Roe V Wade has been repealed

[mrdude]

Respecting a person's religious beliefs and their right to have them is different from whether or not they should be able to force those beliefs down other people's throats through state law. If state law reflects those dogmatic religious beliefs, things look at lot less like the US and a lot more like Gilead.

Nobody is forcing religious beliefs on anyone. The power has now been given to indvidual states to make their own laws, which is how it should have been all along. If you want to live in a civil society you should follow the laws, if not you should move somewhere else so you can live according to your moral compass.

 

[Elodain]

Abortion is something that is far more of a deliberate and potentially traumatic decision than you are making it out to be. The number of people that have this 'lifestyle' you're talking about is not large enough to where restricting or banning it for people that need it is anything but barbaric. Believe it or not, people often understand the implications of their actions.

I can only speak on what I've personally seen with my own eyes.
There were plenty of girls in my High School getting pregnant, most of them got abortions for no other reason than and to quote one of them "fuck that I aint raising no snot nose little fucker that is going to ruin my life." or "I'd rather party than be a parent"

That's not an exaggeration those are actual quotes.

I'm not unsympathetic to those who find themselves in unfortunate situations such as Sexual Assault, Incest, or actually wanting to keep the baby, but doing so isn't viable for health or economic purposes. There are situations I can understand getting an abortion, and which I, much as I would like to see the children have a chance at life, can agree with.

Letting half the football team run a train on you with no protection is not one of those things.

That's just me though, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the matter.

 

[Valwinz]

the Mississippi law prohibiting abortion after 15 weeks is less restrictive than the laws of France and Germany (12 wks). One of the deepest red states is in this sense more liberal than our West European friends. This is what people are freaking out about.

 

[Lacius]

Nobody is forcing religious beliefs on anyone. The power has now been given to indvidual states to make their own laws, which is how it should have been all along. If you want to live in a civil society you should follow the laws, if not you should move somewhere else so you can live according to your moral compass.

Anti-abortion laws are, in fact, religious people forcing religious beliefs onto others.

If you want to live in a civil society you should follow the laws

What about when laws are unjust?

the Mississippi law prohibiting abortion after 15 weeks is less restrictive than the laws of France and Germany (12 wks). One of the deepest red states is in this sense more liberal than our West European friends. This is what people are freaking out about.

You think that's where Mississippi is going to stop now that Roe is gone? Lol.

 

[wartutor]

It is funny how the same people screaming about their rights being taken away are the same ones screaming at the top of their lungs tring to get guns taken away (aka someone elses rights.) They want to be allowed to legally mass murder children but dont want you to be able to carry a concealed weapon (or any gun for that matter.) The difference is one of these things actually is hard written in the constitution and the other should be a fucking no brainer.

 

[mrdude]

Anti-abortion laws are, in fact, religious people forcing religious beliefs onto others.


What about when laws are unjust?


You think that's where Mississippi is going to stop now that Roe is gone? Lol.

Move somewhere else if you don't like it, or these laws affect you and you can't deal with it - or abstain from Sex until you want a child.

 

[Lacius]

It is funny how the same people screaming about their rights being taken away are the same ones screaming at the top of their lungs tring to get guns taken away (aka someone elses rights.) They want to be allowed to legally mass murder children but dont want you to be able to carry a concealed weapon (or any gun for that matter.) The difference is one of these things actually is hard written in the constitution and the other should be a fucking no brainer.

There's only one kind of situation in the US recently in which there was a "mass murder of children," and it had nothing to do with abortion.

Move somewhere else if you don't like it, or these laws affect you.

I've explained how moving out of state is easier said than done for a lot of people. You also didn't answer my question. Should I always follow the law, no matter what? Even when the law is unjust?

Spoiler: You made a stupid comment, and now you're trapped.

 

[wartutor]

There's only one kind of situation in the US recently in which there was a "mass murder of children," and it had nothing to do with abortion.


I've explained how moving out of state is easier said than done for a lot of people. You also didn't answer my question. Should I always follow the law, no matter what? Even when the law is unjust?

Spoiler: You made a stupid comment, and now you're trapped.

Thousands apon thousands of children are aborted each day in the country what you are hinting at was what 24....drop in the liberal bucket when compaired. Blood is on the ground no matter how you look at it. If the one dont offend you then shut the fuck up about the other....there is little to no difference. Both involved killing the innocent.

 

[NoobletCheese]

When it comes to issues of legality, the onus is on the person saying X should be illegal to demonstrate why it should be illegal, not the other way around.

Let x = murder. Does a murderer have the burden to justify killing someone, or does the victim have to prove why they shouldn't?

2. Allow a fetus to die of natural causes (being unable to survive outside a woman's womb)

The definition of natural cause is too broad here I think. I could breed fish, take them out of water and say they died of natural causes.

 

[Lacius]

Thousands apon thousands of children are aborted each day in the country what you are hinting at was what 24....drop in the liberal bucket when compaired. Blood is on the ground no matter how you look at it. If the one dont offend you then shut the fuck up about the other....there is little to no difference. Both involved killing the innocent.

Children don't get aborted. Fetuses and embryos do.

 

[Lacius]

Let x = murder.

'Kay?

 

[SyphenFreht]

Thousands apon thousands of children are aborted each day in the country what you are hinting at was what 24....drop in the liberal bucket when compaired. Blood is on the ground no matter how you look at it. If the one dont offend you then shut the fuck up about the other....there is little to no difference. Both involved killing the innocent.

