[PPOTW #32] Who had the best E3?

Who had the best E3?

  • Microsoft

    Votes: 58 5.5%
  • Nintendo

    Votes: 849 80.9%
  • Sony

    Votes: 142 13.5%

  • Total voters
    1,049

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I fucking hated the one from Nintendo for two things: one, their incredible arrogance to say "oh, we know all the other major companies have said most of everything in the E3, but we are going to say fuck you because we are superior and take 4 more hours of gameplay no one asked for", and two the whole E3 was a Starfox teaser to push fans into watching that stupid Treehouse show. And what did we get? "These new flight controls kick ass! By the way they will be in the next Starfox game. Now back to the robots".
The one from Microsoft was too focused on phew phew boom boom.
I didn't watch the one from Sony.
Sadly, the one from Ubisoft looked like the best thing out of this crappy E3. The level of "neat" from Just Dance was way over the squid game.
 

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It doesn't change the fact that mkdms14 has a very valid point. We already saw the general reaction to Nintendo's presentation, with everybody automatically saying "OMG WIN THEY SHOWED ZELDA WHAT A SURPRISE". Of course, these same people bash other presentations for not showing "real gameplay" where as you can be damned sure that the Zelda trailer in no way represents what you will actually be able to do in game. They take a biased approach to the presentations as well, many not even watching Sony or Microsoft's because they figure it won't interest them anyways. Thus, they don't fairly judge the conference by the actual level of the performance, but rather, by the company they liked the most. Nintendo has to do at least five times worse than the next best presentation for any of the Nintendo fans on this website to even come close to admitting that Nintendo didn't have a great presentation, and even then, there is that dedicated group that will consistently be naysayers in the face of Sony's or Microsoft's progress.

All in all, this poll is predictable, much like asking what this site feels is the worst of the big three from this last generation. We all knew the 360 would be picked. It was just a formality for the competition of worst console. Outside of situations like that, I see no reason to ever post such a painfully predictable poll on such an overwhelmingly biased website.


The victim mentality is strong with this one.

Don't worry I am sure Sony's and Microsoft's next E3 will be fantastic.

Then you can sing the praises of who ever it is you like, but this year it was Nintendo's year to shine and they did a fantastic job.

BTW they showed more than just Zelda if you bothered to watch it ;) (Zelda was cool but that part of the show was like 50 seconds long and barely had an impact.)

Edit: I would like to add that I in fact DID watch all 3 presentations. If you makes you feel better I will give Sony credit where it is due, at least they didn't have any Youtube moments like "599 US dollars!!!" or "Giant Enemy Crab!!!" or "Riiiidddge Raaaacer!!!" So in that respect they did a fantastic job. (It may sound like I am being sarcastic but far from it, I am not kidding at all.)

Edit: Sometimes just not fucking up is a major improvement.
 

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The victim mentality is strong with this one.

Don't worry I am sure Sony's and Microsoft's next E3 will be fantastic.

Then you can sing the praises of who ever it is you like, but this year it was Nintendo's year to shine and they did a fantastic job.

BTW they showed more than just Zelda if you bothered to watch it ;) (Zelda was cool but that part of the show was like 50 seconds long and barely had an impact.)
Zelda is all anybody here cares about, in case you couldn't tell by the fact that almost nothing else from Nintendo's E3 has been actively discussed on this forum since Nintendo's presentation. Also, in what way am I wrong about how this site and how this community operates? It's amazing how hard it can be for some people to place themselves on the outside and abandon their biases for at least 30 seconds to understand how this community functions.

By the way, good job not proving my point about people devolving their arguments by becoming condescending assholes. Totally proved me wrong.
 

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Zelda is all anybody here cares about, in case you couldn't tell by the fact that almost nothing else from Nintendo's E3 has been actively discussed on this forum since Nintendo's presentation. Also, in what way am I wrong about how this site and how this community operates? It's amazing how hard it can be for some people to place themselves on the outside and abandon their biases for at least 30 seconds to understand how this community functions.

By the way, good job not proving my point about people devolving their arguments by becoming condescending assholes. Totally proved me wrong.

Devolving into insults, I will attempt to keep from delving to those depths.

Anyway no Zelda is far from all that is being discussed in the forums, everything from all three E3 presentations has been pretty much discussed.

You seem pretty obsessed about this whole Zelda thing.
 

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Devolving into insults, I will attempt to keep from delving to those depths.

Anyway no Zelda is far from all that is being discussed in the forums, everything from all three E3 presentations has been pretty much discussed.

