"It Depends": Trump on Violence regarding 2024 election

RedColoredStars · May 12, 2024

chrisrlink said:
the people who believe he in the second coming of christ is obviously mentally ill like very, and should seek mental health help right away

Not only those people, but anyone that thinks he is worthy of anything at all. I mean. C'mon. Hannibal Lecter was a wonderful man? And regardless of what he thinks of the character, it seems he does not even realize that Silence of the "Lamb" was not a true story. A person has to be dumber than cat turds to support that moron.

Dark_Ansem · May 12, 2024

Kazuma77 said:
You might want to recheck your facts. The FDA has been forced to retract their bogus claims recently and admit that it is an effective treatment. It has been prescribed to humans since 1987 for a wide variety of infestations. See for yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin

Even the Democrats, like Chris Cuomo, are doing an about face on the subject now that the truth is out:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v..._given_bad_information_early_on_in_covid.html

It looks like someone wanted to sell something more expensive, hurt the President's credibility, and kill thousands of people simultaneously. My bet is on Sorros (wouid not surprise me if he bankrolled the research in Wuhan and arranged that "leak" just in time for the 2020 election, either). Call me a conspiracy theorist, but, when the dice come up snake eyes several times in a row, one naturally starts to suspect that they are loaded.

Him talking hurts a barely existent credibility.

Also,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7685699/
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN21O2VG/

I did check my sources. Trump also promoted hydroxocloriquide (or whatever).

Whatever Cuomo does is meaningless for Long Covid.

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RedColoredStars said:
C'mon. Hannibal Lecter was a wonderful man?

Hannibal lecter would have dissected him with a Harpy since he had a massive disdain for rude uncouth people.

Kazuma77 · May 12, 2024

RedColoredStars said:
Not only those people, but anyone that thinks he is worthy of anything at all. I mean. C'mon. Hannibal Lecter was a wonderful man? And regardless of what he thinks of the character, it seems he does he even realize that Silence of the "Lamb" was not a true story. A person has to be dumber than cat turds to support that moron.

Wow. You know comedy is dead when people don't even know what a joke is anymore.

chrisrlink said:
the people who believe he in the second coming of christ is obviously mentally ill like very, and should seek mental health help right away

No one thinks THAT. But he is the best President we've had since Ronald Reagan. He didn't get us into a war, the economy was great, the borders were controlled, and we even had peace in the Middle East. Reagan couldn't even pull that off. Sure, he's a bit of an asshole, but, you kind-of have to be in that line of work. Have a look at where nice got McCain and Romney. If assholes could fly, D.C. wouldn't need an airport. The thing is, at least he's OUR asshole, not China's.

And no, I have no delusions that he can save the country. I just want to see it reach a nice even 200 years officially (even if it's already dead unofficially). If Biden "wins" (via ballot harvesting, Dominion applying a multiplier to their closed-source algorithm, etc.), that won't happen. The U.S. will be a memory within two months.

RedColoredStars · May 12, 2024

Kazuma77 said:
Wow. You know comedy is dead when people don't even know what a joke is anymore.

No one thinks THAT. But he is the best President we've had since Ronald Reagan. He didn't get us into a war, the economy was great, the borders were controlled, and we even had peace in the Middle East. Reagan couldn't even pull that off. Sure, he's a bit of an asshole, but, you kind-of have to be in that line of work. Have a look at where nice got McCain and Romney. If assholes could fly, D.C. wouldn't need an airport. The thing is, at least he's OUR asshole, not China's.

And no, I have no delusions that he can save the country. I just want to see it reach a nice even 200 years officially (even if it's already dead unofficially). If Biden "wins" (via ballot harvesting, Dominion applying a multiplier to their closed-source algorithm, etc.), that won't happen. The U.S. will be a memory within two months.

LMFAO! To you people everything completely fucking stupid Trump says is "He was just joking!" or "He didn't mean it like that!" HAHAHA! So we can also say the same when Biden says something you think is dumb? He was just joking? Or no? Yeah. Didn't think so.

You're one of the people both of us were referring to. But continue on.

Xzi · May 12, 2024

Kazuma77 said:
Wow. You know comedy is dead when people don't even know what a joke is anymore.

