The situation in Ukraine...

[BitMasterPlus]

Ah I'm sorry, I should of made 5 posts elsewhere like you did, AND THEN join the political discussion to spout BS, such a big difference.

Or just stop being a petty loser and actually post something with substance.

 

[Valwinz]

Belarus news

If true would p
Explain way Belarusian Vehicles are cross the border but not Troops

Propaganda

 

[SG854]

So.... youre stating Russia is literally doing the EXACT same thing it accusing NATO of doing.... because Russia thinks Nato is Planing to do it to stop Russia from doing it...GREAT REASONING!
lol

I really don't understand your response to be honest. Russia wants Ukriane as it's a key defensive location for Russia. Losing that location means Russia will be venerable to attacks from the west. Russia wants to narrow the gap of entry into Russia.

No you implied Russia is justified in Committing Ukrianain War crimes because USA would do the same thing if China was in South American... but I have shown you that China has expanded and GUESS WHAT USA did not take over Mexico to stop China from its borders...

Not once did I imply Russia is justified in committing the Ukrainian war. If your read my response to you or any previous responses to others I never said they were justified and I have condemned Russia. Please don't put words into my mouth.

I'm just stating what Russia is doing and why they do it. And how they feel about this. You cannot control a person's actions, especially an entire country. So you have to be careful and look at another's perspective to not cause a conflict to happen. So knowing how they felt about this problem we have to be careful not to push their boundaries.

The west and U.S. knew how Russia felt about Nato expansion for many years. Especially since nato was created as a result of the cold war. And U.S. and Russia had issues in the past with Nuclear weapons. U.S. sees its actions as benign and peace keeping. But the rest of the world like China and Russia do not see toe to toe with us.

U.S. should have been more careful at pushing Ukraine to be more pro west. And instead push to keep Ukraine neutral so that Russia wouldn't feel threatened.

 

[linuxares]

I really don't understand your response to be honest. Russia wants Ukriane as it's a key defensive location for Russia. Losing that location means Russia will be venerable to attacks from the west. Russia wants to narrow the gap of entry into Russia.

???

Did everyone forget about Estonia and Latvia? They're way closer than Ukraine are, to Moscow that is.

 

[Valwinz]

???

Did everyone forget about Estonia and Latvia? They're way closer than Ukraine are, to Moscow that is.

Do you mean the nato members? because they are Nato and Russia would be nuts to attack them if i understand the poster i guess this current Russian action that I don't justify is aim to make sure Ukraine never joins nato and so they can focus on defense in other places that they do border Nato

 

[SG854]

???

Did everyone forget about Estonia and Latvia? They're way closer than Ukraine are, to Moscow that is.

I did not as I mentioned in a previous post the west can enter Russia through the Suwalki Gap which it's entry point is near Estonia and Lativia. That section is narrower and easier for Russia to defend.

 

[Xzi]

It’s actually a phenomenon we noticed a long time ago, and something we pay close attention to. We apply specific rules to such members, there’s a sticky in this forum for a reason.

https://gbatemp.net/threads/political-disinformation-propaganda-ops-infiltrating-gbatemp-too.593080/

Disinfo and propaganda isn’t anything new online - we’re quite familiar with bad actors and routinely remove them if they’re found to be here exclusively in bad faith.

Sadly I can't be sure he's getting paid to spew that garbage, as there do seem to be far more Chinese nationalists in favor of the invasion than there are Russian citizens in favor of it. Xi Jinping's re-education camps must be working overtime these days to drill "imperialism = good" into their minds permanently.

 

[djpannda]

Ok now might be the time we need to put down Putin

Ukraine warns of disaster ‘10 times larger than Chernobyl’ as biggest nuclear plant ‘under heavy weapons fire’​

And it was live stream, you actually see Russian start attacking and shoot at firefighter when they started to approach to put out the fire



Waiting Russia response, as the world saw it live ? Deepfake? Lol

 

[djpannda]

I really don't understand your response to be honest. Russia wants Ukriane as it's a key defensive location for Russia. Losing that location means Russia will be venerable to attacks from the west. Russia wants to narrow the gap of entry into Russia.



Not once did I imply Russia is justified in committing the Ukrainian war. If your read my response to you or any previous responses to others I never said they were justified and I have condemned Russia. Please don't put words into my mouth.

I'm just stating what Russia is doing and why they do it. And how they feel about this. You cannot control a person's actions, especially an entire country. So you have to be careful and look at another's perspective to not cause a conflict to happen. So knowing how they felt about this problem we have to be careful not to push their boundaries.

The west and U.S. knew how Russia felt about Nato expansion for many years. Especially since nato was created as a result of the cold war. And U.S. and Russia had issues in the past with Nuclear weapons. U.S. sees its actions as benign and peace keeping. But the rest of the world like China and Russia do not see toe to toe with us.

