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Except you fail to realize the created power dynamic by that. Using your own example, Missouri now gets to legislate everyone
It doesn't create equal power from majority to somehow in-between. It takes power of the majority and puts in the hand of the minority. And you know what is a minority of people in other places?
Kings, Queens.
I didn't sign that constitution. The majority of people, didn't sign onto having a right wrongfully being taken away from them. That right? That states could never legislate body atomony.
What constitutes right and wrong? Many peoples idea of right are wrong are different.

Want a solution? Make state constitutions supercede the Federal constitution. Let states make there own rules.

But of course, that'll never happen. Because Democrats want top down control
 

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Arms = armaments

Armaments = "military weapons and equipment"

Military weapons and equipment = guns

Just semantics. Quit it

Embryo=Fetus

Fetus=Baby

No, I don't think I will. You people are incredulous. You want to infer your own rights from a piece of paper that doesn't specify because you're all too materialistic to care about anything else except the money you wasted on buying guns to prepare for a government that's doing exactly what you people fear right now: stripping away rights and dehumanizing selected groups of people. You want to abide by the Constitution like it's law, but don't seem to realize that at any point the government could declare guns illegal and technically, they haven't gone against the Constitution. It's there to remind people they have the right to rise up and fight a tyrannical government through carrying arms and, guess what? A bag of rocks is still arming yourself.

Bodily autonomy was left out of the Constitution because the founding fathers still treated women like non people (in addition to every other non white male), and you all take that fact to the heart when it comes to your constitutional rights. Too bad the Constitution was made with the intent that "all men were created equal" but I have yet to see the limitations on any make body in any fashion.

How does that constitutional level of inequality fit into your small scope of morals?
 

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I did not one time blame the woman quit being rediculous i said she could of prevented it by shooting the rapest how the fuck you got that from what i said is the problem with liberals they read/hear what they want instead of what was wrote/said.
Read the link I posted one page back what you did is clasic victim blaming. Even if not intended by you it is still victim blaming.
 

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Where are guns specifically mentioned in the Constitution?

Youre trying to make an argument that even no gun control advocates have ever seriously pursued. Partly because they're not dense and know it's a loser, but also because it would very likely backfire. "Arms" means guns ... and more!!! Cannons, swords, grenades maybe. But i know what youre thinking .... nuclear weapons? No, sorry. Because nuclear weapons are not ordinary equipment issued to soldiers in wartime. US v Miller, decided in 1939, says the 2nd amendment covers the "ordinary military equipment" of the typical infantry soldier. That phrase, "ordinary military equipment," implies that the arms available to "the people" under the 2nd amendment are of the same type and capability that the military issues to grunt soldiers. So not just AR-15's, but even select fire M4's and full-auto M-16's.

Should we litigate this issue further???
 

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Embryo=Fetus

Fetus=Baby

No, I don't think I will. You people are incredulous. You want to infer your own rights from a piece of paper that doesn't specify because you're all too materialistic to care about anything else except the money you wasted on buying guns to prepare for a government that's doing exactly what you people fear right now: stripping away rights and dehumanizing selected groups of people. You want to abide by the Constitution like it's law, but don't seem to realize that at any point the government could declare guns illegal and technically, they haven't gone against the Constitution. It's there to remind people they have the right to rise up and fight a tyrannical government through carrying arms and, guess what? A bag of rocks is still arming yourself.

Bodily autonomy was left out of the Constitution because the founding fathers still treated women like non people (in addition to every other non white male), and you all take that fact to the heart when it comes to your constitutional rights. Too bad the Constitution was made with the intent that "all men were created equal" but I have yet to see the limitations on any make body in any fashion.

How does that constitutional level of inequality fit into your small scope of morals?
Actually no. The government can't say that guns are illegal. because the supreme court has settled this semantic argument a long time ago. Arms = guns, this is a fact. If the house passed a law making guns illegal, it'd be struck down. Because it goes against the constitution.

As someone pointed out. Bodily autonomy is in the constitution under the 4th amendments. The bill of rights was reaffirmed under the 14th amendment. However. Bodily autonomy doesn't mean that you have the right to determine life or death of another body, that being the baby. Not even the court that decided roe v wade suggested this.

Men and Women are inherently different because of.. biology. The fact that women can give birth doesn't mean that they have the right to kill their child.
 