Nobody in the room was laughing. Or cheering, or making any noise whatsoever. Just dumbfounded silence.

Kazuma77 said:
The thing is, at least he's OUR asshole, not China's.

He's Russia's bitch, and Russia is China's bitch. Transitive property applies.

Kazuma77 · May 12, 2024

Xzi said:
Nobody in the room was laughing. Or cheering, or making any noise whatsoever. Just dumbfounded silence.

He's Russia's bitch, and Russia is China's bitch. Transitive property applies.

Watch the video again. People ARE chuckling.

RIght. That's why Russia invaded the Ukraine AFTER he was out of office. The whole Russiagate hoax has been debunked several times over at this point. I can't believe that there are people out there that still believe that nonsense.

RedColoredStars said:
LMFAO! To you people everything completely fucking stupid Trump says is "He was just joking!" or "He didn't mean it like that!" HAHAHA! So we can also say the same when Biden says something you think is dumb? He was just joking? Or no? Yeah. Didn't think so.

You're one of the people both of us were referring to. But continue on.

Joe Biden can't even put a complete sentence together. There's no comparison. When he just pauses suddenly mid-expression and can't even remember what he was about to say, that's not joking, it's the onset of advanced Altheimer's disease.

AdenTheThird · May 12, 2024

Kazuma77 said:
No one thinks THAT. But he is the best President we've had since Ronald Reagan. He didn't get us into a war, the economy was great, the borders were controlled, and we even had peace in the Middle East. Reagan couldn't even pull that off.

Good and bad Presidential runs are a matter of opinion, but Trump is largely considered by presidential analysts as being one of the worst Presidents in American history. I'll get the report if you'd like, but across the political spectrum his division and attacks on the integrity of American politics, elections, and the parties far outweigh any good he did as President. Also, saying that no President since Reagan pulled off what Trump did is almost certainly false.

Kazuma77 said:
Sure, he's a bit of an asshole, but, you kind-of have to be in that line of work.

Understatement of the century. Trump is infamous for direct, personal attacks on anyone who he perceives to be in his way--political rivals, political allies, former and current Presidents, businessmen, former employees, his former Vice President, jurors, judges, and court officials. And with a small army of aggressive followers willing to lay their lives for him, his threats create real consequences (January 6th being the best example, but far from the only one). His constant aggression spreads division and hatred across the board, both for himself and for the people he attacks. A good President should aim to unite and resolve, not divide and name-call. Trump is a businessman at heart, not a politician, and he plays politics like he does business without caring about any long-term consequences.

Kazuma77 said:
The thing is, at least he's OUR asshole, not China's.

I'm starting to become genuinely confused as to where you read your news. Trump has publicly and expressively praised dictatorships and autocracies, including Russia's Vladimir Putin and North Korea's Kim Jung Un. There was Russian political interference in 2016 to assist Trump's White House bid, which speaks to how important Trump (and Trump's values) is to Russia.
Besides this, Trump's goal right now is to get back into the power seat by any means necessary. The stakes couldn't be higher--he either becomes the most powerful entity in the country, gaining power and resources to carry out the rampant threats he's made to political opponents, or he likely goes to jail or faces other mountains of legal consequences. Transforming the United States into an autocracy a la Project 2025 is something Trump's alluded to in the past in order to remain in power. Trump is not a fan of democracy. He is a fan of dictatorship. He is a huge fan of political persecution. And he isn't afraid to say as much.

Kazuma77 said:
(via ballot harvesting, Dominion applying a multiplier to their closed-source algorithm, etc.)

This is delusional speculation that's been disproven hundreds of times over. Clearly, nothing will change your mind at this point, but keep in mind that it's very difficult to mutually respect someone who believes in completely baseless threads as a way to fit their own idealized narrative.

Kazuma77 said:
If Biden "wins" (via ballot harvesting, Dominion applying a multiplier to their closed-source algorithm, etc.), that won't happen. The U.S. will be a memory within two months.

And this is another sign of participation in baseless conspiracy. There's nothing that even remotely suggests that a Democratic victory this November will directly lead to the destruction of the country.

