Net Neutrality: what it is, and why you should care

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UPDATE: It's been voted for repeal. The FCC took Net Neutrality to a vote, and it was 3-2, in favor of repeal. This doesn't mean overnight upheaval, but things will certainly change, for better or worse, in due time.
If you've been on the internet at all the past week, there's a high chance that you've heard of something called "Net Neutrality", and you've also likely heard that there might be huge changes to your usage of the internet entirely. This post serves as a quick information briefing on what Net Neutrality is, what could happen if it's repealed, and the current events going on regarding it, and just general visibility to let the community in general be informed.

What is this Net Neutrality thing?


The basic definition of network neutrality is simple: all internet traffic is considered and treated equally. It was established just a bit under three years ago, in February 2015. It prevented companies like Comcast Xfinity and AT&T U-verse from speeding up, or slowing down certain sites based upon content. If you remember, back in July 2017, mobile provider Verizon admitted to targeting Netflix traffic, and specifically throttling it, negatively affecting customers' use of Netflix. Going back to 2014, there were also issues with Comcast customers, and, that's right, Netflix users, as connections to Netflix were notoriously slow. Netflix then entered a legal deal with Comcast, in order to have Netflix connections be faster than they previously were. The 2014 incident was pre-net neutrality, and shows that before the law was enacted, certain sites like Netflix were indeed slowed, and had to specifically bargain with large telecommunication monopolies like Comcast to get fair speeds out to their customers.

In April 2017, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), Ajit Pai, revealed that he had plans to repeal net neutrality. It's worth noting that Pai was once the Associate General Counsel of Verizon Communications, an incredibly high up position with an ISP, who we've stated before as having throttled websites in the past.

Pai's statements on the matter included saying such things as "[the government] would be able to stop micromanaging the internet" and that the FCC and internet service providers would simply have to be "transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy a service plan that's best for them". Shortly after, Comcast began vocally supporting these statements, claiming that government regulation of the internet has been harming innovation and investments of Comcast. David Cohen, the company's Chief Diversity Officer, said that "customers would be clearly informed on our practices [...] Comcast maintains that it does and will not block, throttle, or discriminate against lawful content".

Within the movement for repealing net neutrality, also comes with power being given to the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC would then have the ability to legally charge internet service providers that were not made clear to customers.

You may notice, that within any of the claims made by Pai or Comcast, that equal traffic was never made the focus, instead putting emphasis on making sure these monopolies must be clear and transparent about what they do, but never laying down any solid rules about what they need to be transparent about or why. And, of course, if the FTC were to go after AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, Time Warner, or other assorted companies for not being transparent, these legal cases would find themselves taking years to make their way to court, allowing for them to have their way with their customers until a definitive legal ruling. Therein lies the first batch of unease and controversy with the repeal.

In short, net neutrality is a fairly new regulation, which allows for equal traffic between all sites while using the internet. The chairman of the FCC and former higher-up of Verizon wants to repeal it, however. This would allow less government interference with ISPs, but would also allow those ISPs to do what they wish, so long as they're "transparent".

Does repealing Net Neutrality have any benefits?

Spoiler alert: not really

From the inception of the internet, and up until 2015, Americans have gone without net neutrality. Ajit Pai claims that should we not have net neutrality anymore, more rural areas would be able to have more companies and providers, and it would allow for more competition and choice for the consumer. However, these smaller companies would also have to fight it out with established services, with years of experience and infrastructure refinements.

As a side note, I've spent thirty minutes researching a potential "pro" argument. I've not found many that seem reasonable. I've listed in the spoiler tag below arguments from other websites and blogs.

Green Garage Blog: While net neutrality allows for freedom of speech, the downside is that almost anything can be posted to the internet. This means that the cruelest or insensitive information imaginable can end up on the internet, and as a result, it can cause a lot of problems from people that otherwise wouldn’t be prone to being under the microscope of criticism. This means that people can post cruel, intimidating, or other harassing messages and often get away with it thanks to free speech legislation. So it can be a very toxic environment for a lot of people to put up with.

Vittana: Reduced income from internet uses limits infrastructure improvements.
There are certain businesses and high-use individuals who consume large amounts of bandwidth every month. If net neutrality was removed, these high-level consumers would be asked to pay more for what they consume. This added income could then be used to upgrade the infrastructure of each internet service provider, making it possible for advanced fiber networks to be installed in many communities.

