Believe Accusers!

[chrisrlink]

problem is they don't care it's a red congress the only hope we have is to flip the congress to blue and i fear trump is looking into "options" to remain in power for life and i bet republicans will be on board destroying our countries ideals to the core.... welcome to the USSA (united solviet states of America) comrade who needs russia to invade anyways?

 

[Viri]

i fear trump is looking into "options" to remain in power for life

Ahahahaha! You know, it's funny how the right thought the same about Obama! Obama was going to cancel the 2016 election, and declare martial law.

Also, for those who want a nice laugh.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/05/politics/melania-trump-pith-helmet-africa/index.html

 

[TyDye]

People who are accusing other people must be listened to! By dismissing their accusations we are saying it is OK what they are doing, and that must not be allowed! Even if there is no proof, it is to be expected of something like this when the abused and the accusers have kept it to themselves in order to prevent being embarrassed. How in this country have we moved to a point where we do not listen to people who have experienced such traumatic things because there is no proof. Shouldn't their mental state be proof enough of the horrible things they have experienced? We should listen to them with pure intent!

Do you know what I just described?
The Salem witch trials.

Never in American history has this much mass hysteria been present since the Salem witch trials, in which many people were tried for "witchcraft" using only the accuser's state of mind as evidence. They would be presenting their argument and pretend to be distracted by invisible blue butterflies (obviously not everyone did this). Over 20 people in the colonial time of America were executed (hanged, drowned, pressed) because of these silly arguments.

While obviously those who claim rape should not be disregarded because these things do happen. I am not stating that rape or sexual abuse doesn't happen. That is the only difference between the Salem witch trials and what is happening now.

I will stand beside any rape victim and call for even death if there is evidence. We have reverted as a society, we have turned around. At what point did our judicial system decide it was OK to listen to accusers with no proof except for that which is in their head?

In the case of Kavanaugh, for instance, I am not saying that Kavanaugh is guilty. I am not saying that Kavanaugh is innocent. What I am saying is that we should not even be having the debate in the first place. This debate is pointless. It is only a "he said" or "she said". You can show all the evidence you want of things that have been written or things that have been said, but if you cannot show evidence of the alleged crime, then what evidence is there that makes a difference.

I am almost 100% certain that if a straight, white, christian male were to make these accusations (regardless of whether or not they were true) they would be dismissed in a heart beat.

The Salem witch trials were a series of over 200 trials, where nineteen of the accused were found guilt. 14 of which where killed by hanging, 1 of which being pressed to death while refusing to admit he was a witch. Others were drowned, because they were assumed to be witches who could swim for an eternity (and died because of exhaustion).

In the modern times, we are no longer killing people physically, but rather killing them socially, emotionally, politically. We aren't even burning the bridges for these people, but we are burning the materials used to build bridges. We have no idea what happened, and all we can go off of are two (maybe a few more) people making claims and accusations.

We have regressed beyond recovery.

Thanks to that post I just lost 100 brain cells and now im going to take a IQ test and show it to law enforcement and put you in jail because it sure was a traumatic experience

 

[chrisrlink]

any cheap first world country to immagrate to i had enough of this BS...

 

[Hanafuda]

So yeah, seems like they have the votes to confirm this jackass. FBI investigation was a limited sham according to several different sources, the Bar Association is re-opening their evaluation into his rating, and we know of at least a few instances of evidenced perjury in front of the senate, but he's gonna get confirmed anyway. So much for any shred of legitimacy remaining in rule of law.

There was no credible, corroborated accusation.
Accuser could not place alleged offense by date or location. Significant holes in timeline, facts were changed in response to scrutiny.
The witnesses named by both accusers (Ford, Ramirez) all said they knew nothing of the events accuser described.
The Democrats played dirty pool in their presentation of these accusations, by holding them back until after the confirmation hearings had concluded, to effectuate delay.
Accusers' confirmed acquaintances/ex-S.O.'s presented sworn statements refuting their stories, and raising perjury questions
Democrats & Flake specifically asked for an FBI investigation of limited scope and not more than 1 week, then complained when they got it
FBI investigation requested by Democrats uncovered witness tampering, by Democrats

"Rule of law" means equal protection, due process, and a presumption of innocence. The perverted standard being pushed by the Democrats and #metoo is for the opposite. You call Kavanaugh a jackass in your post above because you assumed his guilt before any proof. Then when the masses start getting wind of the bullshit in the air, you condemn Kavanaugh for his demeanor under the torture of false accusation wrongly imposed. This is really despicable, shameful, dishonest behavior. Everyone knows and can see it, just the dyed-in-the-wool liberals don't care.

Ford's and Ramirez' accusations were given more than fair credence considering the incidents they allege occurred almost 40 years ago. Sexual assault and rape are crimes. Those proven to have committed these crimes must be punished, as any criminal. But sexual assault and rape do not get special exceptions from the Constitutional rights afforded to all of us of a presumption of innocence until proven guilty, due process of law, and equal protection under the law.

Don't bother pointing out that this was a job interview, not a criminal trial. Because it was neither. It was the Inquisition, the oldest play in the Democrat Party handbook.

 

[JiveTheTurkey]

problem is they don't care it's a red congress the only hope we have is to flip the congress to blue and i fear trump is looking into "options" to remain in power for life and i bet republicans will be on board destroying our countries ideals to the core.... welcome to the USSA (united solviet states of America) comrade who needs russia to invade anyways?