Thus far, all you've demonstrated is that you have no faith in U.S. elections, that Biden will single-handedly lead to the U.S.'s destruction, that you see Trump as a high-and-mighty President who's done more for the country than any President in decades, and that Trump is the victim of baseless political persecution. In a previous response, you also mistakenly referred to Trump's criminal trial as a lawsuit, called the charges against him "frivolous", and claimed that Nintendo was abusing the legal system for their own monopolistic gains.

Between these two posts, you have implicitly demonstrated a lack of fundamental understanding of legal proceedings, precedent and legal hierarchy, political prosecution, global economics, and (perhaps most notably) Mr. Trump himself. Everything in the last paragraph is either verifiably false or subjectively false and statistically improbable.

If you're going to debate, it would do you well to uncross your wires beforehand.

Dark_Ansem · May 12, 2024

Kazuma77 said:
But he is the best President we've had since Ronald Reagan. He didn't get us into a war, the economy was great, the borders were controlled, and we even had peace in the Middle East.

None of this was true, since he bombarded more in 4 years than Obama in 8 AND trumps betrayal of the kurdish fighters to Erdoğan resurrected the Islamic state and trump is a servant to putin.

Kazuma77 · May 12, 2024

AdenTheThird said:
Good and bad Presidential runs are a matter of opinion, but Trump is largely considered by presidential analysts as being one of the worst Presidents in American history. I'll get the report if you'd like, but across the political spectrum his division and attacks on the integrity of American politics, elections, and the parties far outweigh any good he did as President. Also, saying that no President since Reagan pulled off what Trump did is almost certainly false.

Understatement of the century. Trump is infamous for direct, personal attacks on anyone who he perceives to be in his way--political rivals, political allies, former and current Presidents, businessmen, former employees, his former Vice President, jurors, judges, and court officials. And with a small army of aggressive followers willing to lay their lives for him, his threats create real consequences (January 6th being the best example, but far from the only one). His constant aggression spreads division and hatred across the board, both for himself and for the people he attacks. A good President should aim to unite and resolve, not divide and name-call. Trump is a businessman at heart, not a politician, and he plays politics like he does business without caring about any long-term consequences.

I'm starting to become genuinely confused as to where you read your news. Trump has publicly and expressively praised dictatorships and autocracies, including Russia's Vladimir Putin and North Korea's Kim Jung Un. There was Russian political interference in 2016 to assist Trump's White House bid, which speaks to how important Trump (and Trump's values) is to Russia.
Besides this, Trump's goal right now is to get back into the power seat by any means necessary. The stakes couldn't be higher--he either becomes the most powerful entity in the country, gaining power and resources to carry out the rampant threats he's made to political opponents, or he likely goes to jail or faces other mountains of legal consequences. Transforming the United States into an autocracy a la Project 2025 is something Trump's alluded to in the past in order to remain in power. Trump is not a fan of democracy. He is a fan of dictatorship. He is a huge fan of political persecution. And he isn't afraid to say as much.

This is delusional speculation that's been disproven hundreds of times over. Clearly, nothing will change your mind at this point, but keep in mind that it's very difficult to mutually respect someone who believes in completely baseless threads as a way to fit their own idealized narrative.

And this is another sign of participation in baseless conspiracy. There's nothing that even remotely suggests that a Democratic victory this November will directly lead to the destruction of the country.

Thus far, all you've demonstrated is that you have no faith in U.S. elections, that Biden will single-handedly lead to the U.S.'s destruction, that you see Trump as a high-and-mighty President who's done more for the country than any President in decades, and that Trump is the victim of baseless political persecution. In a previous response, you also mistakenly referred to Trump's criminal trial as a lawsuit, called the charges against him "frivolous", and claimed that Nintendo was abusing the legal system for their own monopolistic gains.

Between these two posts, you have implicitly demonstrated a lack of fundamental understanding of legal proceedings, precedent and legal hierarchy, political prosecution, global economics, and (perhaps most notably) Mr. Trump himself. Everything in the last paragraph is either verifiably false or subjectively false and statistically improbable.

If you're going to debate, it would do you well to uncross your wires beforehand.

