The US Government Has Shut Down

[FluffyLunamoth]

The GOP blew it for 2016, they aren't going to have control of the Senate, as they are also messing with money of the Special Interest groups and corporations that fund them. The longer the shutdown, the worst it will be for them come 2016.

Yeah they will. Look up Gerrymandering. It's exactly what they're doing right now. Voting means absolutely nothing anymore(don't think it's mattered for about...well...gotta be over a decade)

As expected, the media is going to pin all the blame on the GOP.

The majority of americans did not favor 'Obamacare', but it was essentially rammed down everyone's throat. The Senate ends up rejecting a bill that would keep the government funded, except 'Obamacare' (which again, the majority of americans do not like.)

So the media can place all the blame on the GOP, but really, both sides are responsible, perhaps the Democrats even more, just to keep their unpopular law.

Point me to your proof that the majority didn't favor it. Legit majority, not manipulated "majority"

 

[grossaffe]

Well really, it's not like this was Obama's fault. I mean getting a better health care system? EVERYBODY should be in favor of that. Anybody who disagrees should be exiled to Mexico.

It's just a whole shit ton of problems that have caused this ranging back from before Obama was president.
But iono, this picture reminds me of this:

lol, "better".

 

[Gahars]

As expected, the media is going to pin all the blame on the GOP.

The majority of americans did not favor 'Obamacare', but it was essentially rammed down everyone's throat. The Senate ends up rejecting a bill that would keep the government funded, except 'Obamacare' (which again, the majority of americans do not like.)

So the media can place all the blame on the GOP, but really, both sides are responsible, perhaps the Democrats even more, just to keep their unpopular law.

Mitt Romney ran on a platform of repealing The Affordable Care Act. This and the economy were the entire basis of his campaign. If the country was so against the ACA, you'd think that he would be our president right now. As it turns out, Romney lost by a clear margin. Not only that, Democrats gained seats in the Senate and House of Representatives. That's hardly a mandate against the bill.

Not to mention that the polling on the issue of healthcare leaves a lot to be desired. Just changing the name you use alters the results tremendously.

Holding the nation's budget hostage over health care was a brazen display. It's a shame that extremists in the Republican party would rather bring the country down than admit that they lost this battle and move on. It's the political equivalent of a temper tantrum and it is embarrassing.

 

[PolloDiablo]

USA... that's what happen when you spend all of your money playing T.E.G. with the world

 

[Bobbybangin]

It's amusing to read my facebook news feed and these forums and see the amount of people who have absolutely no idea how politics work and are blinded by their own simple spite. It's even more amusing how many of those people I have blocked in my news feed. We can still be friends, I just can't tolerate the level of ignorance that some people openly display for everybody to see. It's simple, the president passed a health care bill in perfect and due legal process. It was upheld by the Supreme court vote as constitutional, confirming it's legality. If you're blaming anybody other than John Boehner and the GOP for the shutdown, that they didn't have to make happen, you've got the wrong idea. Because this was totally their choice. After being defeated 44 times they still opted for a shutdown. I can only imagine the outrage if Obama had overridden the system in this same fashion. They hate our president more than they love our country. Their policy has changed from one of bettering American lives to simply stopping all progress in an effort to regain power. You're more than welcome to hold your beliefs, but don't blame those who aren't responsible and don't punish undeserving people out of your temper-tantrum. Just because one side lost doesn't mean they should be allowed to hold people's jobs hostage and further hurt the American economy.

 

[rusty shackleford]

 

[Sporky McForkinspoon]

As expected, the media is going to pin all the blame on the GOP.

The majority of americans did not favor 'Obamacare', but it was essentially rammed down everyone's throat. The Senate ends up rejecting a bill that would keep the government funded, except 'Obamacare' (which again, the majority of americans do not like.)

So the media can place all the blame on the GOP, but really, both sides are responsible, perhaps the Democrats even more, just to keep their unpopular law.

That's only true for a given value of true. A very slim majority of people will if asked tell you they are not in favor of Obamacare (last I checked, this may have changed), however almost two thirds of people will approve of the ACA if you describe the way it works to people and ask if they would like a law that worked that way. Further, two thirds of the third that still doesn't like it thinks the problem is that a public option or single payer system should exist like in every other civilized country.

It's pretty disingenuous to say that most people don't like Obamacare when a close examination of the numbers shows that most people do want something almost exactly like Obamacare, or in the alternative socialized medicine.