U.S. should have been more careful at pushing Ukraine to be more pro west. And instead push to keep Ukraine neutral so that Russia wouldn't feel threatened.

That is total

Claiming Russias war crime, in trying to take over a sovereign Nation by force, is because Russia didn’t want it to speak with NATO (not the US) and Russias feeling where hurt that’s the Fragile ego of a tyrant.

“Russia should have been more careful at pushing Ukraine to be more pro Russian. And instead push to keep Ukraine neutral so that NATO wouldn't feel threatened.”
See how that fit soo perfectly,
means that excuse will land Putin in “The Hague”

 

[SG854]

That is total

Claiming Russias war crime, in trying to take over a sovereign Nation by force, is because Russia didn’t want it to speak with NATO (not the US) and Russias feeling where hurt that’s the Fragile ego of a tyrant.

“Russia should have been more careful at pushing Ukraine to be more pro Russian. And instead push to keep Ukraine neutral so that NATO wouldn't feel threatened.”
See how that fit soo perfectly,
means that excuse will land Putin in “The Hague”

Again I don't really understand your angle. Russia does not care. They will defend themselves at whatever cost. Putin does not care if he kills innocents if it means to defend his country.

And you better be sure we have to care about how Putin feels about this when they have access to nuclear weapons. Theres a reason why Biden and the West does not want to send military aid to Ukriane to not start a nuclear war.

You can't treat this like some online troll where you say, "did I hurt your poor little feelings, u mad bro" as a taunt. And the troll you are saying this to can't do nothing but kick and scream behind a computer screen doing nothing to you, which is why these taunts are effective because they can't do anything to you. Putin has a military army and does not give a fuck and will kill you. We are seeing this right now innocent Ukrainians are dying.

 

[djpannda]

Again I don't really understand your angle. Russia does not care. They will defend themselves at whatever cost. Putin does not care if he kills innocents if it means to defend his country.

And you better be sure we have to care about how Putin feels about this when they have access to nuclear weapons. Theres a reason why Biden and the West does not want to send military aid to Ukriane to not start a nuclear war.

You can't treat this like some online troll where you say, "did I hurt your poor little feelings, u mad bro" as a taunt. And the troll you are saying this to can't do nothing but kick and scream behind a computer screen doing nothing to you, which is why these taunts are effective because they can't do anything to you. Putin has a military army and does not give a fuck and will kill you. We are seeing this right now innocent Ukrainians are dying.

..soo excuses and Bowing to a mad man ? With people like you no wonder Putins stayed in power so long.

 

[Xzi]

Putin does not care if he kills innocents if it means to defend his country.

You've got that half right, Putin has no qualms over killing innocents, but he also has no qualms over killing his own countrymen, either. Matter of fact, that's how he seized power to begin with, by staging a false flag attack that killed Russian citizens. Everybody is expendable to a dictator.

 

[pustal]

I really don't understand your response to be honest. Russia wants Ukriane as it's a key defensive location for Russia. Losing that location means Russia will be venerable to attacks from the west. Russia wants to narrow the gap of entry into Russia.



Not once did I imply Russia is justified in committing the Ukrainian war. If your read my response to you or any previous responses to others I never said they were justified and I have condemned Russia. Please don't put words into my mouth.

I'm just stating what Russia is doing and why they do it. And how they feel about this. You cannot control a person's actions, especially an entire country. So you have to be careful and look at another's perspective to not cause a conflict to happen. So knowing how they felt about this problem we have to be careful not to push their boundaries.

The west and U.S. knew how Russia felt about Nato expansion for many years. Especially since nato was created as a result of the cold war. And U.S. and Russia had issues in the past with Nuclear weapons. U.S. sees its actions as benign and peace keeping. But the rest of the world like China and Russia do not see toe to toe with us.

U.S. should have been more careful at pushing Ukraine to be more pro west. And instead push to keep Ukraine neutral so that Russia wouldn't feel threatened.

The US didn't push Ukraine. Ukraine pushed Ukraine to join the democratic world and we and Putin should respect that.

NATO should not have been disbanded because of others' feelings. NATO is a military security union. And NATO became evermore needed with the constant Russian agressions. The rise of China and the nuclearization of other dictatorships makes it so as well.

They feel threatened? Good, that's what stops then from waging direct war with NATO. That's the point.
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Kasparov weighted in on the matter:



I disagree on going directly into warfare with Russia, but he does have a point: the cost of toppling a dictator goes up with time

 

[Foxi4]

Again I don't really understand your angle. Russia does not care. They will defend themselves at whatever cost. Putin does not care if he kills innocents if it means to defend his country.