I'm not going to waste any more time on this. It is pointless. People will believe what they want to. Case in point, the poles didn't melt in 2013, yet people cling to the man-made climate change theory instead of embracing the solar-made climate change theory. As Metallica said it best "hearing only what you want to hear, and knowing only what you've heard".

Unless Dominion let you look at their counting algorithm, you can't prove they didn't add a multiplier. And there are enough voters that don't participate that they could easily get away with it and no one would know. As long as the count doesn't exceed the population (which of course they could check to make sure they don't go beyond 90% of the population or whatever), no one would ever know. But they stopped the count for the first time ever in 2020. They had never done that before. I can't prove that they altered their algorithm, but that sure gave them the time and opportunity. And a spokesperson from Dominion went on TV and assured people that there would be no runoff in Georgia. To me, that's almost as good as a confession. It's like admitting you're doing it and daring people to prove it, because you know they can't, because your algorithm is closed-source and no one can verify it's integrity. And why is it closed source if they have nothing to hide?

Also, being thrown out (because the judge would rather be on the golf course) and disproven are two different things. There were legitimate cases of ballot harvesting brought to the courts. And to be fair, the judges had probably seen this type of thing before, and it never amounted to much, so they just threw them out without even realizing how many of them there were this time.

The math doesn't add up, regardless. You don't pIck up 13 million votes by sitting in a basement. Especially when he didn't have the gender card to play like Hillary did, and probably lost a lot of votes for all that hair sniffing.

Trump isn't a fan of Democracy? Good, because that's just tyranny by majority. A democracy is an unstable form of government that only lasts until you elect a dictator. Whereas a republic is a solid form of government based on the rule of law. The very purpose of the Democrat party is to elect a dictator. It's their very namesake.

As for January 6th, that was actually staged by Chuck and Nancy. They were hiding in the basement before it even started. Watch the footage. I was somewhat disappointed, because they promised it would be violent, disturbing, and hard to watch. I was still waiting for them to get to that part when it ended. What I did see made it pretty clear it was staged though. There's barriers unguarded or guarded by a single officer. Of course they got overrun. And those doors didn't open by themselves. Nor were they knocked down. Someone opened them, most likely on Pelosi's command, precisely when it was announced that there was a Senator's signature on a vote challenge. January 6th was really about disrupting the lawful challenging of the votes, and misdirecting a bunch of mostly peaceful protesters into the building in order to do so. I especially have to laugh at the people calling it an attempt to overthrow the government. The only person who even brought a gun was the racist trigger-happy police officer that shot Ashley Babbitt. And yet they call it a violent act of sedition. Please, I've been to more "violent" Metallica concerts. ROFL. For every one person behaving inappropriately, there were 50 just walking around taking selfies.

And I never claimed to be a lawyer. My only experience is in traffic court, so, if I got some of the terms mixed up, so be it. You can understand what I'm getting at.

RedColoredStars · May 12, 2024

Kazuma77 said:
Watch the video again. People ARE chuckling.

Joe Biden can't even put a complete sentence together. There's no comparison. When he just pauses suddenly mid-expression and can't even remember what he was about to say, that's not joking, it's the onset of advanced Altheimer's disease.

Yeah, chuckling at how absurd what he's saying is. Joke? Go on and tell us all what the joke was supposed to be about. He congratulated and said what a wonderful man the late, great Hannibal Lecter is LOL! Where's the punch line? Explain.

Would you like to make a wager on who can find the most instances of Biden vs Trump saying some of the dumbest things known to man, stumbling on words, not making any sense whatsoever, etc? I'll literally wager everything I own, except my cat. What do you have up for grabs should you lose? And you would most certainly lose. Bigly.

Legit examples must be provided. As in video of Biden actually doing this things. Same rule applies for myself with examples of Trump. You go first. I'll wait.... GO!!!!

AdenTheThird · May 12, 2024

Kazuma77 said:
I'm not going to waste any more time on this. It is pointless. People will believe what they want to. Case in point, the poles didn't melt in 2013, yet people cling to the man-made climate change theory instead of embracing the solar-made climate change theory. As Metallica said it best "hearing only what you want to hear, and knowing only what you've heard".