You seem pretty obsessed about this whole Zelda thing.
Ah, excuse me, Zelda and Super Smash Bros Super Not All That Nintendo Anymore. I tend to forget about the latter since we've known pretty much everything except the full character roster for a few months now. Also, largely, E3 has been ignored. Destiny has been discussed because, well, ya know, the alpha is out. Microsoft's has been so completely ignored that it's only really come up when comparing it to what others did, and I guess we're pretending that the third parties didn't do any conferences. Sony has only really been discussed where Destiny is concerned, and once again, that's due to the alpha being out exclusively on the PS4 currently. In the mean time, after Nintendo's presentation ended, Zelda was about the only thing that got its own threads (multiple, more than one). In fact, out of everything presented at E3, Zelda is just about the only thing that got its own front page news article set apart from all of the other E3 information. As well, we had the E3 thread where it was discussed, a front paged thread where it was discussed, another thread I saw earlier today comparing this Zelda trailer to the tech demo, and I would probably have more examples if I cared enough to go dig up more instead of just using what I can recall off the top of my head. Otherwise discussion in the forum has been regularly focused on 3DS hacking progress, as well as the new Wii U exploit. Nobody has gone out of their way to really discuss other parts of E3 at any kind of length. And hell, the only reason we don't have even more Zelda threads is because we only got a 54 second trailer. If we had actually gotten real gameplay, I'm sure we would be at exponentially more threads by now.

If you want to show me all these other games that got multiple threads discussing them that were just announced at E3 though, go for it. I'm sure your fruitless search will prove to be a good time. Just to remind you, I don't really count Smash, as at this point, people have been discussing it for months. I don't focus on Zelda because it's an easy target, but because it's the prime example of why people blindly vote Nintendo. I can assure you, most of you won't give a damn about the rest of what they presented until it is much, much closer to release, either because we've known about it for over a year in some capacity, or because it's just another underwhelming entry in an established series.

By the by, blatant insults or passively aggressively attacking somebody, neither is better than the other. You aren't a better person just because you don't insult somebody out right. If anything, more people become aggravated by somebody being passive aggressive than they do at the person willing to just speak their mind.

On an ending note, if you had read my first post in this thread, you would have found that I thought all three conferences were seriously lacking in both surprising and exciting news. "None of the above" expresses my overall opinion about E3 more than anything else.
 

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I like how he talk about insults as if most of the time he isn't the one to start them.
I like how you speak about me indirectly instead of just doing a quote and snip. Also, I insult people. I've been doing it for three years now, though, I'm sure I was very polite for at least the first week I was here. I would think that especially you, based on some of our past interactions, would understand that very well by now. And once again, I may openly insult, but most of you are very passive aggressive. Few of you that post regularly are saints. We're all assholes in our own special ways.
 

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Ah, excuse me, Zelda and Super Smash Bros Super Not All That Nintendo Anymore. I tend to forget about the latter since we've known pretty much everything except the full character roster for a few months now. Also, largely, E3 has been ignored. Destiny has been discussed because, well, ya know, the alpha is out. Microsoft's has been so completely ignored that it's only really come up when comparing it to what others did, and I guess we're pretending that the third parties didn't do any conferences. Sony has only really been discussed where Destiny is concerned, and once again, that's due to the alpha being out exclusively on the PS4 currently. In the mean time, after Nintendo's presentation ended, Zelda was about the only thing that got its own threads (multiple, more than one). In fact, out of everything presented at E3, Zelda is just about the only thing that got its own front page news article set apart from all of the other E3 information. As well, we had the E3 thread where it was discussed, a front paged thread where it was discussed, another thread I saw earlier today comparing this Zelda trailer to the tech demo, and I would probably have more examples if I cared enough to go dig up more instead of just using what I can recall off the top of my head. Otherwise discussion in the forum has been regularly focused on 3DS hacking progress, as well as the new Wii U exploit. Nobody has gone out of their way to really discuss other parts of E3 at any kind of length. And hell, the only reason we don't have even more Zelda threads is because we only got a 54 second trailer. If we had actually gotten real gameplay, I'm sure we would be at exponentially more threads by now.

If you want to show me all these other games that got multiple threads discussing them that were just announced at E3 though, go for it. I'm sure your fruitless search will prove to be a good time. Just to remind you, I don't really count Smash, as at this point, people have been discussing it for months. I don't focus on Zelda because it's an easy target, but because it's the prime example of why people blindly vote Nintendo. I can assure you, most of you won't give a damn about the rest of what they presented until it is much, much closer to release, either because we've known about it for over a year in some capacity, or because it's just another underwhelming entry in an established series.