 

[Lacius]

The following video does a good job explaining the history behind what's going on if you've got 16 minutes to spare: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-maddow/53151808#53151808

 

[trumpet-205]

It's pretty disingenuous to say that most people don't like Obamacare when a close examination of the numbers shows that most people do want something almost exactly like Obamacare, or in the alternative socialized medicine.

If ACA doesn't include individual mandate, I support it.

 

[Sicklyboy]

This just in - The US Government has been a player in Hell's Kitchen this entire time and their latest dish caused great distress to Gordon Ramsay.

 

[The Catboy]

As expected, the media is going to pin all the blame on the GOP.

The majority of americans did not favor 'Obamacare', but it was essentially rammed down everyone's throat. The Senate ends up rejecting a bill that would keep the government funded, except 'Obamacare' (which again, the majority of americans do not like.)

So the media can place all the blame on the GOP, but really, both sides are responsible, perhaps the Democrats even more, just to keep their unpopular law.

Actually more people support the Affordable Health Care act than they did "Obamacare." In reality, they are supporting the same act with just a different name. None the less the GOP are actually to blame because instead of working together they worked together with the soul intend to bring down one man. The GOP has voted more on repealing this one law than they have on any other law, even more than they did on repealing any of the expensive and invasive laws Bush created, then instead of settling they just ragequit and shutdown the government. Neither side is perfect, but when one side decides to hold the entire country hostage just to shutdown one man, it's pretty easy to say who is the most guilty in all of this.

 

[Blaze163]

So.....as I understand it the short version of this is that two groups of equally stupid people who decide on things based on some crazed sense of near tribal alignment instead of actually listening to the issues then discussing them rationally couldn't reach an agreement, and now they're all sulking?

 

[Lacius]

If ACA doesn't include individual mandate, I support it.

In a nutshell, the individual mandate has the same purpose as having people pay into Social Security and Medicare who are not yet reaping the benefits. There are also exemptions to the mandate. Regardless, how one feels about the ACA and/or individual mandate is irrelevant should be irrelevant to what's going on with the budget and government shutdown.
https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/

 

[Flame]

US government shuts down.


the plan is in motion....


this is the perfect time to take back the colonies.... FULL SHIPS AHEAD....

 

[grossaffe]

US government shuts down.


the plan is in motion....


this is the perfect time to take back the colonies.... FULL SHIPS AHEAD....

Don't forget that our citizenship is more armed than your military. Bring it on, servant-to-the-crown.

 

[Lacius]

So.....as I understand it the short version of this is that two groups of equally stupid people who decide on things based on some crazed sense of near tribal alignment instead of actually listening to the issues then discussing them rationally couldn't reach an agreement, and now they're all sulking?

No, it's one group of stupid people taking advantage of a broken system in order to take the government hostage and threaten to shut it down if they don't get things they want (e.g. ending Obamacare, contraception issues, etc.) that are irrelevant to the budget and potential shutdown. It would be analogous to a liberal House demanding a conservative Senate and conservative President make gay marriage legal or else they will shut down the government.

 

[ComeTurismO]

Crap. I think in this political deadlock, there needs to be a coalition government, so bills can be passed, and things can actually happen.

 

[Blaze163]

No, it's one group of stupid people taking advantage of a broken system in order to take the government hostage and threaten to shut it down if they don't get things they want (e.g. ending Obamacare, contraception issues, etc.) that are irrelevant to the budget and potential shutdown. It would be analogous to a liberal House demanding a conservative Senate and conservative President make gay marriage legal or else they will shut down the government.

So it's one group bitching and throwing their toys out of the pram because they're not getting their own way?

Either way, not exactly the sort of adult behavior you expect from the government of supposedly the most powerful nation on the planet. If anyone needs me I'll be building a rocket to Mars, seems pretty clear things on this planet have gone tits up.

 

[Black-Ice]

there needs to be a coalition government,

Learn from Britain.
There cant be a coalition, only the leader and his bitch.
*Cough* Nick Clegg

 

[ComeTurismO]

Learn from Britain.
There cant be a coalition, only the leader and his bitch.
*Cough* Nick Clegg

LOL! True. I just typed up stuff I learned from Grade 8 Canadian History, which was months ago. LOL.
You know what? It's because of people like you that make my day. Thank you so much, I had a good laugh =)