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Youre trying to make an argument that even no gun control advocates have ever seriously pursued. Partly because they're not dense and know it's a loser, but also because it would very likely backfire. "Arms" means guns ... and more!!! Cannons, swords, grenades maybe. But i know what youre thinking .... nuclear weapons? No, sorry. Because nuclear weapons are not ordinary equipment issued to soldiers in wartime. US v Miller, decided in 1939, says the 2nd amendment covers the "ordinary military equipment" of the typical infantry soldier. That phrase, "ordinary military equipment," implies that the arms available to "the people" under the 2nd amendment are of the same type and capability that the military issues to grunt soldiers. So not just AR-15's, but even select fire M4's and full-auto M-16's.

Should we litigate this issue further???
TLDR. Weapons that match the power of what troops have.

I want my select fire galil and I want it now!
 
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But of course, that'll never happen. Because Democrats want top down control
Really? How about the party that voted no against stopping gerrymandering which would cause equal power. Who is the party that decided that people should never be able to transition? Who was the party that just now, voted that a state can control another person's atonomy. Who was the party that supported a coup, and wanted to kill their political leaders. Who is the party who is closely aligned with the proud boys "proud boys stand back and stand by"
Who was the party that invaded the capital on January 6th.
The Republican party did all those things. They want more control than any Democrat could desire.
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The republican party doesn't support unions too.
 
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Actually no. The government can't say that guns are illegal. because the supreme court has settled this semantic argument a long time ago. Arms = guns, this is a fact. If the house passed a law making guns illegal, it'd be struck down. Because it goes against the constitution.

As someone pointed out. Bodily autonomy is in the constitution under the 4th amendments. The bill of rights was reaffirmed under the 14th amendment. However. Bodily autonomy doesn't mean that you have the right to determine life or death of another body, that being the baby. Not even the court that decided roe v wade suggested this.

Men and Women are inherently different because of.. biology. The fact that women can give birth doesn't mean that they have the right to kill their child.
Why are you "caring" about the baby when your obviously don't care about the baby.

Come back to me when you volunteer to adopt some of these babies from single parent mothers that can't afford to raise a child but forced due to rights of abortion being stripped away. Show me that you really care.
 

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Why are you "caring" about the baby when your obviously don't care about the baby.

Come back to me when you volunteer to adopt some of these babies from single parent mothers that can't afford to raise a child but forced due to rights of abortion being stripped away. Show me that you really care.
I'm fine with a total revamp of our foster care system. Kids deserve a good place to live and thrive. Luckily many many families adopt children every day in this country. So much so that I believe there is a shortage of babies up for adoption last time I checked
 

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Obviously that's become secondary to overturning settled law for this activist conservative court, their interpretation of the constitution will simply become more and more creatively fascist without any checks or balances on their power.
It’s the opposite of an activist court, they’re reversing an activist decision on the basis of interpreting text as it is written, which is the only interpretation that should ever be used when it comes to law.
Of course, but you think now that'll change?
It doesn’t matter what I think, what matters is the rule of law. We can’t approve of the government overstepping its boundaries just because we like the results. The Constitution functions as a check on the federal government, the SCOTUS shouldn’t be “reinterpreting” the document to mean what they want it to mean at any given time to cover for the incompetence of Congress. If the Constitution says whatever it needs to say to justify the whims of those in power then it means nothing. Legislating is not the court’s function, and the fact that it’s been corrupted to serve such a function in the past does not justify ignoring the issue today. It was a bad decision founded upon a false premise and repealing it corrects that past wrong. What happens going forward is up to Congress, and with some luck, this will serve as a warning to those who wish to usurp the court in the future.
Youre trying to make an argument that even no gun control advocates have ever seriously pursued. Partly because they're not dense and know it's a loser, but also because it would very likely backfire. "Arms" means guns ... and more!!! Cannons, swords, grenades maybe. But i know what youre thinking .... nuclear weapons? No, sorry. Because nuclear weapons are not ordinary equipment issued to soldiers in wartime. US v Miller, decided in 1939, says the 2nd amendment covers the "ordinary military equipment" of the typical infantry soldier. That phrase, "ordinary military equipment," implies that the arms available to "the people" under the 2nd amendment are of the same type and capability that the military issues to grunt soldiers. So not just AR-15's, but even select fire M4's and full-auto M-16's.

Should we litigate this issue further???
I am in favour of privately-owned tanks, you keep that “grunt talk” to yourself. :lol:

TLDR. Weapons that match the power of what troops have.

I want my select fire galil and I want it now!
If the second amendment is supposed to function as a check against government tyranny and as a safety measure in the event of an invasion, it must cover the same weapons the government has access to, by definition. This was the belief the founders held when writing it and that’s what it means. Also, Galil is out, Sig Spear is in - get some modern stuff up in here.

5000 sold by one company called Midwest Tactical Inc., they have many more in stock right now. Not that hard to get if you have the money. They even have a frigging AK-47 for sale.