AEI: But in many instances, fast lanes, zero-rating, and the like benefit customers. In separate research, both former FCC Chief Economist Michael Katz (with Ben Hermalin) and I (with Janice Hauge) showed that fast lanes benefit small content providers in their attempts to compete with established industry leaders. AEI scholar Roslyn Layton has shown that elderly and low-income consumers benefit from zero-rating services.

Basically, the only benefit would be if America's current economy wasn't dominated by monopolistic ISPs. Below is an interview with Ajit Pai, showing his perspective.


Scrapping these rules, Pai told Reason's Nick Gillespie, won't harm consumers or the public interest because there was no reason for them in the first place. The rationales were mere "phantoms that were conjured up by people who wanted the FCC for political reasons to overregulate the internet," Pai told Gillespie. "We were not living in a digital dystopia in the years leading up to 2015."

If left in place, however, the Title II rules could harm the commercial internet, which Pai described as "one of the most incredible free market innovations in history."

"Companies like Google and Facebook and Netflix became household names precisely because we didn't have the government micromanaging how the internet would operate," said Pai, who noted that the Clinton-era decision not to regulate the Internet like a phone utility or a broadcast network was one of the most important factors in the rise of our new economy.

Pai also pushed back against claims that he's a right-wing radical who's "fucking things up."

"[I ascribe to] the very radical, right-wing position that the Clinton administration basically got it right when it came to digital infrastructure."


What happens if/when this gets repealed, and what does this mean for you?


The worst part of this, is that there's no definitive answer of what WILL happen, only what CAN happen. What has people concerned, though, is the potential things that larger ISPs can do with this new power, should net neutrality be repealed. Internet service providers could slow access to specific sites, and speed up others, in theory, others specifically being sites who pay ISPs for faster access, and those partnered or in contracts with ISPs. Websites like Google, Amazon, Reddit, Etsy, Netflix, and many more have all broadcast their support of net neutrality, stating that without these rules in place thanks to net neutrality, internet providers would become gatekeepers to the internet, restricting what customers can see. Without definitive government restrictions, these companies could be free to split access to the internet into packages, like cable TV, indeed making true on the intention of lowering the cost of internet access, but also making it more difficult and expensive to see all of the internet, as you can right now.

Likely, what will happen, though everything is up in the air, is that certain ISPs will utilize what's called "fast lanes" and "zero rating". Fast lanes are sort of like what we talked about at the start, with Netflix and Comcast. Currently, these fast lanes and zero rating are used with mobile phone data. AT&T customers can watch DirecTV (owned by AT&T) via their mobile data, without it counting towards their monthly cap. These rules could be applied to home internet as well; if you're a Comcast user, and you want to watch Hulu (owned by NBC-Universal-Comcast), maybe your connection to Hulu will be lightning fast, thanks to these theoretical fast lanes, and they won't go towards your Comcast monthly 1 Terabyte home cap. But what if you want to watch Netflix? Either Netflix will have much lower picture quality, or take a longer time to connect to. And if Netflix pays a fee, or gets into a contract once again with Comcast, then that potentially means that Netflix's increased costs move down to the consumer, who also now has to pay more for a service as well.

What can we do?


The only thing left to do is let your voice be heard. Social media has exploded without people decrying the impending repeal of net neutrality, and the negatives that it would entail, to the point of where the majority of Reddit has been plastered with net neutrality posts.

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The FCC will take the repeal to a vote on December 14, 2017. It is highly predicted that the repeal will pass, and net neutrality will come to an end. Millions have taken to the site "battleforthenet" and "callmycongress" to contact their local representatives and congressmen in order to show that American citizens don't want net neutrality destroyed.

You can learn more at the links below. Hopefully this is helpful in describing what net neutrality is, and why it shouldn't be taken away.

:arrow:Techcrunch: These are the arguments against net neutrality and why they're wrong

:arrow: Extra Credits: What a closed internet means

:arrow:Phillip DeFranco: The Internet is under attack

:arrow:Save the internet: What you need to know


:arrow:Ars Technica: RIP net neutrality
 

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I swear I would have to literally pay you to make a coherent representation of someone's argument.
When have I ever said that I believed the ISPs should hold all the power? When have I presented anything saying the proposal is to let ISPs have all the power?