And you better be sure we have to care about how Putin feels about this when they have access to nuclear weapons. Theres a reason why Biden and the West does not want to send military aid to Ukriane to not start a nuclear war.

You can't treat this like some online troll where you say, "did I hurt your poor little feelings, u mad bro" as a taunt. And the troll you are saying this to can't do nothing but kick and scream behind a computer screen doing nothing to you, which is why these taunts are effective because they can't do anything to you. Putin has a military army and does not give a fuck and will kill you. We are seeing this right now innocent Ukrainians are dying.

Throughout this invasion it’s been noted that Russian equipment is significantly more out-of-date than initially believed, which confirms the suspicions I’ve had for many years now. Russia is a giant on clay legs with a small GDP - they have a couple high-tech vehicles and weapons that only serve the purpose of being show pieces, the rest of their military operates on crappy hand-me-downs from a bygone era. A paint job does not an armor make. They’re also severely underfunded, and corners are cut wherever it’s possible in order to amass quantity instead of quality. Their latest convoy was stalled for a whole day or two because of their shitty Made in China (not a pun) tires blowing up on them. Their equipment is, simply put, sub-standard - if NATO wanted to roll on them, they would, and it’d be a relatively short conflict. Even Russia’s nuclear capability wouldn’t help them much - there’s plenty of pre-existing anti-missile capability that’d likely neutralise their outdated delivery systems without causing much harm, although admittedly, MAD is probably one of the few reasons why the west even has diplomatic relations with Russia (the second being their large stores of fossil fuels and energy supply). Russian generals should hold on to those nukes for their dear life because they can’t seem to win a war against fish in a barrel, and they have a supposed massive advantage just based on numbers.

Moreover, they’re using outdated tactics like leaving their MBT’s out in the open without cover, leading to massive losses - tank platforms are not intended to operate as lone wolves, they’re vulnerable without support. The “strategy” they seem to be applying in Ukraine is to throw as much meat at the enemy as possible, which is what they did during WWII - their advantage is having a whole lot of soldiers they can drop into the conflict zone and sacrifice, by the thousands.

I wouldn’t be particularly worried about Russia if a hypothetical conflict were to erupt, and I don’t understand why the public is. Even military experts are shocked at how poorly this invasion is going - if the Russian military was half as good as they advertise it to be, it would’ve taken Kiev by now. Long story short, they just don’t have the funding to compete, and that’s been the case for a while. The Russian military is like a rich guy in an expensive bathrobe - you’d expect it to be ripped, but it turns out that the fabric is there to cover wrinkles and a beer gut.

To summarise, they’re getting (rightfully) pummelled on the ground because they’re fighting this war in a boneheaded way using outdated strategy and equipment, they have a shitty casus belli that nobody’s buying, they’re completely unprepared in terms of basic supplies like food or fuel (all of which they’re forced to actively loot) and they’re fighting against armed citizenry - a force a military is simply not equipped to fight. It’s been over a week - you’d expect all military forces to be neutralised by now, defensive perimeter to be set up and special forces stepping in to clear out insurgents. That’s not what’s happening - the Russians are still shelling the place because whenever they try to advance, they’re getting whooped and take heavy losses, too heavy to be justifiable for a supposedly modern military. This invasion is *embarrassing*.

EDIT: I’m just going to add a little factoid to solidify the point I’m making - I listened to a recording today. It was radio communications between a tanker from Georgia and a Russian military vessel. They were asking the Georgian vessel for fuel, got laughed at and remained stranded at sea. Imagine that - a military fucking warship having to ask civilian vessels for a top-up because *they ran out of fuel*. This invasion must’ve been planned by Pee-Wee Herman - it’s unexplainable to me how billions of dollars’ worth of ordinance just “runs out of fuel” in the middle of a military operation.

 

[djpannda]

“Russia Vows Prosecution of Foreign Fighters After 16K Join Ukraine”​

Someone’s mad the world is clamoring for his head

 

[djpannda]

Throughout this invasion it’s been noted that Russian equipment is significantly more out-of-date than initially believed, which confirms the suspicions I’ve had for many years now. Russia is a giant on clay legs with a small GDP - they have a couple high-tech vehicles and weapons that only serve the purpose of being show pieces, the rest of their military operates on crappy hand-me-downs from a bygone era. A paint job does not an armor make. They’re also severely underfunded, and corners are cut wherever it’s possible in order to amass quantity instead of quality. Their latest convoy was stalled for a whole day or two because of their shitty Made in China (not a pun) tires blowing up on them. Their equipment is, simply put, sub-standard - if NATO wanted to roll on them, they would, and it’d be a relatively short conflict. Even Russia’s nuclear capability wouldn’t help them much - there’s plenty of pre-existing anti-missile capability that’d likely neutralise their outdated delivery systems without causing much harm, although admittedly, MAD is probably one of the few reasons why the west even has diplomatic relations with Russia (the second being their large stores of fossil fuels and energy supply). Russian generals should hold on to those nukes for their dear life because they can’t seem to win a war against fish in a barrel, and they have a supposed massive advantage just based on numbers.

