Van hits muslims on their way out from prayer

[Lucifer666]

That would actually make sense. It seems England is having issues with punishing it's citizens for expressing their anger. Alot of free speech issues atm. I can see someone who has just lost a loved one, and fear of being punished for publicly expressing their pain, going into rage of revenge. I don't think it's right. But it is possible, maybe even likely.

No doubt, but the only thing standing between just having a lot of pent up rage and the intent to do real harm on such a scale to a bunch of innocent people just because they're from the same religious background (even that is arguable actually) is xenophobia.

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

BTW, FGM are only being done in Indonesia, it's illegal in most of Muslim states and has never been part of Islamic law. Back on topic, yeah, that's stupid. But remember that along with Christians, Muslims are being harrassed by ISIS everyday in Syria and Irak. (If you ever wondered why refugees were coming to Europe, that's the reason, something called ISIS.) And did you see Saudia Arabia and friends blocking Qatar because they are "backing terrorism" while they are tghemselves giving oil and money to ISI? That's plein bullshit. I hate the hypocrisy of S. Arabia and neighbor countries. They try to make the world believe they are fighting ISIS while they are ISIS themselves.

 

[Lucifer666]

BTW, FGM are only being done in Indonesia, it's illegal in most of Muslim states and has never been part of Islamic law. Back on topic, yeah, that's stupid. But remember that along with Christians, Muslims are being harrassed by ISIS everyday in Syria and Irak. (If you ever wondered why refugees were coming to Europe, that's the reason, something called ISIS.) And did you see Saudia Arabia and friends blocking Qatar because they are "backing terrorism" while they are tghemselves giving oil and money to ISI? That's plein bullshit. I hate the hypocrisy of S. Arabia and neighbor countries. They try to make the world believe they are fighting ISIS while they are ISIS themselves.

Spot-on man. You seem to have a good grasp of what's actually happening out here in the Middle East. They're trying to combat terrorism just as much as the west but these efforts remain quiet and unreported because sometimes it's just nice to have the entire community to blame.

 

[WeedZ]

No doubt, but the only thing standing between just having a lot of pent up rage and the intent to do real harm on such a scale to a bunch of innocent people just because they're from the same religious background (even that is arguable actually) is xenophobia.

I suppose that's technically correct. But if you were bitten by a black widow and almost died, wouldn't you be an arachnophobe and hate all spiders? I think his point is that the revenge scenario wouldn't just be mindless ignorance, as it is in most cases.

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

Spot-on man. You seem to have a good grasp of what's actually happening out here in the Middle East. They're trying to combat terrorism just as much as the west but these efforts remain quiet and unreported because sometimes it's just nice to have the entire community to blame.

Yeah, for example we forget that the Kurdish people (harrassed by Erdogan) and the Iraqi govt are doing most of the job against ISIS, and are trying since 6 months to win Mossul without killing all the civilians.

 

[Hayleia]

I suppose that's technically correct. But if you were bitten by a black widow and almost died, wouldn't you be an arachnophobe and hate all spiders? I think his point is that the revenge scenario wouldn't just be mindless ignorance, as it is in most cases.

You would hate all spiders, but not all insects. So why hate all muslims instead of all terrorists? Or if you like generalizations, why not hate all humans then? (not you but the same "you" as in your example).

 

[leon315]

Just stay calm guys, it could be a Isis bihind of it: killing their own muslims pretending as white extremists just to increase the hatred between muslim and London's citizens.

So Isis might the cancer after this attack.

 

[Vipera]

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[CallmeBerto]

Are you insane? Do you actually think this is in any way an "act of revenge" as opposed to blatant Islamophobia? What if somebody killed a whole bunch of Christians because of what the KKK did? Bet you'd be surprised it happened THEN. Why does the west have such a massive problem with generalisation of that which is foreign.

Every Muslim I've ever met (of which there are plenty since I grew up in a Muslim community) is vehemently opposed to ISIS and every recent screwed up religiously motivated attack. I shouldn't even have to say this.



If you've read a single article on this at all then you'll know that the perpetrator was screaming "I want to kill all Muslims" throughout the entire rampage.

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This is all very depressing. I live a few minutes away from the site of this attack and as a Muslim born/raised person I'm scared ****less.