This video explain it, since apparently you can't read. Hopefully you can listen better though.


The breakdown is that authority is given to the FTC. How in the fuck does that mean "No regulations on ISPs?"

The FCC and the FTC are the ones rolling back the current regulations so they have far less power to actually punish ISPs when they break the rules. The FCC is also chaired by a Verizon lawyer, so if you think Verizon and Comcast and TWC didn't get all the loopholes and double-speak they wanted out of this repeal, you're wrong. You're also wrong if you think this administration's FCC/FTC are currently doing their jobs properly. If Trump stays in until 2020, it's gonna be monopolies as far as the eye can see.
 

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I swear I would have to literally pay you to make a coherent representation of someone's argument.
When have I ever said that I believed the ISPs should hold all the power? When have I presented anything saying the proposal is to let ISPs have all the power?

This video explain it, since apparently you can't read. Hopefully you can listen better though.


The breakdown is that authority is given to the FTC. How in the fuck does that mean "No regulations on ISPs?"

Giving authority to the FTC is meaning less. The FTC has no rule making authority. Only the FCC does. FTC only enforces those rules.
And under Pai's plan the FCC is going to remove regulations. If you give FTC authority but have no regulations to enforce then they can't do much.

Under this new plan they are basically giving ISP's the power to regulate themselves. And making their own commitments. Only voluntary commitments are enforceable by law. Comcast is already backing out on their pledge to Net Neutrality as soon as the plan was proposed from Pai.
 
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The FCC and the FTC are the ones rolling back the current regulations so they have far less power to actually punish ISPs when they break the rules. The FCC is also chaired by a Verizon lawyer, so if you think Verizon and Comcast and TWC didn't get all the loopholes and double-speak they wanted out of this repeal, you're wrong. You're also wrong if you think this administration's FCC/FTC are currently doing their jobs properly. If Trump stays in until 2020, it's gonna be monopolies as far as the eye can see.
What? It's a proposal by the FCC to give the regulatory authority to the FTC, and that means that the FCC and FTC both together wrote to remove the regulations?

You're making my head hurt with this nonsense.

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Giving authority to the FTC is meaning less. The FTC has no rule making authority. Only the FCC does. FTC only enforces those rules.
And under Pai's plan the FCC is going to remove regulations. If you give FTC authority but have no regulations to enforce then they can't do much.

Under this new plan they are basically giving ISP's the power to regulate themselves. And making their own commitments. Only voluntary commitments are enforceable by law. Comcast is already backing out on their pledge to Net Neutrality as soon as the plan was proposed from Pai.
They aren't removing all regulations though. See the proposal.
 
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What? It's a proposal by the FCC to give the regulatory authority to the FTC, and that means that the FCC and FTC both together wrote to remove the regulations?

You're making my head hurt with this nonsense.
I'm sorry reading comprehension is so difficult for you. Read SG854's post.

They aren't removing all regulations though. See the proposal.
It doesn't matter that not all regulations are being removed. Too many important ones are being removed, and ISPs are not going to self-regulate instead. Ask GWB how well the housing/financial markets self-regulated in 2008.
 
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The breakdown is that authority is given to the FTC. How in the fuck does that mean "No regulations on ISPs?"
For future refrence, start your arguements with the point your trying to make, like this one, and save us all a fucking headache of trying to even decipher what youre even argueing. Jesus christ. Now we have a central point to debate instead of dealing with your defensive sidestepping when we ask you "what are saying then..?"

So, on point. How is having the FTC in control going to be better? That's what we had before and startups like Skype and some voip's almost never happened due to isp blocking/throttling.
 

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Is there anything in the law that would prevent ISP's from going back to the old AOL pay-by-the-hour model? In the 90's lots of Americans, probably most Americans, used dialup and paid $$$ hourly for the privilege. These regulations that just got repealed weren't preventing a return to that sales model. As far as I know, it's still legal. So why don't ISP's go back to that??

Nobody has responded to this. I'm still asking.
 

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Nobody has responded to this. I'm still asking.
Your comment got lost in the sea of comments.

Because competition.

AOL charged $9.95 for five hours or $19.95 for 20 hours. Then $2.95 for each additional hour.

Back in 96 they had competition from most ISP's like AT&T, Sprint, and MCI.
They offered unlimited net access for $19.95 per month.