By the by, blatant insults or passively aggressively attacking somebody, neither is better than the other. You aren't a better person just because you don't insult somebody out right. If anything, more people become aggravated by somebody being passive aggressive than they do at the person willing to just speak their mind.

On an ending note, if you had read my first post in this thread, you would have found that I thought all three conferences were seriously lacking in both surprising and exciting news. "None of the above" expresses my overall opinion about E3 more than anything else.



Wall of text... but I did read it :)

Anyway your free to create all those threads to discuss those games you want. That's the brilliance of an open forum.

I don't need to search for the threads as I have participated in some of them and just lurked in others. That's why I was comfortable in saying what I said.

But again if you feel you should open some threads to talk about these awesome games, I say go for it and don't let anyone stop you!!! (Except the mods if they find duplicate threads they might get a bit upset.)


*As a side note to all of this, you can be sure that there WILL be multiple threads talking about all the exciting Sony and Microsoft games when they announce them. Gran Turismo 7 should be awesome with it's support of VR tech. But Sony didn't show that yet so no pictures and no story to talk about. When Microsoft shows off the next Halo game you can bet your ass there will be tons of threads about it (Can't wait to be honest, I just wish they would release more of them on the PC.)

You seem more upset that Nintendo had stuff that was interesting at this years E3 and the others had some interesting stuff but not as much (Sony had at least 2 games I was interested in.) (Microsoft had at least 2 as well, the new Forza looks amazing!)
 

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Wall of text... but I did read it :)

Anyway your free to create all those threads to discuss those games you want. That's the brilliance of an open forum.

I don't need to search for the threads as I have participated in some of them and just lurked in others. That's why I was comfortable in saying what I said.

But again if you feel you should open some threads to talk about these awesome games, I say go for it and don't let anyone stop you!!! (Except the mods if they find duplicate threads they might get a bit upset.)


*As a side note to all of this, you can be sure that there WILL be multiple threads talking about all the exciting Sony and Microsoft games when they announce them. Gran Turismo 7 should be awesome with it's support of VR tech. But Sony didn't show that yet so no pictures and no story to talk about. When Microsoft shows off the next Halo game you can bet your ass there will be tons of threads about it (Can't wait to be honest, I just wish they would release more of them on the PC.)

You seem more upset that Nintendo had stuff that was interesting at this years E3 and the others had some interesting stuff but not as much (Sony had at least 2 games I was interested in.) (Microsoft had at least 2 as well, the new Forza looks amazing!)
Apologies for the second wall-ish thing of text. I accidentally went off on a tangent or two, but snipping stuff would break consistency.

I feel like you completely missed my very first point that was essentially that, at a Nintendo forum, bias will sway towards Nintendo as long as they present that one thing people were really hoping for, even if they know that if it wasn't coming during E3, it would be announced before the end of the year. For pretty much any year, that item can be Zelda. The in between years, it tends to be either Pokemon or the next major 3D Mario installment. It's the idea that, even though this forum has tried to be a little less Nintendo-centric by giving the spotlight to every company in some way shape or form, as well as getting reporters that don't only care about Nintendo news, it still suffers from the fact that its origins sit in having been a GBA ROM site (and with it being named GBAtemp and all), thus, attracting a primarily Nintendo oriented fan base over the years.

Now that isn't a bad thing, despite my use of the word "suffer", and I'm not complaining about that. Being primarily Nintendo oriented is what brought me and my DS loving, flash cart using self to this forum. I was looking for a place where I could both discuss the use of my flash cart, and discuss DS games in general. Lucky for all of us, the DS had a solid number of good titles that weren't all made or published by Nintendo, which allowed for it to branch out to other tastes and facilitate good discussion among everybody. The PSP being a homebrew machine helped facilitate even more good conversation about the merits of its homebrew. Basically, when I joined, the discussions were balanced, and although people were still at each others throats, it wasn't nearly as hostile as the forum as become. The newer hostility has been bred from the fact that the Wii U is basically just a Nintendo machine, and the 3DS isn't all that exciting yet, lacking more than one or two strong third party titles. They have turned back into being systems almost exclusively for Nintendo fans, destroying a lot of the cohesiveness that came with the systems of last gen, handheld and home console, that supported diverse tastes. Essentially, the console wars have flared back up badly, and Nintendo fans are heavy on the defensive, while other fans are heavy on the offensive. As silly as it might sound, many threads discussing upcoming Wii U games reflect this, and people will jump all over a Sony thread dare they release another HD collection (though I've mentioned the problems in the logic there in other places).

