Is this the best time for buying a retro system?

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Being a huge fan of the 8/16bit era since I got my SNES back in 2003 I always get an old console and play recent videogames on PC. But with the retro gaming boom 2 sides of the coin appeared, it's much more expensive to get an old console now than some years ago but also it's easier to find old rare videogames nowadays. The point is, what makes the market a friendly place to buy old consoles and in your opinion what is the best console to start with?
I personally think the Xbox is a good start point with its emulators and exclusives, but I'd like to see your opinion
 

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No. The best time was 15-20 years ago. Massive availability, nobody wanted anything (I mean the PS1 has 3d, what would I want old 2d stuff for? You mean you want my C64 games.) so it cost you next to nothing, peripherals maybe still available in shops. There are not many what you might call rare games in PAL country, assuming you play games for fun and not to collect some film tie in that only got a run of 1000, but even then specialist services would exist (read all those national chains would have something to consult and could find you something, not to mention what was rare and what was not had not really copied the comics/sports card world at this point).

Best thing to start with. Emulation all the way, spring for a decent controller (360 one will do in a pinch) but play what you like playing. If you have the hardware in front of you then by all means play it but I will not suggest anybody goes out and invests properly. If you at all like the 8-16 bit era styles and aesthetics then absolutely do not skip the Amiga.
I also suggest getting in after a console has ended or is considered dead by the general game playing masses -- I got a spectacular gamecube collection after it became apparent it had failed, similar story for the N64. I also did it for the 360 as it drew to an end, now I am seeing the prices of 360 games creep back up (don't know if it is because they are now "retro", because people realise there are some seriously quality games in there, or because the xbone has some more backwards compatibility).
 

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+1 for no.

As someone who's been actively buying old consoles for my collection recently, they've sprung waaaaay up in price ever since Nintendo got the idea of selling their "classic" consoles. Once they decided to harden the nostalgia boners of old people and hipster kids, the actual consoles themselves started shooting way up in price when people realized there's a bigger market than they thought for the stuff.

For example, a few years ago I could've (and did, actually) bought a nice condition SNES with two controllers and 5 or 6 decent games (aka not sports shovelware) for like $50 total. Nowadays, just a decent looking SNES alone is going to cost you that, not counting extra controllers or games, which are both quite expensive as well these days. Cheaper ones exist, but they're usually super yellowed and disgusting looking so it's gonna need a nice Retrobright run before it'll look nice again.

On an unrelated note, I feel goddamn old with your implication that the OG XBOX is a "retro" system :sad:. But it might be a good place to start though, because those are still incredibly cheap these days and as you mentioned, have tons of emulators and such for them and is very easily soft modded. The Wii is another console that has a ton of emulators, is incredibly cheap, and is easily soft modded, so you could also grab one of those if you're not totally intent on playing on actual hardware.
 
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On an unrelated note, I feel goddamn old with your implication that the OG XBOX is a "retro" system :sad:. But it might be a good place to start though, because those are still incredibly cheap these days and as you mentioned, have tons of emulators and such for them and is very easily soft modded. The Wii is another console that has a ton of emulators, is incredibly cheap, and is easily soft modded, so you could also grab one of those if you're not totally intent on playing on actual hardware.
Indeed the Xbox is not that old, I caught myself thinking about what is retro some days ago and 2 gens ago doesn't seem old but if you consider that people born when the Xbox released r already driving I start thinking it is actually kinda old, the same way I thought NES was old when had my SNES. And yeah, the wii is pretty awesome for emulation, I have a wii u and I feel it is more a emulation machine than a console itself(and that's the only new console I have)
 
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Adding on to all of this, I've been watching a few videos from this YouTuber who goes by the name Top Hat Gaming Man, and I find his philosophy towards purchasing games to be really interesting; basically, wait until the next generation of consoles gets released, then buy up everything from the previous generation. An unreasonable amount of people sell their consoles and game collections just to play on the newest platforms, resulting in games of the previous generation getting sold for dirt cheap. Truth be told, I walked into a GameStop one day and found Xbox 360 games going for no more than $5 each, though what @FAST6191 said above about rising XB360 prices worries me a bit.

Just don't wait too long; once everyone develops feelings of nostalgia for that generation of consoles, the prices for the games and systems will shoot back up to astronomical heights. I'm already beginning to see this with GameCube, Xbox and PS2 (especially the GameCube).

If you just want to play the games, don't care for having physical copies, and aren't too worried about legal implications (which, honestly, as long as you're not yelling about it to everyone, and even then, it's rare that you'll find someone who actually bothers to report you), go for emulation. Emulators are getting better all the time, and with emulators like CXBX-R, RPCS3, Citra, and CEMU gaining traction, you're better served getting a PC with a decent CPU and emulating everything.
 

