Wii U hacked?

[Issac]

You got a copy without buying it. Sale was lost. Doesn't matter how craptastic it was. Developer is out money they would have gotten if you decided to buy that crappy shovelware. You didn't pay, you aren't entitled for that copy. All in my above post.

Nah, not really. It can't be a lost sale, since I would never buy it. Sure, I have a copy of it which I'm not entitled for, but still they didn't lose a sale because I downloaded it.
I did not download it INSTEAD of buying it. I downloaded it to prove that I can download something which I would never think of buying. But I see your point.

Another perspective: Say I make 5 copies of a game total. (Talk about limited edition!) Then I sell them all! Whoop! But one of the guys puts it online, and get's 5000 downloads. This can't possibly be 5000 lost sales, out of 5 possible. You see what I'm getting at?

 

[omega59]

I love how this got posted after it was pasted on irc HAHA! OH YEAH before i forget check this out too.....

http://pastebin.com/PN66Nc3g

ZombiU.USA.WiiU-VIMTO <------ watch it hit news head lines now.

 

[Rydian]

You got a copy without buying it. Sale was lost. Doesn't matter how craptastic it was. Developer is out money they would have gotten if you decided to buy that crappy shovelware. You didn't pay, you aren't entitled for that copy. All in my above post.

Please read my post. The concept of "lost sale" is bullshit. It's a lie, it's a fantasy.

 

[Rockhoundhigh]

Well fuck... that was quick, now all we have to do is wait for geohot to take all the credit. And on a side note I hope they can keep this piracy free for now, the last thing the Wii U needs this early on is developers and the forums going apeshit over piracy already.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Maybe they just found a way to send video to the gamepad itself, and haven't actually hacked the wii u?

That is very possible, but it sure would be disappointing after a teaser like this...
Still, maybe that means they can make it work in Wii Mode without a Wii U mode hack.

Edit:

The next tweet after that picture says:

"And just to make it clear, this is from a WiiU, not a PC"


https://twitter.com/fail0verflow/status/281164976058679296

Well, that clears that up. Glad it's not just a WiiU gamepad hack.

 

[Gagarin]

Actually, I have better example. If companies are crying about their stolen copies - just take the data back! Take files from pirates hard drives and you got your games recovered! Right?
You do not want that? You want money for each copy in case of arrest, right? Wonder why...

 

[GameGeek]

Please read my post. The concept of "lost sale" is bullshit. It's a lie, it's a fantasy.

How is that bullshit? If you pirate a game that you would otherwise have bought, you've costed its makers a sale.

 

[Sicklyboy]

How is that bullshit? If you pirate a game that you would otherwise have bought, you've costed its makers a sale.

Again. Not necessarily so if the item in question would not have been purchased in the first place.

Let me look in my Games folder. Need for Speed:MW Black Edition, PC. (edit 2 - this reminded me that I have the copy of it I downloaded, making it slightly less urgent to get my 360 copy back from my friend). Would not have bought that, but I pirated it. Me not buying it because I pirated it is as much a "lost sale" as me not buying it because I didn't want it period, which is as much a "lost sale" as me not buying it because I don't have a penny to my name.

Something can't be lost if it was never had to begin with.

Edit - DiRT2, Blacksite - Area 51, Burnout Paradise, CoD MW2, DMC 3, DMC 4... the devs lost no sales over these games because I pirated them; I wouldn't have even bought them in the first place. I haven't even played the copies I downloaded.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

That's true, I realize that, which is why the Homebrew community should collectively work towards attracting new members - show that coding isn't all that hard and with a little effort, you get to do something incredibly rewarding, even if you "code for the sake of it" like I do.

Besides, it's always nice to play ports of your favourite games from the olden days on the big screen, especially if you still happen to own them - it's not always a matter of piracy.

As for the IM apps, I think they're going to be quite popular on the WiiU since the tablet appears to be perfect for a virtual keyboard and... well, can be taken anywhere, which is close enough to a laptop.

The tablet would be perfect, were it not for the fact that you have to use the stylus to get reliable input which slows things down a lot.
Plus it lacks spelling corrections.

Once the hack's full effect comes to fruition, and Nintendo releases their first Gamecube game as a VC title, I wonder how long before the entire GCN collection will be playable. (Hoping GCN emulation isn't like the N64 on Wii where only a handful of titles could be injected).

It likely will be, since an emulator only capable of playing the games they release is easier to make than a perfect emulator that can emulate every game (a lot of which won't be released on VC anyway, either due to licensing issues or something else)

Again. Not necessarily so if the item in question would not have been purchased in the first place.