Unless Dominion let you look at their counting algorithm, you can't prove they didn't add a multiplier. And there are enough voters that don't participate that they could easily get away with it and no one would know. As long as the count doesn't exceed the population (which of course they could check to make sure they don't go beyond 90% of the population or whatever), no one would ever know. But they stopped the count for the first time ever in 2020. They had never done that before. I can't prove that they altered their algorithm, but that sure gave them the time and opportunity. And a spokesperson from Dominion went on TV and assured people that there would be no runoff in Georgia. To me, that's almost as good as a confession. It's like admitting you're doing it and daring people to prove it, because you know they can't, because your algorithm is closed-source and no one can verify it's integrity. And why is it closed source if they have nothing to hide?

Also, being thrown out (because the judge would rather be on the golf course) and disproven are two different things. There were legitimate cases of ballot harvesting brought to the courts. And to be fair, the judges had probably seen this type of thing before, and it never amounted to much, so they just threw them out without even realizing how many of them there were this time.

The math doesn't add up, regardless. You don't pIck up 13 million votes by sitting in a basement. Especially when he didn't have the gender card to play like Hillary did, and probably lost a lot of votes for all that hair sniffing.

Trump isn't a fan of Democracy? Good, because that's just tyranny by majority. A democracy is an unstable form of government that only lasts until you elect a dictator. Whereas a republic is a solid form of government based on the rule of law. The very purpose of the Democrat party is to elect a dictator. It's their very namesake.

As for January 6th, that was actually staged by Chuck and Nancy. They were hiding in the basement before it even started. Watch the footage. I was somewhat disappointed, because they promised it would be violent, disturbing, and hard to watch. I was still waiting for them to get to that part when it ended. What I did see made it pretty clear it was staged though. There's barriers unguarded or guarded by a single officer. Of course they got overrun. And those doors didn't open by themselves. Nor were they knocked down. Someone opened them, most likely on Pelosi's command, precisely when it was announced that there was a Senator's signature on a vote challenge. January 6th was really about disrupting the lawful challenging of the votes, and misdirecting a bunch of mostly peaceful protesters into the building in order to do so. I especially have to laugh at the people calling it an attempt to overthrow the government. The only person who even brought a gun was the racist trigger-happy police officer that shot Ashley Babbitt. And yet they call it a violent act of sedition. Please, I've been to more "violent" Metallica concerts. ROFL. For every one person behaving inappropriately, there were 50 just walking around taking selfies.

And I never claimed to be a lawyer. My only experience is in traffic court, so, if I got some of the terms mixed up, so be it. You can understand what I'm getting at.

I have to leave for an appointment in a few so I can't break this down a whole lot. Sorry.
You have some valid talking points but the biggest issue with your logic as a whole is that you make far too many assumptions. Just because something can't be proven doesn't mean the opposite is automatically true. It's the same kind of frustrating logic that, say, Christian apologists use to justify God creating the universe. "You can't prove the Big Bang happened" or "You don't know what happened before the Big Bang", therefore that means that God did it. That kind of thing.
This is an exaggerated example but the underlying principle is the same. Forming a complete picture using only a few pieces can lead to an extremely distorted image over time. I don't think you have malicious intent in this regard, but I see a lot of jumping to conclusions in your posts which is why I'm pointing this out.
My comment about Trump not supporting democracy wasn't meant as a pro/con between a dictatorship and democracy. It was highlighting that the U.S. was founded to be a democracy, and disrupting that causes a lot of ripples and problems since it's essentially uprooting the country's foundational basis. I wasn't trying to say a democracy is objectively better than a dictatorship or vice versa, although that admittedly would be an interesting talking point.

Kazuma77 · May 12, 2024

RedColoredStars said:
Would you like to make a wager on who can find the most instances of Biden vs Trump saying some of the dumbest things known to man, stumbling on words, not making any sense whatsoever, etc? I'll literally wager everything I own, except my cat. What do you have up for grabs should you lose? And you would most certainly lose. Bigly.

Legit examples must be provided. As in video of Biden actually doing this things. Same rule applies for myself with examples of Trump. You go first. I'll wait.... GO!!!!

