Homebrew Why are hackers so against piracy?

[StriderVM]

Yeah, I'm kind of suprised that such an asshole question/thread is still going and kicking today......

The only thing I can answer on the actual question is...... The world isn't as white or black as you think it is.

- There are actual people who don't like pirates. It doesn't matter if they are hypocrites or not.
- There are people you actually want simpler stuff like homebrew or region-free with their 3DS and not piracy.
- Even if you focus on piracy, you really don't wanna be public about it. Unless you wanna end up like Kim Dot-Com.
- The possibility of a conspiracy is there, but it isn't as evil as you think it is. A publicly known exploit will get patched fast. A private exploit won't be.
- Leaks and other stuff happen. It's sad than a person's stuff gets released without their knowledge......
- ..... But quitting due to it IMO is as bad.

PS. The time where you can operate a computer without Windows is the real time a computer is reserved for the intellectual (and the rich)

 

[shinyquagsire23]

For me it's partially a morals issue, but also an issue of name association. I could care less what other people do and if they pirate or not, and there are a lot of cases where I believe that it would be best to keep research 100% open. However, I and many others don't want to be associated with a CFW which has the potential to singlehandedly flip the entire scene upside down with the ability to pirate games. The 4.5 CFW is at least limited and doesn't have as bad of an impact on newly released games, but a 9.2 CFW would be horrible for developers looking to invest in a platform. For KARL3DS we're actually kind of split on the issue, not becaus some of us like piracy or whatever, but because unsigned apps open a lot of potential in a console (homebrew, save management, ROM hacks, etc). However removing signature checks enables piracy, so it may end up being a necessary evil issue in the end.

 

[puss2puss]

For me it's partially a morals issue, but also an issue of name association. I could care less what other people do and if they pirate or not, and there are a lot of cases where I believe that it would be best to keep research 100% open. However, I and many others don't want to be associated with a CFW which has the potential to singlehandedly flip the entire scene upside down with the ability to pirate games. The 4.5 CFW is at least limited and doesn't have as bad of an impact on newly released games, but a 9.2 CFW would be horrible for developers looking to invest in a platform. For KARL3DS we're actually kind of split on the issue, not becaus some of us like piracy or whatever, but because unsigned apps open a lot of potential in a console (homebrew, save management, ROM hacks, etc). However removing signature checks enables piracy, so it may end up being a necessary evil issue in the end.

i think your comment is the most ''real'' one on this thread!....it makes me sad, because for my side, i wish i could mod games's textures and models..making a backup of the n3ds nand would be great to for safety ...being able to fully costumize it..install homebrews as CiAs (on N3DS..)...but opening the door publicly would let enter party crashers... and an ''open-house party'' would be bad right now unfortunatly ..

 

[williamcesar2]

Because They Are hypocrites

 

[jamieyello]

I personally (saying hypothetically if I could) wouldn't give a crap whether people pirate or not and even think it's a good thing for poorer countries to be able to enjoy video games like the rest of us (it's not like they deserve not to because they're poor), but I'd be wary of being the one directly responsible for costing devs thousands of dollars and scaring away potential devs.

In the end I'd probably just hack the whole system no strings attached just because. Rather just bite the bullet instead of dancing around it.

And if you think about it, really how many people actually bother to pirate on consoles? Just in real life, not on forums or anything. That's like a relatively non-existent demographic, compared to the drones of legit customers that couldn't be bothered or would have no idea where to begin.

 

[pikanag]

yeah there are some ***s on this forum about piracy, however im all about piracy m8. i'm actally going to be the king of pirates one day

 

[Kippykip]

Because the hackers don't wanna get banned off GBATemp

 

[tony_2018]

So I have been waiting to write this rant so it begins now! Why are hackers so against piracy like yellow8 and smea? I see people trying for a N3ds exploit but purposly don't want piracy, but people who make the piracy loader for wii or other consoles get no hate which makes me wonder why don't they release piracy able exploits, hell it could be advertising for people who want a game they see a friend who has a GW playing. Still it seems stupid to not release a exploit (piracy or not) with power for piracy, think of others, if you don't want piracy don't use it for that, what if we want to load backups? Rant over.

Thats there decision to be against it. Believe it or not, most hackers end up working for the government of there country or for software companies. There skill has been acknowledged, so instead of trying to fight them they end up joining forces

 

[xile6]

Idk about it.
It's kinda back and forward. If you download a game you didn't pay the development so they can't make more.
But I do always say support what you like.

But with the release of developing making home brew but locking down pricay. It's because there devs. They might made something for free but they understand error how hard it is to program and make stuff and they feel bad that what they made open a door for others to steal what others made.

So I stand in between on this.some software/games I wouldn't pay for or they are just way over price for the crap you are giving.

I remember Long ago there was games that had problems and couldn't be patch. If you brought it you would have to deal with it. I remember one that stop people from finishing the game If they messed up at one part.

Now how mad would you bee if you spend $60 on this game and had to deal with that?
Vs you downloading it and feeling it was crap and deleting it.

But I'm not going to get into a war. This question always starts one. Just adding my 2 cents on this since this was bump

 

[tony_2018]

They are devs, if they feel that they don't want to support piracy in there own way so be it. You want something than go learn like they did and develop your own CFW of your own.

 

[Rhokk222]

Here's the thing, and what I think is happening...

If you are a developer that is making a CFW, obviously you don't want to be sued and yet still want to make your work truly open while getting credit for time spent.

1. Openly show disgust for piracy and model your CFW as Anti-Piracy.
2. Make multiple online posts outlining extra work going towards not allowing it in your CFW.
3. Finish CFW and anonymously leak a "hack" allowing that final "openness".
4. Take credit for the CFW while not having any responsibility for any piracy that ensues after!