With that in mind, hopefully I've given enough of my thought process as to why I feel that, on a site such as this, a forum poll such as this is worthless in actually determining how good any of the presentations were. It still pretty much just comes down to "which company did you already like the most", which makes for predictable results. Even if you can personally say more interested you from all three conferences, and that you even watched all three conferences, many of the the lurkers don't and will never share your sentiments, as if it isn't Nintendo, it isn't for them, and that goes back to my first point of the fact that this forum is still heavily Nintendo-centric. As I said, in its current state, this generation of handhelds and home consoles hasn't been able to present one or two systems that support a diverse enough taste in either releases or homebrew to generate primarily healthy conversation when comparing consoles. The Wii U struggling certainly hasn't helped that, as even now, people are bound and determined to show just how well the Wii U will bounce back, even though its clear that the Wii U and Vita are probably doing about as well as they will ever do.
 

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Nathan Drake, it's no use to say this forum is Nintendo biased, it has always have been, and it always will be.
People that are blindly devoted to Nintendo won't change their opinions how matter you prove Nintendo conference was shitty.
Arguing this on GBATemp is just a waste of time, and I say it because I was in a very similar position to you in last year's E3.

BTW, about the conferences, X1 was just boredom for me.
Captain Toad and Splatoon were the only surprises on Nintendo's E3. They spend such amount of time on Smash I even got angry,
the game will be out in a couple of months, I don't need any more information for that.

Zelda trailer looked more of an attempt to tease fans than anything else, it lasted a minute and the best it actually showed was a little bit of artwark on a CGI.
I was expecting a lot to be showed about Pokémon, which differently from Smash had little revealed at the time,
and the only things showed were things already showed at Corocoro june's leak.

Sony confererence out of the big 3, was by far the best, it had Uncharted 4, No Man's Sky, Bloodborne, Little Big Planet 3, Assassin's Creed Unity,
Grim Fandango, Batman Arkham Knight, Mortal Kombat X, GTA V for PS4, Magicka, Dead Island 2, ABZÛ, Metal Gear Solid V etc

I can see a great list of games for PS4, that grants it will have a lot of options for those who own the console,
while most of my friends, that are Nintendo fans, are merely expecting Smash and playing Mario Kart, with no perspective of new games to be played so soon.

I haven't watched Ubisoft and EA conferences, but I can clearly say Nintendo is definetily not the best conference,
to say the truth, for me it was clearly the worst tha I've seen.
 
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Apologies for the second wall-ish thing of text. I accidentally went off on a tangent or two, but snipping stuff would break consistency.

I feel like you completely missed my very first point that was essentially that, at a Nintendo forum, bias will sway towards Nintendo as long as they present that one thing people were really hoping for, even if they know that if it wasn't coming during E3, it would be announced before the end of the year. For pretty much any year, that item can be Zelda. The in between years, it tends to be either Pokemon or the next major 3D Mario installment. It's the idea that, even though this forum has tried to be a little less Nintendo-centric by giving the spotlight to every company in some way shape or form, as well as getting reporters that don't only care about Nintendo news, it still suffers from the fact that its origins sit in having been a GBA ROM site (and with it being named GBAtemp and all), thus, attracting a primarily Nintendo oriented fan base over the years.

Now that isn't a bad thing, despite my use of the word "suffer", and I'm not complaining about that. Being primarily Nintendo oriented is what brought me and my DS loving, flash cart using self to this forum. I was looking for a place where I could both discuss the use of my flash cart, and discuss DS games in general. Lucky for all of us, the DS had a solid number of good titles that weren't all made or published by Nintendo, which allowed for it to branch out to other tastes and facilitate good discussion among everybody. The PSP being a homebrew machine helped facilitate even more good conversation about the merits of its homebrew. Basically, when I joined, the discussions were balanced, and although people were still at each others throats, it wasn't nearly as hostile as the forum as become. The newer hostility has been bred from the fact that the Wii U is basically just a Nintendo machine, and the 3DS isn't all that exciting yet, lacking more than one or two strong third party titles. They have turned back into being systems almost exclusively for Nintendo fans, destroying a lot of the cohesiveness that came with the systems of last gen, handheld and home console, that supported diverse tastes. Essentially, the console wars have flared back up badly, and Nintendo fans are heavy on the defensive, while other fans are heavy on the offensive. As silly as it might sound, many threads discussing upcoming Wii U games reflect this, and people will jump all over a Sony thread dare they release another HD collection (though I've mentioned the problems in the logic there in other places).