Then AOL announced they will offer the unlimited model that same year.
 
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Yes there were a couple million or so comments with the same or similar statements that appear to be autogenerated and posted by bots. The posts were in favor of repeal. That's not to say that there weren't any on the the other side. But, in reality, it didn't matter because the FCC has to allow a comment period but nothing says they have to listen to what the people want - exactly what happened here.
 
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Yes there were a couple million or so comments with the same or similar statements that appear to be autogenerated and posted by bots. The posts were in favor of repeal. That's not to say that there weren't any on the the other side. But, in reality, it didn't matter because the FCC has to allow a comment period but nothing says they have to listen to what the people want - exactly what happened here.
On top of that, there are comments from dead people favoring repeal as well
 
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They aren't removing all regulations though. See the proposal.
If you read the top part of the new proposal it says we are going back to Information Service Title 1 classification.
You can make all the regulations you want, but you'll have a harder time enforcing them under Title 1.
Net Neutrality has existed before Title II. They even made an almost 200 page document discussing the regulations of Net Neutrality.
But they had a lot harder time enforcing much, not unless they were classified as Title II Common Carriers.
That video @cracker linked explains how they couldn't do much with NN rules, so it eventual led to Title II.

The link you gave that gives evidence of throttling after Title II doesn't mean anything. It was around 2 weeks after Title II was first put in place, not enough time for anything. Thats also like giving evidence of murder every year so that must mean we have no rules to punish criminals. The were many court cases after Title II that ruled their Anti NN practices as illegal.

If they can easily ignore Common Carrier classification under Title II, then why haven't they done so already? Why go through the trouble of suing the FCC and loosing in court which eventual leads to a money settlement. Why go through all this when you can just easily avoid the Common Carrier classification.
 
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So a cool information tidbit: I guess the reason that the state of New York began the lawsuit process is because they view the FCC vote as illegal; given the fraudulent comments and calls, Congress asked them to delay the vote and aid in investigation, but the vote took place anyway
 
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Taken from Twitter

Source: https://twitter.com/Sinixstar/status/941519024617414656

The issue has always been one of options.
1) FCC does it - and we risk it being rolled back at any time.
2) Congress does it - you just opened Pandora's Box by putting congress in control of the internet.
3) do nothing - not really a solution There's no good answers.

It's a damned if we do, damned if we don't situationl the government isn't an infallible and entirely trustworthy entity, but neither are businesses, so we pick our poison. Because of big government, I've become extremely cynical and wary to even trust either entity *shrug*. But keep in mind that this is my opinion and my take on it, don't take my word for it. Whether government has a hand in controlling the internet and net neutrality, or the FCC or FTC controls it, either solution is not perfect. The internet existed in 2015, ever since the early 1990's. My opinion though, don't take my word for it. *sigh*.
 
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Taken from Twitter

Source: https://twitter.com/Sinixstar/status/941519024617414656



It's a damned if we do, damned if we don't situationl the government isn't an infallible and entirely trustworthy entity, but neither are businesses, so we pick our poison. Because of big government, I've become extremely cynical and wary to even trust either entity *shrug*. But keep in mind that this is my opinion and my take on it, don't take my word for it. Whether government has a hand in controlling the internet and net neutrality, or the FCC or FTC controls it, either solution is not perfect. The internet existed in 2015, ever since the early 1990's. My opinion though, don't take my word for it. *sigh*.
They can't control the internet. Title II only says that ISP's can't block, throttle websites or do unfair anti competitive practices. It was actually one of the most focused applications of Title II. So the other things that usually apply for Title II don't apply for the internet. They didn't add a lot of regulation under Title II's application to the internet, so the FCC can't abuse their power and control the internet, theres no extra red tape involved. And the FCC doesn't control the internet, they only over see it and punish people that break NN regulation.
 
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OK, now where's that net neutrality image that had a brief history of what ISPs did to Netflix, Google Pay, etc. before 2015? I remember seeing it here. I could be wrong.

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So a cool information tidbit: I guess the reason that the state of New York began the lawsuit process is because they view the FCC vote as illegal; given the fraudulent comments and calls, Congress asked them to delay the vote and aid in investigation, but the vote took place anyway
And with all the evidence against him, chances are, Mr. Pai is not going anywhere with his precious repeal.
 
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