If its that hard to fine them how come it took me less than a minute?

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An AK-47 is a Class 3 weapon, it’s heavily restricted. In order to be permitted purchase, you have to be a Class 3 FFL (Federal Firearms License, intended for firearms dealers), ideally an SOT (Special Occupation Taxpayer). If you’re comfortable with annual testing, shelling out $37K for the weapon and then subsequently paying an additional $500-$1000 in tax every year (flat annual rate, by the virtue of SOT status), go nuts. You don’t even have “a premise for conducting business” - an FFL, even a home-based one, requires you to have a business intent. Are you planning to become a gunsmith? Do you even know what that entails? For the record, holding an FFL license also means ATF inspections of your “place of business”, just so you know. Have fun with those guys, especially during the in-person interview:

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/apply-license

My bet’s on “you’re not qualified to purchase this weapon”. The gross majority of citizens do not fulfil the requirements for purchasing an automatic weapon, they *are* rare, and those who can buy, sell or otherwise transfer them are exceedingly well-qualified, usually involved in the firearms business themselves, or they have another lawful use case. They’re not “off the shelf” items, you can’t walk into a gun store and leave with an automatic rifle, or any other NFA item, period. Most importantly, even if you are qualified, it’s not a *new* item, it’s from the 80’s - a collectible piece that’s older than most people reading this exchange. There’s a reason why “crazies” don’t run around with AK-47’s, even if you *can* find one for sale - actually buying one is a different matter entirely, and requires a slew of background checks on top of what’s normally required.
 

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It’s the opposite of an activist court, they’re reversing an activist decision on the basis of interpreting text as it is written, which is the only interpretation that should ever be used when it comes to law.

It doesn’t matter what I think, what matters is the rule of law. We can’t approve of the government overstepping its boundaries just because we like the results. The Constitution functions as a check on the federal government, the SCOTUS shouldn’t be “reinterpreting” the document to mean what they want it to mean at any given time to cover for the incompetence of Congress. If the Constitution says whatever it needs to say to justify the whims of those in power then it means nothing. Legislating is not the court’s function, and the fact that it’s been corrupted to serve such a function in the past does not justify ignoring the issue today. It was a bad decision founded upon a false premise and repealing it corrects that past wrong. What happens going forward is up to Congress, and with some luck, this will serve as a warning to those who wish to usurp the court in the future.

I am in favour of privately-owned tanks, you keep that “grunt talk” to yourself. :lol:


If the second amendment is supposed to function as a check against government tyranny and as a safety measure in the event of an invasion, it must cover the same weapons the government has access to, by definition. This was the belief the founders held when writing it and that’s what it means. Also, Galil is out, Sig Spear is in - get some modern stuff up in here.


An AK-47 is a Class 3 weapon, it’s heavily restricted. In order to be permitted purchase, you have to either be a Class 3 FFL (Federal Firearms License, intended for firearms dealers) or a Class 3 SOT (Special Occupation Taxpayer). If you’re comfortable with annual testing, shelling out $37K for the weapon and then subsequently paying an additional $500-$1000 in tax, go nuts. You don’t even have “a premise for conducting business” - an FFL, even a home-based one, requires you to have a business intent. Are you planning to become a gunsmith? Do you even know what that entails? My bet’s on “you’re not qualified to purchase this weapon”. The gross majority of citizens do not fulfil the requirements for purchasing an automatic weapon, they *are* rare, and those who can buy, sell or otherwise transfer them are exceedingly well-qualified, usually involved in the firearms business themselves, or they have another lawful use case. They’re not “off the shelf” items, you can’t walk into a gun store and leave with an automatic rifle, or any other NFA item, period. Most importantly, even if you are qualified, it’s not a *new* item, it’s from the 80’s - a collectible piece that’s older than most people reading this exchange.
Whilst I don't agree with the majority of what you post I will give you respect for this reply because you took time and went and got all the relevant data to reply to me.

I will though never be convinced that guns should be legal. In my country they are not unless needed for work. And we as a result have very low gun crimes and zero school shootings in the last 35 years which funnily enough is when guns were banned.
 

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Whilst I don't agree with the majority of what you post I will give you respect for this reply because you took time and went and got all the relevant data to reply to me.

