Roe V Wade has been repealed

[Lacius]

I did tag you. Should've been implied when I replied and quoted your post.

My point wasn't that you didn't tag me before. My point was that your post didn't say much other than "nuh uh," and I wasn't sure if I should expect another post from you later.

And this is not a nuh uh argument. I gave you a reason. You're just trying to downplay the fact that the fetus is being killed.

I've already explained to you that the fetus isn't being killed anymore than I'm being killed when I don't get my kidney donation, so yes, your post was pretty much a "nuh uh" post, particularly the second half.

At the end of the day you are killing the fetus. It doesn't matter if you twist the argument to try to convince yourself that you are not killing the fetus or try to not use the word kill so that the anti abortion crowd doesn't get rilled up at that emotionally charged word.

Then at the end of the day, you're killing the man who needs a kidney. Should the state still require you to donate one of your kidneys?

You'll need to give examples of what you mean by this. Saying something general is useless if I don't have a specific scenario since not everything is black and white. There may be some cases where laws may make sense but other times where it doesn't. In general, no laws should not be imposed in the name of saving lives. But that's in general without any specific situations.

It's a simple question. Do you believe the state should impose laws violating people's bodily autonomy in the name of saving lives?

Where is the dependent, aka fetus, in the kidney metaphor?

I gave you one. Pretend the person who needs the kidney is a biological offspring/dependent.

 

[SyphenFreht]

A sure sign that the conversation is lost is when people start playing "What If" games with each other. It is a purely emotional response by people who do not have facts on their side. This is how kids argue with each other. It looks like some people just never grow up. Smh

Quaint response considering you've posted nothing to back up any claim you've made besides, again, a dead website with falsified statistics. You continually point fingers at people and attack them for doing the same things you continue to do. All of your responses have been emotionally based and without reason, yet you ridicule someone who posts the same thing. I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here:

You have no voice of your own.

Attack everyone all you want, at the end of the day, you're an angry child who cries and throws tantrums when people argue outside your lowered level of thinking.

Any time you wanna play with the big boys, trying reading your own crap before you start pointing fingers.

 

[tabzer]

My point wasn't that you didn't tag me before. My point was that your post didn't say much other than "nuh uh," and I wasn't sure if I should expect another post from you later.


I've already explained to you that the fetus isn't being killed anymore than I'm being killed when I don't get my kidney donation, so yes, your post was pretty much a "nuh uh" post, particularly the second half.


Then at the end of the day, you're killing the man who needs a kidney. Should the state still require you to donate one of your kidneys?


It's a simple question. Do you believe the state should impose laws violating people's bodily autonomy in the name of saving lives?


I gave you one. Pretend the person who needs the kidney is a biological offspring/dependent.

Ok. Then why is it okay for the mother to force someone to need a kidney transplant?

 

[Lacius]

Ok. Then why is it okay for the mother to force someone to need a kidney transplant?

The question is if the state should be able to force a parent to donate a kidney to a biological offspring. The mother is not "forcing someone to need a kidney transplant." You seemed confused by the analogy.

 

[SyphenFreht]

Hey @BitMasterPlus man child, check this out:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-abortion-executive-order_n_62c7c916e4b045168460ae03

Abortion rights won't be subjugated for long. What's the crap you've been saying?

Deal with it? Get over it?

I hope Republican tears taste half as good as liberal tears.

 

[TraderPatTX]

The woman isn't killing the fetus anymore than you're killing me by not donating one of your kidneys to me. The fetus doesn't have a right to someone else's body, just like I don't have a right to yours. It's unfortunate that the fetus or embryo will die, and it's unfortunate that I will die, but neither is murder (and that's even pretending that a fetus or embryo is a person).


That has nothing to do with a woman's bodily autonomy rights, and she's killing the baby.

A fetus doesn't need a right to a woman's body. It's called nature, and that's how it works for almost all mammals. Only leftists try to take rights away from people who cannot defend themselves. For people who claim they are the "Party of Science", you people have an open disdain of science. And the left has the gall to call other people science deniers. The left's projections are stronger than a thousand suns.

 

[tabzer]

The question is if the state should be able to force a parent to donate a kidney to a biological offspring. The mother is not "forcing someone to need a kidney transplant." You seemed confused by the analogy.

Of course I am "confused" by the analogy. It's not consistent. The question is if the state should hold a parent responsible for their child's welfare. The mother forced the offspring into existence, not the other way around.

 

[Lacius]

Of course I am "confused" by the analogy. It's not consistent. The question is if the state should hold a parent responsible for their child's welfare. The mother forced the offspring into existence, not the other way around.

You think a parent should be forced to donate an organ?

 

[TraderPatTX]

Quaint response considering you've posted nothing to back up any claim you've made besides, again, a dead website with falsified statistics. You continually point fingers at people and attack them for doing the same things you continue to do. All of your responses have been emotionally based and without reason, yet you ridicule someone who posts the same thing. I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here:

You have no voice of your own.

Attack everyone all you want, at the end of the day, you're an angry child who cries and throws tantrums when people argue outside your lowered level of thinking.

Any time you wanna play with the big boys, trying reading your own crap before you start pointing fingers.

This whole thread is one giant leftist struggle session.

In fact, every political thread on GBATemp is one big leftist struggle session. I'm actually running out of storage for all the salty tears you people are producing. And it will only get better as the year progresses. I imagine by the end of the year, you will rage quit this forum and in typical leftist style, you will announce your departure.

 

[tabzer]

You think a parent should be forced to donate an organ?