Ok let's say for a second it is Islamophobia?...where did this fear come from? Could it be that this man lost some loved ones to Muslim terrorist and nobody gave a shit about it and when he voiced his concerns they just called him a Islamophobia and wrote him off? Yeah experience that crap and see if you don't let the anger in your heart take over.

I stand by what I said.

All these attacks and what do you do? Double down what the hell did you expect would happen?

oh and I find it rich that the left calls this a white terrorist attack while completely tip toeing around the Muslim terrorist attacks that have been going on. You people are a joke. ( not you the left in general )

 

[WeedZ]

You would hate all spiders, but not all insects. So why hate all muslims instead of all terrorists? Or if you like generalizations, why not hate all humans then? (not you but the same "you" as in your example).

Good point. Most people generalize more specifically. I think the New York attack kicked it off. People were looking for the country responsible as acts of war are usually one nation against another, which at the time they were told was Afghanistan. Then as the US wanted to spread across the middle east it included several other countries. The need for a single entity to blame eventually evolved to islam, as that was the most obvious commonality. Again, I don't agree with it. I'm just sharing my observations. You can't fix mass hysteria unfortunately.

 

[Abu_Senpai]

Just stay calm guys, it could be a Isis bihind of it: killing their own muslims pretending as white extremists just to increase the hatred between muslim and London's citizens.

So Isis might the cancer after this attack.

That would the a VERY INTERESTING outcome and actually perhaps what the UK needs right now..... because essentially so far ISIS's victims in the west have mostly been NON-Muslims. Now i now that they have killed Muslims in the east but that isn't as heavily focused on by the media.

But if the police investigation did conclude that outcome then perhaps this could blow up big, enough to show the entire UK and world that everyone is a victim to the dogs that are ISIS.

Another interesting discussion here would be the fact that. WHY haven't ISIS been killing Muslims on a regular basis like they have non Muslims? (in the west i mean)
Is it perhaps their plan to avoid killing Muslims in order to increase hate between different communities within the UK. So that the west destroys itself from the inside.
i now it sounds ridiculous but if terrorists attacks became a weekly thing in the UK,(like literally weekly) i do believe that more and more people would turn on each other and that would lead to record spikes in hate crimes.

From strategic point such a plan is one worthy of a appraisal if it wasn't so horrific.

 

[sarkwalvein]

I am a non-religious person with a Roman Catholic background, would you accept my "fuck you" as well Mr. Snake?
I mean, so you reconsider that line about just muslims feeling entitled to tell anybody that normalizes killing of random pedestrians to go fuck himself.

 

[WeedZ]

That would the a VERY INTERESTING outcome and actually perhaps what the UK needs right now..... because essentially so far ISIS's victims in the west have mostly been NON-Muslims. Now i now that they have killed Muslims in the east but that isn't as heavily focused on by the media.

But if the police investigation did conclude that outcome then perhaps this could blow up big, enough to show the entire UK and world that everyone is a victim to the dogs that are ISIS.

Another interesting discussion here would be the fact that. WHY haven't ISIS been killing Muslims on a regular basis like they have non Muslims? (in the west i mean)
Is it perhaps their plan to avoid killing Muslims in order to increase hate between different communities within the UK. So that the west destroys itself from the inside.
i now it sounds ridiculous but if terrorists attacks became a weekly thing in the UK,(like literally weekly) i do believe that more and more people would turn on each other and that would lead to record spikes in hate crimes.

From strategic point such a plan is one worthy of a appraisal if it wasn't so horrific.

The only flaw there is that it is considered an unforgivable sin to knowingly kill true believers. Also ironic, the Quran also says that Christians and jews are true believers, so I can't really explain that one.

 

[Abu_Senpai]

The only flaw there is that it is considered an unforgivable sin to knowingly kill true believers. Also ironic, the Quran also says that Christians and jews are true believers, so I can't really explain that one.

ISIS are not logical, they are animals. So please treat them as such.

Dont try to think of the "Whys". They are just a plague that needs to be purged from our world

 

[Lucifer666]

Ok let's say for a second it is Islamophobia?...where did this fear come from? Could it be that this man lost some loved ones to Muslim terrorist and nobody gave a shit about it and when he voiced his concerns they just called him a Islamophobia and wrote him off? Yeah experience that crap and see if you don't let the anger in your heart take over.

I stand by what I said.