That's what he said

 

[Dr Eggman]

Can anyone say N64 and GameCube games on that sweet game pad.....





On the toilet? lol. But seriously if true there goes my money.

 

[Devin]

Thing I wonder is, if there wasn't a way to pirate who knows what you'd be willing to buy? If you downloaded the games if obviously got your attention enough for you to play it. Anyone can point and say I wouldn't buy X but I pirated. No one truly knows what we'd do if piracy never existed. Unless you're ProtoKun7. So I think of it in a middle area, but I lean more towards the lost sale portion until someone brings me proof of their alternate self not ever buying a game they pirated because piracy didn't existed.

 

[Sicklyboy]

Thing I wonder is, if there wasn't a way to pirate who knows what you'd be willing to buy? If you downloaded the games if obviously got your attention enough for you to play it. Anyone can point and say I wouldn't buy X but I pirated. No one truly knows what we'd do if piracy never existed. Unless you're ProtoKun7. So I think of it in a middle area, but I lean more towards the lost sale portion until someone brings me proof of their alternate self not ever buying a game they pirated because piracy didn't existed.

I can't buy that which I can not afford. When I pirated that Need for Speed MW game, as an example, I had no money. If I can't buy something, the developer doesn't have the sale in the first place, period.

The circumstances are a little different now, as I have a job, so I can buy games, but I still can't afford to buy them. The difference being before I literally had no money.

 

[Rydian]

How is that bullshit? If you pirate a game that you would otherwise have bought, you've costed its makers a sale.

And if I go over to a friend's house to watch his DVD instead of buying my own, I've cost the makers a sale since two people got to experience the movie while only the first person paid. Wait no.

As plasma said, something can't be "lost" if it never existed to begin with. That's why piracy goes to civil court, not criminal court. The act of pirating does not cause monetary loss. I mean, if downloading a song DOES subtract money out of some company's bank account, I'm sure like to know how the fuck that works. XD

 

[ferofax]

It's funny how people are throwing shit over piracy on a forum that's a known cesspool of "privateers", lol. I hope I didn't start it, heh.

Oh, and surprised ZombiU already has an ISO. I wonder how they validate that.

Anyways, I hope they keep the lid on piracy for a bit. A long good while. Let the console peak first. Give it a running start.

 

[the_randomizer]

How is that bullshit? If you pirate a game that you would otherwise have bought, you've costed its makers a sale.

Did you even read this http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...llegal-downloads-dont-equal-17000-lost-sales/

The perpetrator downloaded several thousand songs, each worth x amount, but he wasn't forced to pay for every single one of them. If that were the case, he'd own nearly 1,000,000 in damages. The files are not physical, they're digital, one download doesn't cost them one sale.

 

[Devin]

Then you save up. If piracy didn't exist. (And those who don't know how to pirate, are experiencing this.) Then you save up money to buy the game. I suppose we could call it losing a potential sale.

Piracy Exists->No money->Pirate
Piracy Exists->Money (Can't afford.)->Pirate

No Piracy->No money->No purchase, no piracy, or save up.
No Piracy->Money->Buy game.

Not a thing is taken in the world where piracy doesn't exist. You either have enough to get the game, don't get the game or save up to get the game. While in today's world you can pirate it either way. Piracy affects your decision of whether or not you'll buy a game. Therefore effecting the sale.

 

[Rydian]

I suppose we could call it losing a potential sale.

When my girlfriend refused to blow me because she watched porn instead I lost a potential blowjob.
Takin' porn compneez 2 court 4 my loss, brb.
</obviously kidding>

 

[Devin]

When my girlfriend refused to blow me because she watched porn instead I lost a potential blowjob.
Takin' porn compneez 2 court 4 my loss, brb.
</obviously kidding>

Why would you want to be blown on? Wind does that for free.

 

[Chaossaturn]

I love how this got posted after it was pasted on irc HAHA! OH YEAH before i forget check this out too.....

http://pastebin.com/PN66Nc3g

ZombiU.USA.WiiU-VIMTO <------ watch it hit news head lines now.

Is vimto a hacking team or something never heard of them, it not on the interwebs yet, I wonder how big it is (for fun I guess 8GB).

 

[Rydian]

Why would you want to be blown on? Wind does that for free.

On a more serious note, do you get what I'm saying? Crying foul over a potentially-lost sale just opens up way too much crap.
That's why piracy goes to civil court for copyright infringement, instead of civil court for losses (because there are none).

P.S. US government finally admits most piracy estimates are bogus.
(Only interesting stuff is in the first half.) Includes such things as anti-piracy groups referring to an FBI study that never took place, and more. The article wasn't able to figure out where some of the numbers used even came from.