Do you really want me to pretend you are stupid? I think a parent should donate an organ to the person who was forced into needing an organ by the said parent. Please note that I am not advocating force, but force does exist.

 

[Lacius]

I think a parent should donate an organ to the person who was forced into needing an organ by the said parent.

The offspring exists and is dependent on needing an organ because the parent had sex. Is that enough for a state to mandate the donation of a kidney from one of the parents?

 

[SyphenFreht]

This whole thread is one giant leftist struggle session.

In fact, every political thread on GBATemp is one big leftist struggle session. I'm actually running out of storage for all the salty tears you people are producing. And it will only get better as the year progresses. I imagine by the end of the year, you will rage quit this forum and in typical leftist style, you will announce your departure.

And yet here you are again, responding and taking active part. Laugh all you want, you're caught up in this as much as any "leftie".

You sure about that? If you recall, your Republican party is the one that continually gets shut down and forgotten about. What happennnnned to the KKK? The Proud Boys? Trump's reelection? Putting Hilary in jail? The January 6th insurrection? The Confederacy? The American Mexican wall? Aren't these all viable examples of how alt rights cry and then accept their eventual defeat and departure? When's the last time Republicans won anything compared to Democrats?

In fact, when's the last time you highlighted a party that isn't red or blue? You're getting awfully caught up in this red v blue concept for someone who is supposedly anti bipartisan and anti big government.

Tell you what. You keep drinking whatever leftist tears you think are in this thread and on this platform, I'll keep drinking your hypocrite tears. Sound like a deal?

 

[tabzer]

The offspring exists and is dependent on needing an organ because the parent had sex. Is that enough for a state to mandate the donation of a kidney from one of the parents?

A kidney and a uterus? You made a metaphor and now we are transcending reality.

If the act of sex forces someone to need a kidney, then I suppose those who made someone need a kidney should correct the situation.

 

[Lacius]

A kidney and a uterus? You made a metaphor and now we are transcending reality.

If the act of sex forces someone to need a kidney, then I suppose those who made someone need a kidney should correct the situation.

Sex created the human being now contingent on the body of one of the parents. Keep up.

 

[tabzer]

Sex created the human being now contingent on the body of one of the parents. Keep up.

Right, so who forced the need for a kidney?

"Keep up". Someone getting agitated?

Sex isn't a magical thing that absolves people of responsibility, lol.

 

[Lacius]

Right, so who forced the need for a kidney?

Nobody forced the need for a kidney, just like nobody forced the need of the womb.

"Keep up". Someone getting agitated?

Agitated? No. However, you do need to keep up. It isn't hard.

Sex isn't a magical thing that absolves people of responsibility, lol.

Sex isn't a magical thing that causes one to lose their bodily autonomy. Sex that results in pregnancy doesn't take away bodily autonomy, and sex that results in pregnancy and birth to a child who needs a kidney doesn't take away bodily autonomy.

 

[titan_tim]

Nobody is talking about 3rd trimester abortion?

You don't read much do you?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47066307

To answer your dumb hypothetical... All life is equally important. Just because one would have to make a certain decision during an emergency does not negate the value of those thousands of embryos. It's not an either/or for most people. It's like asking parents which kid do they love the most. It's a stupid question that stupid people ask to try and trip up people smarter than they are and it adds nothing to the conversation.

That specific 3rd trimester abortion issue comes specifically if the mother is in danger, or in cases of extreme deformity. I've had a family member give birth to a baby with trisomy 13. The lungs and heart were born out of place. The baby lived for two days in pain. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I wouldn't want someone to go and just decide last minute that a baby wouldn't be good for them socially last minute, but there are still situations that it's necessary.

Also, it's not the same as asking a parent which kid they love the most. It's completely different. Once again to my own personal experiences, my wife and I have two kids, and we've also had two miscarriages. I love my two kids more than the two I never had the chance to meet. We were sad when it happened, but we moved on. If one of our kids were to die today, we wouldn't be able to move on from that.

You can take this all as hearsay, but I don't really care.

 

[tabzer]

Nobody forced the need for a kidney, just like nobody forced the need of the womb.


Agitated? No. However, you do need to keep up. It isn't hard.


Sex isn't a magical thing that causes one to lose their bodily autonomy. Sex that results in pregnancy doesn't take away bodily autonomy, and sex that results in pregnancy and birth to a child who needs a kidney doesn't take away bodily autonomy.

You seem to be suggesting that an embryo is an uninvited guest. Do you believe that?

Consider this: If every time you have sex, there is a chance of you forcing someone to need a kidney; is it ethical?

 

[Lacius]

You seem to be suggesting that an embryo is an uninvited guest. Do you believe that?

If the person doesn't want to be pregnant, then yes.

Consider this: If every time you have sex, there is a chance of you forcing someone to need a kidney; is it ethical?

Sex would potentially be unethical if when you did it, there's a chance you actively damaged someone's kidneys. That's a separate issue from whether or not it should be illegal.

Edit: And it would definitely be a separate issue from whether or not you can be compelled to donate a kidney.

 

[tabzer]

If the person doesn't want to be pregnant, then yes.


Sex would potentially be unethical if when you did it, there's a chance you actively damaged someone's kidneys. That's a separate issue from whether or not it should be illegal.

Edit: And it would definitely be a separate issue from whether or not you can be compelled to donate a kidney.

When I consider that you think that someone changing their mind after the fact qualifies as "not wanting to become pregnant" it seems that you are advocating for the existence of such people.

But on the other point, should manslaughter be illegal? Should the crime have a harsher punishment if a remedy cannot be provided?