pervasive.

Tangentially, look at American TV shows and Hollywood and see how progressively they use children for their entertainment purposes. I see a lot of that as abuse, but your system says it isn't "because it's legal". I cringe every time I see a baby/child crying in a show or a movie. They aren't acting.

The solution to ending abuse isn't by "legalizing it" regardless of the platforms you use to do so.

Abuse isn't being legalized on the left, it's the right changing laws to further child abuse by keeping child marriage legal, by allowing kids to work in meat plants, by disallowing free school lunches, by removing sex ed from the curriculums, by forcing them to carry a pregnancy to term even when it was rape.
The left regularly introduces bills to help with all of those issues and the GOP consistently votes against them as they don't want children to be protected, they want them vulnerable so they can point a finger at them and rile up their bases about the problems they create and help maintain.

The race to the bottom is an obvious trend in American politics and culture. You elected, George Bush jr. Trump, and Biden. I would even argue that electing Obama undermined the "hope" that America was truly after.

Every iteration of election cycles results in a lesser America than the one before. The thing that keeps America relevant in the global stage is its economic and political power--not its virtues.

I don't know who you think "you" is but as a German I don't elect US presidents of any kind.
You could easily look up political debates and proposed laws to see how they changed and why as they were debated to figure who is actually cutting and undermining any progress the US is trying to have.
If it's both sides why aren't there any Democrat led abortion bans in the US? If it's both sides why are the pedos and abusers thrown out of the democratic party but are protected in the GOP? If it's both sides why does only one side have a president that stored top classified documents in his own bathroom and showed them to Kid Rock?

You need to stop getting your news from memes and headlines.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

But hey drag queens

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Well deserved. We should use the death penalty to torture predators like these.

Don't mean to be pedantic, but death penalty is by definition the end of torture

 

[tabzer]

Levels of abuse are actually going down over all

That's a departure from the previous claim. I'd like to be optimistic, but I'd have to take your word for it. The issue has been increasing in intensity regarding attention, but I haven't seen evidence that it's "going down over all", or the installation of a particular mechanism that would lead me to believe so.

as more people on the left educate their kids better thanks to the gop shining a bright light on the shitshow that the education was previously, and how they are gutting it out further.

Educating kids doesn't address the issue of correcting the behaviors of predators and exploiters--> unless you are going for a longterm solution where you can dissuade children from growing up to become abusers.

Abuse isn't being legalized on the left, it's the right changing laws to further child abuse by keeping child marriage legal, by allowing kids to work in meat plants, by disallowing free school lunches, by removing sex ed from the curriculums,

I already pointed out the demoralizing trend of Hollywood and American media exploiting children for entertainment. If you think that's a non-issue, please say so. Maybe you are right and that kind of abuse was always legal.

by forcing them to carry a pregnancy to term even when it was rape.

?

This insinuation of consensual child-pregnancies is pretty loud there.

I don't know who you think "you" is but as a German I don't elect US presidents of any kind.

Sorry, I thought I was talking to an American. The degree of how far your personal support goes into electing presidents is a bit off topic.

You could easily look up political debates and proposed laws to see how they changed and why as they were debated to figure who is actually cutting and undermining any progress the US is trying to have.
If it's both sides why aren't there any Democrat led abortion bans in the US? If it's both sides why are the pedos and abusers thrown out of the democratic party but are protected in the GOP? If it's both sides why does only one side have a president that stored top classified documents in his own bathroom and showed them to Kid Rock?

Yes. It's a two party system. The results are perpetually getting worse. Neither party is able to be effective. That's kind of my point. Are you proposing that the "final" solution is to make it a one party system of democrats? I think it is more likely that people will elect a fourth Reich than to re-elect the third one. I'd like to see decentralized (and more importantly, verifiable) consensus seeking measures, myself. Pitting child rapists against child groomers, and asking voters to choose between the two is post-Trump insanity. Electing Trump was already proof of insanity, but you want to keep pushing it. How long before you are teaching children about the virtues of being a furry?

You need to stop getting your news from memes and headlines.

If you are interested in citing something, other than just headlines, be my guest.