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Okay, not really the games department (while we can still argue about the recent unfinished games), but I'm talking about the console department.

From the Wii all the way to the Wii U, Nintendo has been making consoles where the HOME menu was lively in some way. Okay, maybe except the DS. But the Wii had cool menu music, animated icons, and a TV-channel-like approach with calling apps "channels" & the static-like screens for empty slots. The DSi was a great upgrade from the DS, where the menu was redesigned to have box-like games and a cool little animation when opening new games as if you unpack a birthday gift. The 3DS embraced the DSi's menu and put a nice touch on it and added features like folders, or a theme shop to customize your menu and put more life to it. The Wii U came with WaraWara Plaza, which literally had life in it by putting Miis, having them walk around and pop up with random comments. True, this isn't used as much now that Miiverse is dead.

Then the Switch came out, and all those features were stripped completely. Menu music? Folders that aren't half-assed? THEMES? This all seems like foreign concepts to Nintendo, a corporation which's previous consoles had these features. It would be such a no-brainer to add a theme shop where you can earn money basically from selling images and music based on your games. We waited FIVE ENTIRE YEARS for firmware that, while finally adding at least FOLDERS, implemented them in the most half-assed way even possible. Who thought that it was a remotely good idea to put folders in a menu that only appears if you have more than X games, and to get folders in THAT menu, you have to press an extra button?

"but muh 200kB and faster boot times!"
Let's face it honestly. The 3DS had kinda slow boot times. Yet literally nobody bat an eye, because booting takes time for computers. We became used to the fact. Sure, if something doesn't boot in 3 minutes, maybe there IS a problem, but the 3DS' boot time was like what, 20 secs? And not to even mention Nintendo Badge Arcade which loaded its data for 5 minutes until you were even let in.

I would gladly sacrifice the tiny firmware size and slightly faster boot for a warmly welcoming menu, not a clone of PS4's menu with the music and the other features stripped down.

There's also other questionable decisions that Nintendo made with the switch, such as hopping on the paid online bandwagon, but that's for another time.
 

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I just don't feel the same joy with the Switch as I did with the 3DS and Wii U.

Not only the system menu, but it's a cumbersome device which runs poorly optimized games (really, they should have gone for a 480p screen instead of 720p). A lot of games just don't feel as polished or made for the system like the previous generations.
 
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Okay, not really the games department (while we can still argue about the recent unfinished games), but I'm talking about the console department.

From the Wii all the way to the Wii U, Nintendo has been making consoles where the HOME menu was lively in some way. Okay, maybe except the DS. But the Wii had cool menu music, animated icons, and a TV-channel-like approach with calling apps "channels" & the static-like screens for empty slots. The DSi was a great upgrade from the DS, where the menu was redesigned to have box-like games and a cool little animation when opening new games as if you unpack a birthday gift. The 3DS embraced the DSi's menu and put a nice touch on it and added features like folders, or a theme shop to customize your menu and put more life to it. The Wii U came with WaraWara Plaza, which literally had life in it by putting Miis, having them walk around and pop up with random comments. True, this isn't used as much now that Miiverse is dead.

Then the Switch came out, and all those features were stripped completely. Menu music? Folders that aren't half-assed? THEMES? This all seems like foreign concepts to Nintendo, a corporation which's previous consoles had these features. It would be such a no-brainer to add a theme shop where you can earn money basically from selling images and music based on your games. We waited FIVE ENTIRE YEARS for firmware that, while finally adding at least FOLDERS, implemented them in the most half-assed way even possible. Who thought that it was a remotely good idea to put folders in a menu that only appears if you have more than X games, and to get folders in THAT menu, you have to press an extra button?

"but muh 200kB and faster boot times!"
Let's face it honestly. The 3DS had kinda slow boot times. Yet literally nobody bat an eye, because booting takes time for computers. We became used to the fact. Sure, if something doesn't boot in 3 minutes, maybe there IS a problem, but the 3DS' boot time was like what, 20 secs? And not to even mention Nintendo Badge Arcade which loaded its data for 5 minutes until you were even let in.

I would gladly sacrifice the tiny firmware size and slightly faster boot for a warmly welcoming menu, not a clone of PS4's menu with the music and the other features stripped down.

There's also other questionable decisions that Nintendo made with the switch, such as hopping on the paid online bandwagon, but that's for another time.
Wii U was raked over the coals for its insane boot-time. It eventually got quicker, but it took an uncomfortable amount of time and was pretty insane. My guess is they wanted to ensure boot times were quick and snappy

Could also be return-on-investment. They may have figured all their "oh that's so cool!" stuff didn't translate into more revenue, or enough good hype. No matter how much we liked these features, how often did they influence people's purchasing choices?

Reducing attack vectors. Nintendo consoles tend to be easier to hack than others, and one of the best ways to avoid this is to have not terrible security. Reducing the amount of ways the switch will read/execute data helps reduce ways they could screw up.

laziness. If it won't translate into more sales, either through excitement or good word, they're less likely to do it. With the current Nintendo president, that seems to be the prerogative.

there are other things, but all these decisions were decisions made because they didn't think x, y, or z would generate revenue or increase appeal. they may be horribly horribly horribly wrong, but they're being run by business folks. The death of Satoru Iwata changed a lot of things, and nintendo is even more "traditional" than they were before.
 
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It almost feels like they really were trying to make a 'home 3Ds' in the end and really forgot what made their home consoles a target for so many different demographics.

There is a lot still missing on the Switch from a UI/UX standpoint but you can't deny the fact that it's still does some amazing things in such a small device. And it has really created a new market that spawned things like the Steam Deck, Odyn, and Aya's of the world.
 

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They wised up and stopped bloating up the interface.
I would gladly sacrifice the tiny firmware size and slightly faster boot for a warmly welcoming menu, not a clone of PS4's menu with the music and the other features stripped down.
I think it is quite clear we disagree on this, slow boot time for a portable console is not acceptable.
 

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They wised up and stopped bloating up the interface.

I think it is quite clear we disagree on this, slow boot time for a portable console is not acceptable.
I just can't stand the fucking blandness on the thing. I don't give a shit if it "bOoTs fAsT". I couldn't also give a shit whether the boot time is 3 seconds or 5 seconds. I do however give a shit about how warm and welcoming an interface feels. The music on the nintendo eShop made me want to spend there more.
 

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I just can't stand the fucking blandness on the thing. I don't give a shit if it "bOoTs fAsT". I couldn't also give a shit whether the boot time is 3 seconds or 5 seconds. I do however give a shit about how warm and welcoming an interface feels. The music on the nintendo eShop made me want to spend there more.
I agree it could be less bland, and this could be done without sacrificing boot speed, and this would actually be good. But if it takes more than 10 seconds to boot I don't want it.
 

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I just can't stand the fucking blandness on the thing. I don't give a shit if it "bOoTs fAsT". I couldn't also give a shit whether the boot time is 3 seconds or 5 seconds. I do however give a shit about how warm and welcoming an interface feels. The music on the nintendo eShop made me want to spend there more.
stop using the device then and move on.
 

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Reducing attack vectors. Nintendo consoles tend to be easier to hack than others, and one of the best ways to avoid this is to have not terrible security. Reducing the amount of ways the switch will read/execute data helps reduce ways they could screw up.
While it is a pain in the ass for Nintendo to take 5 years to add basic features such as folders because "somebody, sometime, may figure out a way to install homebrew through these", I doubt that a simple thing such as adding home menu music would create a new exploit to install homebrew.
 

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