I will though never be convinced that guns should be legal. In my country they are not unless needed for work. And we as a result have very low gun crimes and zero school shootings in the last 35 years which funnily enough is when guns were banned.
If guns magically evaporated, there would be no school shootings - nobody will argue in earnest that this is not the case. The argument goes well beyond that, and I disagree that the right to bear arms is “not needed” - the opposite is true, it is a pre-requisite for the proper functioning of a truly free society that can self-determine. I think the fact that people in Europe were, for the most part, stripped of this essential right is an absolute travesty. I can only hope that this will one day be corrected, but that’s unlikely to happen in my lifetime. Thankfully, with some perseverance and dedication, you can still obtain a legal firearm on the isles, and I hope that never changes.
 
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Whilst I don't agree with the majority of what you post I will give you respect for this reply because you took time and went and got all the relevant data to reply to me.

I will though never be convinced that guns should be legal. In my country they are not unless needed for work. And we as a result have very low gun crimes and zero school shootings in the last 35 years which funnily enough is when guns were banned.
Glasgow is one of the worst crime ridden citys in scotland. Maybe if law abiding citizans could protect themselves and their property with guns that number could drop.
 

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why do you need a projectile weapon only useful as a killing implement
inb4 the answer "i can want whatever i like that's freedom"
you don't have the freedom to get grenade launchers, either
you don't need guns any more than you need a grenade launcher

americans, why are you always like this
everyone else has universal healthcare, a living wage, restrictions on gun ownership and significant assistance in receiving tertiary education at the absolute worst

we laugh at you when you say you're the best country in the world
you are laughable
the butt of the joke
 
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If guns magically evaporated, there would be no school shootings - nobody will argue in earnest that this is not the case. The argument goes well beyond that, and I disagree that the right to bear arms is “not needed” - the opposite is true, it is a pre-requisite for the proper functioning of a truly free society that can self-determine. I think the fact that people in Europe were, for the most part, stripped of this essential right is an absolute travesty. I can only help that it will one day be corrected, but that’s unlikely to happen in my lifetime. Thankfully, with some perseverance and dedication, you can still obtain a legal firearm on the isles, and I hope that never changes.
Are you proposing that the UK is less free than the USA in the same thread as folks defending gun rights here by making schools single-entry point fire hazards guarded by federal agents? Deep irony and baseless condescension here... your viewpoints are an absolute travesty and I can only help that it will one day be corrected, but that's unlikely to happen in your lifetime.
Glasgow is one of the worst crime ridden citys in scotland. Maybe if law abiding citizans could protect themselves and their property with guns that number could drop.
And yet their homicide per capita rate is still less than it is in the USA. Maybe if man-children stopped talking down to every woman they saw, they'd have more time to self reflect? :blush:
 
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why do you need a projectile weapon only useful as a killing implement
inb4 the answer "i can want whatever i like that's freedom"
you don't have the freedom to get grenade launchers, either
you don't need guns any more than you need a grenade launcher
In the US, sure you can. If it is not a black powder weapon, it must be registered with the BATFE, and a $200 transfer tax paid on the “Destructive Device”. Each round of ammo with an explosive warhead must also be registered, and tax paid.
 

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Are you proposing that the UK is less free than the USA in the same thread as folks defending gun rights here by making schools single-entry point fire hazards guarded by federal agents? Deep irony and baseless condescension here... your viewpoints are an absolute travesty and I can only help that it will one day be corrected, but that's unlikely to happen in your lifetime.

And yet their homicide per capita rate is still less than it is in the USA. Maybe if man-children stopped talking down to every woman they saw, they'd have more time to self reflect? :blush:
I dont know about other towns but where i live muder rate is almost 0. Of course i live in a respectable, law abiding, red state. Not one of those democratically ran, criminals have more rights than victims, blue city's.

Edit. America's problem isnt guns its the lack of convicting people for breaking laws. More profitable to let them keep breaking them and slapping them on the wrist.
 

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why do you need a projectile weapon only useful as a killing implement
inb4 the answer "i can want whatever i like that's freedom"
you don't have the freedom to get grenade launchers, either
you don't need guns any more than you need a grenade launcher

americans, why are you always like this
everyone else has universal healthcare, a living wage, restrictions on gun ownership and significant assistance in receiving tertiary education at the absolute worst

we laugh at you when you say you're the best country in the world
you are laughable
the butt of the joke
Actually we can own grenade launchers lol
 
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Glasgow is one of the worst crime ridden citys in scotland. Maybe if law abiding citizans could protect themselves and their property with guns that number could drop.
Shall we just ignore the fact that Glasgow has the highest population of anywhere in Scotland so kinda stands to reason crime rates would be higher. Also the highest reported crime was for fraud so not sure how a gun stops someone hacking your bank account.

Or also the fact that crime is the lowest in Scotland that it has been since 1973.

Also a nice little read for anyone interested.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...167e68-6e02-4795-92f8-adb1020b7434_story.html
 
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