Moreover, they’re using outdated tactics like leaving their MBT’s out in the open without cover, leading to massive losses - tank platforms are not intended to operate as lone wolves, they’re vulnerable without support. The “strategy” they seem to be applying in Ukraine is to throw as much meat at the enemy as possible, which is what they did during WWII - their advantage is having a whole lot of soldiers they can drop into the conflict zone and sacrifice, by the thousands.

I wouldn’t be particularly worried about Russia if a hypothetical conflict were to erupt, and I don’t understand why the public is. Even military experts are shocked at how poorly this invasion is going - if the Russian military was half as good as they advertise it to be, it would’ve taken Kiev by now. Long story short, they just don’t have the funding to compete, and that’s been the case for a while. The Russian military is like a rich guy in an expensive bathrobe - you’d expect it to be ripped, but it turns out that the fabric is there to cover wrinkles and a beer gut.

To summarise, they’re getting (rightfully) pummelled on the ground because they’re fighting this war in a boneheaded way using outdated strategy and equipment, they have a shitty casus belli that nobody’s buying, they’re completely unprepared in terms of basic supplies like food or fuel (all of which they’re forced to actively loot) and they’re fighting against armed citizenry - a force a military is simply not equipped to fight. It’s been over a week - you’d expect all military forces to be neutralised by now, defensive perimeter to be set up and special forces stepping in to clear out insurgents. That’s not what’s happening - the Russians are still shelling the place because whenever they try to advance, they’re getting whooped and take heavy losses, too heavy to be justifiable for a supposedly modern military. This invasion is *embarrassing*.

Yup even if/when Russia take Ukraine not only is the Ukrainian insurgence going to hundred years of guerilla warfare that will devastate Russia but more importantly

Russia has shown its military hand and may I say disappointing and embarrassing… with 1000s dead,hundreds of Troops awol and 1000s of military vehicles abandoned and being taken over by Ukrainian tiktokers for views… Russia just became then world laughing stock

 

[Foxi4]

Yup even if/when Russia take Ukraine not only is the Ukrainian insurgence going to hundred years of guerilla warfare that will devastate Russia but more importantly

Russia has shown its military hand and may I say disappointing and embarrassing… will 1000s dead hundreds of Troops awol and 1000s of military vehicles abandoned and being taken over by Ukrainian tiktokers for views… Russia just became then world laughing stock

It’s certainly been a while since we’ve seen a more underwhelming advance of a military force. They have a huge numbers advantage and, with persistence, they’re likely to take the capitol eventually, but the cost at which they’re doing it is making them look like clowns. There’s no saving face from this - at this point they’re not even picking up their own fallen since it’d carry the risk of more casualties. Thoroughly demoralising.

 

[djpannda]

It’s certainly been a while since we’ve seen a more underwhelming advance of a military force. They have a huge numbers advantage and, with persistence, they’re likely to take the capitol eventually, but the cost at which they’re doing it is making them look like clowns. There’s no saving face from this - at this point they’re not even picking up their own fallen since it’d carry the risk of more casualties. Thoroughly demoralising.

A video today shows the Russia troop update they are not claiming the bodies .large numbers of Russia are on the point of mutany
.but the dead is definitely a tactic to keep casualties low … that and retroactive kicking out the dead and deserters so they don’t get counted either

It’s getting soo bad, China is just backing up slowing.

 

[Xzi]

It’s certainly been a while since we’ve seen a more underwhelming advance of a military force. They have a huge numbers advantage and, with persistence, they’re likely to take the capitol eventually, but the cost at which they’re doing it is making them look like clowns. There’s no saving face from this - at this point they’re not even picking up their own fallen since it’d carry the risk of more casualties. Thoroughly demoralising.

Well you have to remember morale was pretty much at zero for a lot of Russian troops to begin with, as they surely had friends and/or family in Ukraine. Others may have bought into the propaganda at the start, but quickly realized that they were lied to by the Kremlin once they actually entered Ukraine and started getting orders to target civilians.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

Or just stop being a petty loser and actually post something with substance.

Calls a person they don't know a looser, and in the same phrase, asks for a substantive argument.
last time I checked, calling someone a looser and not explaining why their argument "is BS" is a bs argument or, "not a substantive argument" wouldn't you agree.
Now I'm also not exactly sure how attacking me works within the thread here but okay