Not going to waste my time. I've got far better things to do today. I don't go around collecting every clip I can find, either. I'm not happy about Biden having advanced Altheimer's. I'm not celebrating his mental deterioration. I would not wish Altheimer's on anyone. My grandmother had it. It's a horrible disease. Turning it into a pissing contest just seems distasteful. But having watched a lot of the speeches of both, I've seen Biden screw up FAR more often. Occasionally Trump will slip up, misdeliver a punch line, or whatever, but nothing major that suggests severe mental deterioration, whereas there is plenty to suggest that Biden is the Manchurian Candidate at this point.

RedColoredStars · May 12, 2024

Kazuma77 said:
Not going to waste my time. I've got far better things to do today. I don't go around collecting every clip I can find, either. I'm not happy about Biden having advanced Altheimer's. I'm not celebrating his mental deterioration. I would not wish Altheimer's on anyone. My grandmother had it. It's a horrible disease. Turning it into a pissing contest just seems distasteful. But having watched a lot of the speeches of both, I've seen Biden screw up FAR more often. Occasionally Trump will slip up, misdeliver a punch line, or whatever, but it's nothing to suggest mental deterioration, whereas there is plenty to suggest that Biden is the Manchurian Candidate at this point.

LMFAO! How did I guess exactly what your response was going to be? Trumps mental state is many times worse than Bidens, by a long shot. I am willing to debate that with you and provide evidence of my own claims. You however, backed out the moment I suggested we both provide actual proof. Typical deplorable coward can't back up your bullshit claims. Either provide credible evidence that Biden is worse than Trump, or seriously, stfu. Say you don't have the time and have better things to do, but you've been spending plenty here running your mouth. Liar. It's not that you don't want to, it's because you know you can't win the debate. Just like coward Trump.

Xzi · May 12, 2024

Kazuma77 said:
The whole Russiagate hoax has been debunked several times over at this point.

Just saying it's been debunked doesn't make it so. All the evidence runs to the contrary, and Trump has never once come anywhere close to saying something critical about the man who very clearly holds his leash.

Kazuma77 · May 12, 2024

AdenTheThird said:
I have to leave for an appointment in a few so I can't break this down a whole lot. Sorry.
You have some valid talking points but the biggest issue with your logic as a whole is that you make far too many assumptions. Just because something can't be proven doesn't mean the opposite is automatically true. It's the same kind of frustrating logic that, say, Christian apologists use to justify God creating the universe. "You can't prove the Big Bang happened" or "You don't know what happened before the Big Bang", therefore that means that God did it. That kind of thing.
This is an exaggerated example but the underlying principle is the same. Forming a complete picture using only a few pieces can lead to an extremely distorted image over time. I don't think you have malicious intent in this regard, but I see a lot of jumping to conclusions in your posts which is why I'm pointing this out.
My comment about Trump not supporting democracy wasn't meant as a pro/con between a dictatorship and democracy. It was highlighting that the U.S. was founded to be a democracy, and disrupting that causes a lot of ripples and problems since it's essentially uprooting the country's foundational basis. I wasn't trying to say a democracy is objectively better than a dictatorship or vice versa, although that admittedly would be an interesting talking point.

Well, I'm not claiming that things like a closed algorithm are proof, but they sure create a reasonable amount of doubt. What are they hiding? I can't prove that any wrong was done. Still, we should demand that the software be open-source going forward to eliminate the potential for misuse and catch unintentional mistakes all the same.

The math still does not add up though. How could he possibly get 13 million more votes than Hillary sitting in his basement? Especially when he lost a lot of Hillary voters because he wasn't a woman and couldn't stop sniffing their hair?

The January 6th video, on the other hand, more or less proves that it was a peaceful protest that got out of hand, not a malicious attempt to overthrow the government, and that not enough security personnel were deployed to keep said peace (seemingly deliberately).

A dictatorship and democracy are fairly synonymous. The latter merely chooses it's dictator via popular vote. A far more interesting comparison would be democracy/tyranny vs republic (which is what the US was actually founded as, not a democracy, I know my history).