With that in mind, hopefully I've given enough of my thought process as to why I feel that, on a site such as this, a forum poll such as this is worthless in actually determining how good any of the presentations were. It still pretty much just comes down to "which company did you already like the most", which makes for predictable results. Even if you can personally say more interested you from all three conferences, and that you even watched all three conferences, many of the the lurkers don't and will never share your sentiments, as if it isn't Nintendo, it isn't for them, and that goes back to my first point of the fact that this forum is still heavily Nintendo-centric. As I said, in its current state, this generation of handhelds and home consoles hasn't been able to present one or two systems that support a diverse enough taste in either releases or homebrew to generate primarily healthy conversation when comparing consoles. The Wii U struggling certainly hasn't helped that, as even now, people are bound and determined to show just how well the Wii U will bounce back, even though its clear that the Wii U and Vita are probably doing about as well as they will ever do.


Well written long but well written and no need to apologize for long posts. This one will be kinda short, hate touch screens.... lol

Anyway I would hope no one voted with out watching all three shows. About four hours but worth it to know a bit about what to expect.

I do agree there probably is some bias, but all polls are going to have some.
 

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Well written long but well written and no need to apologize for long posts. This one will be kinda short, hate touch screens.... lol

Anyway I would hope no one voted with out watching all three shows. About four hours but worth it to know a bit about what to expect.

I do agree there probably is some bias, but all polls are going to have some.

Not really, a non-nintendo poll won't have bias, or at least it should be minimal.
 
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Not really, a non-nintendo poll won't have bias, or at least it should be minimal.
Having taken a statistics course, I basically learned that minimal bias is the best you can really hope for. Unbiased is pretty much a dream, as bias stems from too many sources to ever fully eradicate all of it unless you generate very specific scenarios.
 
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Having taken a statistics course, I basically learned that minimal bias is the best you can really hope for. Unbiased is pretty much a dream, as bias stems from too many sources to ever fully eradicate all of it unless you generate very specific scenarios.

Most people won't even reckon a minimal bias as bias.
I get your point, but you're nitpicking, I think you got what I meant,
the huge bias towards Nintendo on this site won't be as relevant to polls that don't involve Nintendo.
 

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As sort of a side note to the bias issue, on other sites Sony won or Microsoft won. It's like a choose your own adventure.... Lol

The interesting part is when you look at 2nd place on them.
 

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Did it not occurred to you that you are the ones being bias here? "Impossibru", right?

There is no such thing as been impartial, having an opinion already makes you biased.
What we're discussing is how GBATemp community is a lot biased to Nintendo, this isn't about a single person.

What do you mean by this?

That Zelda trailer wasn't gameplay, it was just CGI and showed nothing about what the game will really be.
The best thing we can take from that trailer is the artwork used, it will be cellshaded, but with characters a bit more realistic than Skyward Sword.
 

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There is no such thing as been impartial, having an opinion already makes you biased.
What we're discussing is how GBATemp community is a lot biased to Nintendo, this isn't about a single person.



That Zelda trailer wasn't gameplay, it was just CGI and showed nothing about what the game will really be.
The best thing we can take from that trailer is the artwork used, it will be cellshaded, but with characters a bit more realistic than Skyward Sword.


Myself rrrreeeeaaalllyyy would rather a TP look. I was one of those who hated WW's look.
 

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Myself rrrreeeeaaalllyyy would rather a TP look. I was one of those who hated WW's look.

I think Twillight Princess is by far the most realistic Zelda game we ever had.
I also wish they had used a similar look to TP or something more realistic.
I've seen many people saying Nintendo franchises shouldn't go realistic, and that wouldn't fit them,
but there are some franchises where I think it would be perfectly aceptable, like Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem and Xenoblade.
 

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There is no such thing as been impartial, having an opinion already makes you biased.

What we're discussing is how GBATemp community is a lot biased to Nintendo, this isn't about a single person.
Even if you disregard 1/2 those votes, Nintendo is still winning in the polls. Even some haters outside this community
says it was a good conference.

That Zelda trailer wasn't gameplay, it was just CGI and showed nothing about what the game will really be.
The best thing we can take from that trailer is the artwork used, it will be cellshaded, but with characters a bit more realistic than Skyward Sword.
Just CGI? It showed nothing about the game? Link
 

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