The best of both worlds and probably the ONLY way to be a hacking/developer post DarkAlex.

 

[Jayro]

I use a fake name online, always. You will never discover my real name online, because I've never used it. Not even for an email account. Now to release a hack publicly, just go to a public computer like a cyber cafe or library, go through a few proxy sites to cover your tracks, and release the hack. You still get credit for it via your username, the proxies help mask where it was originally uploaded from, and it can't be traced back to you or your home in any way.

 

[StriderVM]

...... That sounds wierd. If you get credit for it, you will be the one hunted down........ People will trace you.

The best way to be anonymous is never having an identity, and having an identity means you're traceable......

 

[Jacobeian]

Not all "hackers" are the same but I think it has a lot to do with maturity and how your priorities evolve with age.

This kind of thread pop up all the time because people who want to pirate games generally misunderstand hackers (or developers in general) motivations.

I always had the feeling that most people who daily look at these forums hoping for some news and whine about "hypocrites who don't want to give them access to piracy" are either young kids who can't afford games themselves and rely on their parents to play new ones, or manchilds who think that playing video games is the most important thing in their life, that having all these games for free is like their phantasy becoming true and feel frustrated if anyone takes that "right" away from them.

These people do not understand that different people might have different "needs" in their life and that those developers or hackers are not that much interested in playing games, be it for free or not, so they are simply not interested in piracy like you are. They are not even interested in pleasing other people by giving them access to the things they want, no, you don't spend hours of your time like that for others, they are generally only interested by solving technical challenges and coding things.

They are also generally grown-ups, with jobs, so they can afford games if they really want, and more mature than the general crowd, so they tend to think about the repercussions of their actions.

Anyway, all they do is for themselves, not for you. If you understand that and if you accept it, you will make a big step towards maturity.

 

[TemplarGR]

Morals have nothing to do with it. Insiders know that its all about the $$$. Releasing an full kernel access CFW will kill the flashcard market and cut off a huge revenue stream for "some" hackers that would prefer to remain anonymous.
That's why only controlled homebrew access is released while keeping full CFW underground, this allows certain hackers to sell the full exploits to flashcard companies for $$$.
Since they hold the keys, they can keep flashcard companies on a leash, which is more important than fame.
The only thing better than fame is $$$.

That's the real answer to your question.

Exactly.

Most hackers sell their exploits for $$$. It is quite obvious. This is not about morals, quite the contrary. Hackers allowing cost free piracy would have better morals than those who enable flashcart-based piracy for profit, and then go and insult their own customers by insulting "pirates".

Try to remember when the first exploits for the 3DS arrived and how soon after that the Gateway was out... Try to remember how every single exploit since then has been in their hands in no time. This is no coincidence.

I have no problem with that. If they want to earn money for their exploits, why not. I certainly don't have the time to hack the 3DS myself... What always bothered me and i have written about it in the past, is their hypocrisy.

 

[Deleted User]

Exactly.

Most hackers sell their exploits for $$$. It is quite obvious. This is not about morals, quite the contrary. Hackers allowing cost free piracy would have better morals than those who enable flashcart-based piracy for profit, and then go and insult their own customers by insulting "pirates".

Try to remember when the first exploits for the 3DS arrived and how soon after that the Gateway was out... Try to remember how every single exploit since then has been in their hands in no time. This is no coincidence.

I have no problem with that. If they want to earn money for their exploits, why not. I certainly don't have the time to hack the 3DS myself... What always bothered me and i have written about it in the past, is their hypocrisy.

You're trying to fit your own logic into historic events that you have no idea of what actually happened. You simply have no facts to back up your statements.


If the Gateway team was already working on a solution BEFORE the 3dbrew hackers announced their little picture, then it would make sense that Gateway team would try to get their solution out ASAP. The fact that Gateway team showed their solution a couple months later might have been because they feared the competition would be coming and they would not be first.

 

[TemplarGR]

You're trying to fit your own logic into historic events that you have no idea of what actually happened. You simply have no facts to back up your statements.


If the Gateway team was already working on a solution BEFORE the 3dbrew hackers announced their little picture, then it would make sense that Gateway team would try to get their solution out ASAP. The fact that Gateway team showed their solution a couple months later might have been because they feared the competition would be coming and they would not be first.

Ok. I may have no facts, but your facts are without a doubt strong... Rite?

Let's cut the BS, ok? I am no kid, i am an adult developer. Were do you think all those flashcart companies get their exploits from? They have to come from somewhere, don't they?

Obviously they are not going to announce their involvement with names and addresses, unless they are really stupid. And there are no stupid people on this job...

You are a hacker and want to make a nice sum of money, what do you do? You announce the world that you have an exploit, refuse even the possibility of leaking it because of piracy, then wait for a Chinese flashcart company to contact you... It's that simple...

 

[Deleted User]

You act as if 3dbrew hackers are the only ones that can hack ....

 

[Jacobeian]

You act as if 3dbrew hackers are the only ones that can hack ....

Exactly, those hackers you are talking about are paid by flashcarts companies, they are not among those who are "against piracy" off course since it's their job. They would not spend their free time working on software exploits with nothing to gain but useless public recognition, that makes no sense.

Really, there is no "hypocrisy", just different people with different interests and motivations.

 

[StriderVM]

Some people do only want public recognition. Even though for example, The Joker in Batman seems aimless. But in real they do exist, although rare. So I wouldn't count them out.

Maybe even those are the kind of people that leak stuff. Not because they want the recognition, but just "because they can".