RedColoredStars said:
LMFAO! How did I guess exactly what your response was going to be? Trumps mental state is many times worse than Bidens, by a long shot. I am willing to debate that with you and provide evidence of my own claims. You however, backed out the moment I suggested we both provide actual proof. Typical deplorable coward can't back up your bullshit claims. Either provide credible evidence that Biden is worse than Trump, or seriously, stfu. Say you don't have the time and have better things to do, but you've been spending plenty here running your mouth. Liar. It's not that you don't want to, it's because you know you can't win the debate. Just like coward Trump.

I never said I had no evidence. I can go to any conservative news source and/or Youtube and find plenty. But is this really going to change anyone's mind? Probably not. I enjoy a good debate, but a contest just to see who can post the most clips is not that. Besides, who's going to judge it? You? You can't even tell when he's making a joke. You probably think that clip you posted is proof Trump has Altheimer's. It's not, it's just proof that he didn't have as much time to rehearse his routine as the late night talk show hosts. Trump bombing/dadding a joke, and Joe Biden abruptly stopping mid-sentence and staring off into space with a confused look on his face are entirely different things. You don't seem to be able to tell the difference though. We would both declare victory due to our differences in perception, and nothing would be settled. You hate Trump, so you're going to pick at things that don't bother me. And while my hatred of Biden is mostly due to his criminal actions and bad pollcies, and far less personal in nature, I would probably be unable to remain completely objective either.

Dark_Ansem · May 12, 2024

Kazuma77 said:
never said I had no evidence. I can go to any conservative news source and/or Youtube and find plenty.

No, you find 0 evidence. You find speculation and misdirection and deliberate lies out of context. And opinions.

Evidence is a different beast.

RedColoredStars · May 12, 2024

Kazuma77 said:
Well, I'm not claiming that things like a closed algorithm are proof, but they sure create a reasonable amount of doubt. What are they hiding? I can't prove that any wrong was done. Still, we should demand that the software be open-source going forward to eliminate the potential for misuse and catch unintentional mistakes all the same.

The math still does not add up though. How could he possibly get 13 million more votes than Hillary sitting in his basement? Especially when he lost a lot of Hillary voters because he wasn't a woman and couldn't stop sniffing their hair?

The January 6th video, on the other hand, more or less proves that it was a peaceful protest that got out of hand, not a malicious attempt to overthrow the government, and that not enough security personnel were deployed to keep said peace (seemingly deliberately).

A dictatorship and democracy are fairly synonymous. The latter merely chooses it's dictator via popular vote. A far more interesting comparison would be democracy/tyranny vs republic (which is what the US was actually founded as, not a democracy, I know my history).

I never said I had no evidence. I can go to any conservative news source and/or Youtube and find plenty. But is this really going to change anyone's mind? Probably not. I enjoy a good debate, but a contest just to see who can post the most clips is not that. Besides, who's going to judge it? You? You can't even tell when he's making a joke. You probably think that clip you posted is proof Trump has Altheimer's. It's not, it's just proof that he didn't have as much time to rehearse his routine as the late night talk show hosts. Trump bombing/dadding a joke, and Joe Biden abruptly stopping mid-sentence and staring off into space with a confused look on his face are entirely different things. You don't seem to be able to tell the difference though. We would both declare victory due to our differences in perception, and nothing would be settled. You hate Trump, so you're going to pick at things that don't bother me. And while my hatred of Biden is mostly due to his criminal actions and bad pollcies, and far less personal in nature, I would probably be unable to remain completely objective either.

It's not just about posting clips. It's providing evidence of your claims. And what you're saying is that you have nothing but maybe a handful of isolated incidents. First it was you don't have the time, but here you are, taking all the time you need. You're a coward. Like I said, prove your claims or stfu. I can prove without a reasonable doubt that Trump is far more mentally unstable. Still waiting for you to prove otherwise. C'mon. Coward. Typical hot air deplorable.

You still haven't told us what the Hannibal joke was all about either. Seems you're the only one who understands wtf he's even trying to joke about. No one else. So out with it. But you won't. Why? Because you know you're full of shit. You absolutely refuse to back up any claims of Biden being in a worse mental state than Trump, and you can't explain the "joke". Gotcha. LMAO!