All these attacks and what do you do? Double down what the hell did you expect would happen?

oh and I find it rich that the left calls this a white terrorist attack while completely tip toeing around the Muslim terrorist attacks that have been going on. You people are a joke. ( not you the left in general )

Whether you've lost somebody to an "Islam motivated" terrorist attack or not, as much as grief is understandable, contempt for the whole community is still wrong and misdirected. It's a complex and sensitive topic, but it is what it is.

I live 20 mins away from the Finsbury Park mosque and if I get hit by a van because I was raised in a Muslim household it's not "understandable" it's bullshit and it's scary. I am genuinely so sorry that these things happen, and believe me the only reason ISIS hasn't been stopped is because most Middle East countries are led by totalitarian governments that only care about their own money and interests and act completely independently of what the people want. We don't have the ability to form up and resist; our governments are insane.

Just be careful where you point fingers.

Anyway, I don't know why the discussion is revolving around religiously motivated attacks when this in particular is a case of that NOT happening. Unlike recent events there was no big evil group here, just some guy with a really bad unresolved grudge.

 

[Clydefrosch]

So as the title says, only 9 minutes ago at the time of writing, a van hit a number of people on their way out from prayer at Finsbury Park Mosque in London.

So what are your thoughts? Was it justified killing innocent Muslims because of the London and Manchester terror attacks? Or is it another sign of the perpetuating violence in our society?

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of course its not justified. how would this ever be justified?
not to say that, should it turn out that this was meant to be an act of revenge against islam, one wouldn't be able to understand the persons reasoning to some degree, as one should be able to understand why IS and its supporters chose to act through this form of terror.
but that doesn't mean its justified in any way.

the thing that moderately upsets me about this story is, how its handled only as a 'potential act of terrorism' at least by how the german press seems to translate the uk news reports.
and i'm just barely surprised how when the guy drives into a crowd of muslims apparently, the police doesn't seem to find enough reason to gun him down on the spot like they usually do when someone arabic-looking goes on a rampage.
(again, dont get me wrong, the problem isn't that they didn't gun this person down, its that they gun everyone else down so we never get a good glimpse into the mind of a radicalized person thats never been to syria etc)

 

[gamesquest1]

Tbh something like this was bound to happen at some point, sure it's a sick attack but given the spate of attacks this summer, one nut job was eventually going to think "fuck this lets see how they like it" (yes there is mental idiots on both sides)

Now I feel the real lesson to be learnt is to stop with the 2 teir policing which is breeding resentment on both sides, the fact non Muslims get hunted down and thrown in jail for stupidly throwing a bit of bacon whilst a radical Muslim with known extremist views just get added to a fantasy watch list but never detained unless they actually blow something up or stab someone is raising animosity way more than it otherwise would.

For a fair society to exist everyone must be treated equally, the media have a role to play too, people are not dumb so they need to stop framing their news as every concern a Minority has as totally legit and any concern of any white person as totally unjust and racist, there is a legitimate problem that needs to be addressed with the seemingly rampant extremism in the UK and pretending it doesn't exist and penalizing anyone who even asks what's going on with some Muslims being radicalized from within a western country

As for the urghhh see they shoot the poor misunderstood Muslim terrorists and not the evil evil white guy, the police can only shoot if the person in question poses a imminent threat to life, as he wasn't mid stabbing someone to death like the past 5 Muslim terrorists or in peices before they go to the scene it stands to reason they didnt have to shoot him, the difference is the Muslim terrorists want to die so they will purposefully not stop for armed police but instead try to rush them to force them to shoot

 

[barronwaffles]

Helter skelter baby

 

[Saiyan Lusitano]

Just stay calm guys, it could be a Isis bihind of it: killing their own muslims pretending as white extremists just to increase the hatred between muslim and London's citizens.

So Isis might the cancer after this attack.

Ditto. This feels like a false flag so that people get divided even more.

Let's not forget that people are easy to influence so there's that, too. The other day there was a protest about the Grenfell Tower where the protesters physically attacked an innocent person because they thought he was part of the Tory party or whatever.

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https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/876775518523318272

Can't catch a break.

 

[Abu_Senpai]

I just saw the clip of the moment he was caught after he hit the victims.

the clip itself was 5 mins long and no police or ambulances showed up during that time frame. There were bodies all over the floor and there were 5 Muslim men trying to hold off the angry friends and family members of the victims who wanted to kill the attacker for what he had just done.

This is the first video that i have ever seen off the actual attack and its victims before the police red taped it. so its very harrowing to see the bodies just laying there...