And yet Republicans are set to extinguish the rights of women instead of restricting gun laws to prevent the other "mass killing of innocent children".

So it seems like the agenda is to force birth these children so we can shoot them later. Can't wait to cast my Republican vote in two years.

 

[mightymuffy]

A fetus is not a baby.

I'm gonna abstain from most of this subject coz... woah.... but, whilst I actually agree with some of what you've said on here (a feat in itself coming from you) ...I'm guessing you're telling us at a certain point, probably number of days, a little bundle of flesh magically transforms into a 'baby'? Is this at a certain exact time? Like the strike of midnight? As in, do little fairies fly down from the rainbow of life or summat, and wiggle their arses in front of the mums belly until a little light passes through and hey presto we have a baby?!

No no, I'm teasing I suppose, let me guess, this is what your favourite scientist has told you? As in this is scientifically accurate no? Remember "Science doesn't know anything, otherwise it would stop" I'm not completely disagreeing, I guess there's maybe.... some... evidence to support the whole 'transition' between 'fetus' and 'baby', cognitive development, etcetc, but try to actually read what you're fukkin typing here - how can any of us actually determine when a baby is a baby? Even the greatest scientific minds?

 

[Lacius]

I'm gonna abstain from most of this subject coz... woah.... but, whilst I actually agree with some of what you've said on here (a feat in itself coming from you) ...I'm guessing you're telling us at a certain point, probably number of days, a little bundle of flesh magically transforms into a 'baby'? Is this at a certain exact time? Like the strike of midnight? As in, do little fairies fly down from the rainbow of life or summat, and wiggle their arses in front of the mums belly until a little light passes through and hey presto we have a baby?!

No no, I'm teasing I suppose, let me guess, this is what your favourite scientist has told you? As in this is scientifically accurate no? Remember "Science doesn't know anything, otherwise it would stop" I'm not completely disagreeing, I guess there's maybe.... some... evidence to support the whole 'transition' between 'fetus' and 'baby', cognitive development, etcetc, but try to actually read what you're fukkin typing here - how can any of us actually determine when a baby is a baby? Even the greatest scientific minds?

There is no magical time at which a fetus becomes a baby. I am fine with treating it like a baby around the time of fetal viability, since that is when it has autonomy.

If you want to talk about little fairies flying down and sprinkling magic glitter on a pregnant woman, talk to those who think the soul begins magically at conception.

 

[MikaDubbz]

Thousands apon thousands of children are aborted each day in the country what you are hinting at was what 24....drop in the liberal bucket when compaired. Blood is on the ground no matter how you look at it. If the one dont offend you then shut the fuck up about the other....there is little to no difference. Both involved killing the innocent.

See the problem is equating an unfeeling, unknowing, unaware being with that of a child that has lived a few years is inherently impossible.

Now if we all agreed that every fertilized egg instantly has something like a soul and that every soul is initially damned before it is baptized, then I can see how there should be concern there. Maybe that's true, but there has yet to be proof of it, and therein lies the problem. Because even if it is murder, who is being hurt? The being wont feel it and it's soul I don't believe is inherently damned if the soul does indeed exist. It feels more appropriate almost to protest the many times I've stepped on ants and spiders in my life.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I'm gonna abstain from most of this subject coz... woah.... but, whilst I actually agree with some of what you've said on here (a feat in itself coming from you) ...I'm guessing you're telling us at a certain point, probably number of days, a little bundle of flesh magically transforms into a 'baby'? Is this at a certain exact time? Like the strike of midnight? As in, do little fairies fly down from the rainbow of life or summat, and wiggle their arses in front of the mums belly until a little light passes through and hey presto we have a baby?!

No no, I'm teasing I suppose, let me guess, this is what your favourite scientist has told you? As in this is scientifically accurate no? Remember "Science doesn't know anything, otherwise it would stop" I'm not completely disagreeing, I guess there's maybe.... some... evidence to support the whole 'transition' between 'fetus' and 'baby', cognitive development, etcetc, but try to actually read what you're fukkin typing here - how can any of us actually determine when a baby is a baby? Even the greatest scientific minds?

Is there a point to this nonsense beside the obvious attempt at trolling with condescending whataboutism and strawman statements?

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Now if we all agreed that every fertilized egg instantly has something like a soul and that every soul is initially damned before it is baptized, then I can see how there should be concern there.

And you would be wrong anyway, Pope Benedict established that Limbo doesn't exist anymore or, if it does, unbaptised children do not go there anyway, they are directly sent to Heaven.

 

[MikaDubbz]

And you would be wrong anyway, Pope Benedict established that Limbo doesn't exist anymore or, if it does, unbaptised children do not go there anyway, they are directly sent to Heaven.

Ah, well I haven't kept up. So all the more my point. If the soul isn't even in danger here. What is the issue? The life being lost hasn't experienced anything and wont feel anything.

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

It's not illegal and the fact you and probably hundreds of millions of people think it is says everything you need to know about the propaganda being peddled about this decision

 

[Dark_Ansem]

It's not illegal and the fact you and probably hundreds of millions of people think it is says everything you need to know about the propaganda being peddled about this decision

It's already illegal in some states and the GQP said federal ban was the ultimate plan. Clutching at straws, that is what you're doing.