Americans hated socialism so much they voted FDR in 4 terms.

 

[chrisrlink]

and now they LOVE it thats why I want the hell out and let this ship sink without me

 

[JiveTheTurkey]

and now they LOVE it thats why I want the hell out and let this ship sink without me

What?! Love? Aside from a trend in believing socialism is the answer to all problems I have a hard time seeing this.

 

[dAVID_]

Believe accusers!

Spoiler

holy shit their faces look so artificial

 

[Hanafuda]

Americans hated socialism so much they voted FDR in 4 terms.

At least FDR made you work for your welfare (see, e.g WPA)

 

[Viri]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ould-follow-heres-how/?utm_term=.f6d5d6d9c7d1

Well, I guess they're already moving onto talking about how to impeach him. I'm sure he'll be impeached at the same time Trump is.

 

[JiveTheTurkey]

At least FDR made you work for your welfare (see, e.g WPA)

I wish this were true today, when I was on welfare I couldn't work a good job without losing my foodstamps (thus spending the extra earnings on food). It was only until I got a good job that I embraced the fact that we were going to lose welfare and have to start buying food with money and honestly it was hard at first. It felt like a huge loss for a small gain because I didn't know how to manage money and would end up with scarce food but after a while we started doing better. I haven't looked back to welfare and I hope to do good to remain that way. I'm grateful for welfare but I hate how the system is operating.

 

[kingfrost]

Her party literally removed government regulation of the internet with net neutrality

I'm hoping that you're literally intentionally misunderstanding what I've said. There's a difference between regulating social media and search engines, which her party supports, and net neutrality, which is literally about access.

Trump and the Republican party wanted to lessen business regulation on the telecoms and increase it on how the companies actually indexing and bring you data. It's not a hard to understand distinction.

Of course, looking at the comments here that have little do with Supreme Court nominations like a rant about welfare and the boogymen of Kavanaugh being impeached, it's not hard to see whose interest it is in to misled people.

There should be no winning in politics, because it should be about making it better for all American citizens.

 

[JiveTheTurkey]

Of course, looking at the comments here that have little do with Supreme Court nominations like a rant about welfare

Sorry

 

[kingfrost]

Sorry

Sorry for what? All this has done is the open the door for this to be the new political discourse.

As Judge Kavanaugh put it, what goes around will come around.

 

[JiveTheTurkey]

Sorry for what? All this has done is the open the door for this to be the new political discourse.

As Judge Kavanaugh put it, what goes around will come around.

I tend to talk about irrelevant stuff

 

[Hanafuda]

Ways of Knowing If Everyone Sees Through Your Bullshit Now

1. The Onion starts mocking you

https://politics.theonion.com/senator-feinstein-wondering-if-now-a-good-time-to-discl-1829555909

 

[kingfrost]

Ways of Knowing If Everyone Sees Through Your Bullshit Now

1. The Onion starts mocking you

https://politics.theonion.com/senator-feinstein-wondering-if-now-a-good-time-to-discl-1829555909

The onion also has this article blasting Kavanaugh. They aren't partisan as much as you seem to want them to be.

https://politics.theonion.com/kavanaugh-blasted-for-destroying-reputation-of-good-man-1829554513

Even better

https://www.theonion.com/nation-urged-to-be-extra-sensitive-to-men-reliving-trau-1829447828

 

[Hanafuda]

The onion also has this article blasting Kavanaugh. They aren't partisan as much as you seem to want them to be.

https://politics.theonion.com/kavanaugh-blasted-for-destroying-reputation-of-good-man-1829554513

Even better

https://www.theonion.com/nation-urged-to-be-extra-sensitive-to-men-reliving-trau-1829447828

Oh, I think The Onion is a nonpartisan source of satire, as it should be. Sometimes their style of humor is the best way to really put the spotlight on the truth of a matter. But just because they ran a few jokes about Kavanaugh doesn't change that they're showing just how obvious Feinstein and the Democrats are with their 'strategy.'

The thing is with Kavanaugh -- he's a privileged, elitist, smarmy, self-important twerp who is most likely obtuse to the realities of existence the lower classes share. The same can be said for practically every Supreme Court justice ever, every US Senator ever. You'll never hear me disputing that. I probably couldn't stand to be in the same room with the guy for 15 minutes. But tell me he got the same treatment as Kagan, or Sotomayor, or Ginsberg did, and I'll laugh.

 

[kingfrost]

Oh, I think The Onion is a nonpartisan source of satire, as it should be. Sometimes their style of humor is the best way to really put the spotlight on the truth of a matter. But just because they ran a few jokes about Kavanaugh doesn't change that they're showing just how obvious Feinstein and the Democrats are with their 'strategy.'

Political satire is first and foremost a vehicle for humor. They ran several jokes about Kavanaugh and how he ruined his own reputation and how dare we not give a man what he wants right now which are also good points.

I don't agree with how Feinstein did this, shocking I know. However, in current politics we've entered a state where everything is zero sum. Why we've entered that state is no doubt a topic for massive debate.

I agree satire makes good points about both sides. Both sides are full of it, as the satire shows. We live in a post truth world now, this is the new political environment. There are examples everywhere. If we had a competent government, perhaps it could be made better somehow or trust restored but apparently the majority of Americans wants a bloody war instead.

To pretend like either side has the moral high ground is to deny reality. It's a bad sign when moderation becomes the new radical.