Kazuma77 · May 12, 2024

RedColoredStars said:
It's not just about posting clips. It's providing evidence of your claims. And what you're saying is that you have nothing but maybe a handful of isolated incidents. First it was you don't have the time, but here you are, taking all the time you need. You're a coward. Like I said, prove your claims or stfu. I can prove without a reasonable doubt that Trump is far more mentally unstable. Still waiting for you to prove otherwise. C'mon. Coward. Typical hot air deplorable.

You still haven't told us what the Hannibal joke was all about either. Seems you're the only one who understands wtf he's even trying to joke about. No one else. So out with it. But you won't. Why? Because you know you're full of shit. You absolutely refuse to back up any claims of Biden being in a worse mental state than Trump, and you can't explain the "joke". Gotcha. LMAO!

How does this have you so confused? It's fairly simple. Obviously it was pulled out of context as usual, but, apparently he was giving a speech in the town Hannibal was born in. You know how they always have these little signs saying "Welcome to Bleh, birthplace of Blah" or whatever. They probably have one that says "birthplace of Hannibal Lector" or something. So he decided to jokingly congratulate the town regarding this rather dubious honor. There you go. Was that so hard?

Apparently your source is so shady that they thought that if they pulled the part leading into it out, they could fool people into thinking he was congratulating a dead serial killer or something. But anyone who watches his speeches regularly knows that Trump likes to congratulate the places he visits for what they're known for. If he was in L.A. he might say "Home of Ozzy Osbourne (oh wait, that's right, Ozzy had to leave because the crime there has become so bad under Biden), and the Golden Gate Bridge, congratulations." Obviously he's not congratulating the bridge. And obviously he's not congratulating a dead serial killer. That wouldn't even make any sense. But the people you got that clip from are clearly acting like a bunch of five-year-olds and cutting it to make it look like he is, and expecting it to fool anyone with half a brain. Pathetic.

If all you've got to show are hack jobs, then there's no need for a contest. Consider yourself disqualified. I don't have to use clips that are edited or taken out of context to make Biden look bad.

Xzi · May 13, 2024

It's loose association, another symptom of Trump's worsening dementia along with his inability to pronounce three-syllable words and his forward-leaning stance. He'll be a drooling potato like Reagan was within a year or two, but naturally Republicans are fine with that so long as corporations are free to trample all over the rest of us.

RedColoredStars · May 13, 2024

Kazuma77 said:
How does this have you so confused? It's fairly simple. Obviously it was pulled out of context as usual, but, apparently he was giving a speech in the town Hannibal was born in. You know how they always have these little signs saying "Welcome to Bleh, birthplace of Blah" or whatever. They probably have one that says "birthplace of Hannibal Lector" or something. So he decided to jokingly congratulate the town regarding this rather dubious honor. There you go. Was that so hard?

Apparently your source is so shady that they thought that if they pulled the part leading into it out, they could fool people into thinking he was congratulating a dead serial killer or something. But anyone who watches his speeches regularly knows that Trump likes to congratulate the places he visits for what they're known for. If he was in L.A. he might say "Home of Ozzy Osbourne (oh wait, that's right, Ozzy had to leave because the crime there has become so bad under Biden), and the Golden Gate Bridge, congratulations." Obviously he's not congratulating the bridge. And obviously he's not congratulating a dead serial killer. That wouldn't even make any sense. But the people you got that clip from are clearly acting like a bunch of five-year-olds and cutting it to make it look like he is, and expecting it to fool anyone with half a brain. Pathetic.

If all you've got to show are hack jobs, then there's no need for a contest. Consider yourself disqualified. I don't have to use clips that are edited or taken out of context to make Biden look bad.

What in the holy fuck are you taking about? Thanks for proving how incredibly stupid the things you say and believe are. Hack jobs? They were videos of Trump himself talking about Hannibal Lecter and Jimmy Connors. LMAO! How are videos of Trump himself speaking a hack job? There is no contest, but your coward ass self still refuses to provide evidence of your claims. Just like your coward leader. Won't take the stand and make his case because he knows he'll be found guilty. Same applies to you. You refuse and make excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse so you won't be proven wrong.

You want to talk about MY sources? The character of Hannibal Lecter was born in Lithuania. My God, what a complete failure of a post you made. Again. Now you're just making a complete embarrassment out of yourself.

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