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You can still put together a nice 360 collection, however where a year or so into the PS4/xbone you could have dropped about the price of a new game or two and got a solid library then today you might want to space that out a bit and get a game or two every few weeks/months. I am not sure whether it is some kind of nostalgia, backwards compatibility, realisation (while there is some utter junk on the 360, especially from the early years, a lot of it has aged incredibly well for conventional 3d graphics) and a small dose of the PS4/xbone libraries being all style and no substance.

That said while it is nothing like trying to put together a 16 bit collection now (or actually a PS1 one for that matter) I have noticed things creeping up. It is however many years on this and second hand shops are still displaying them proudly which says most of what you probably need to know. On the flip side car boot sales and similar such things do very well for me.

"I'm already beginning to see this with GameCube"
Around here that happened about 5 minutes after the Wii became a hit and nobody had any games to play on it. I had a GC, was doing fine for building a collection as previously covered, and then all of a sudden the supply of things evaporated and that was the end of that.
 

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Well you probably always want geniune hardware unless you satisfied with stuff like all the replica consoles, Retron 5 or that Analogue - Super Nt. I mean I would be but I think if you want a retro gaming console, buy a genuine one. I use emulators cause it simple and widely accessible on modern things and HD.

Though these replica systems seem a bit on the expensive side in my opinion, nearing the cost of a current gen console for some with the sole purpose to heavily mimic accuracy the original had, but using new features is like having a emulator box makes it cool.

But most people want to be comfy owning a collection of official games with their official console, or buying a Everdrive flash cart to play on their comfy 360P CRT tv which is cool cause is nostalgic. :)
 

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I just shop around, if it's interesting and a decent price I snap it up. I have games and controllers for systems I don't own but hey someday :)

The whole retro crazy is funny to me, because a LOT of my old systems like 2600, 5200, Odysee, Ti99 4/A, Vic 20 and many more I got literally free and they all came with decent collections of games that I added too for next to nothing... Some carts I got for a quarter lol People literally didn't want the stuff. Now I could probably sell all of it for a small fortune. Not that I would, they are all fun and I love them even if they are old and out dated :)

One great way to save money is waiting a gen out though, with the added bonus of you can pick the console you like and the library holds no surprises. The down side is this will make some games hard to get if they didn't print enough copies.

Another options is to pick up failed consoles on clearance, I have bought a few like this and got them extremely cheap. My Virtual Boy and all the games was a clearance madness special, same for my Turbo (I no long own it sadly) and I also got a LOT of Dreamcast stuff for dirty dirty dirt cheap :)
 

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+1 for no.

As someone who's been actively buying old consoles for my collection recently, they've sprung waaaaay up in price ever since Nintendo got the idea of selling their "classic" consoles. Once they decided to harden the nostalgia boners of old people and hipster kids, the actual consoles themselves started shooting way up in price when people realized there's a bigger market than they thought for the stuff.

For example, a few years ago I could've (and did, actually) bought a nice condition SNES with two controllers and 5 or 6 decent games (aka not sports shovelware) for like $50 total. Nowadays, just a decent looking SNES alone is going to cost you that, not counting extra controllers or games, which are both quite expensive as well these days. Cheaper ones exist, but they're usually super yellowed and disgusting looking so it's gonna need a nice Retrobright run before it'll look nice again.

On an unrelated note, I feel goddamn old with your implication that the OG XBOX is a "retro" system :sad:. But it might be a good place to start though, because those are still incredibly cheap these days and as you mentioned, have tons of emulators and such for them and is very easily soft modded. The Wii is another console that has a ton of emulators, is incredibly cheap, and is easily soft modded, so you could also grab one of those if you're not totally intent on playing on actual hardware.
+1 for the Xbox. Got an HDMI adapter and Coinops installed. Having more fun than I probably should..
 
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If we are discussing the original xbox I should probably link up


One great way to save money is waiting a gen out though, with the added bonus of you can pick the console you like and the library holds no surprises. The down side is this will make some games hard to get if they didn't print enough copies.
Same for a lot of the other points. I also do that for game consoles now (I don't care about online and this way I get all the patches, hacks and more besides). That said I do keep half an eye on the game markets there to figure out what will be the rare ones in years to come as other than some Nintendo first party stuff even the one day in the future this will be rare stuff tends to dip enough to be worth my time.
 
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+1 for the Xbox. Got an HDMI adapter and Coinops installed. Having more fun than I probably should..

I know I am enjoying the hell out of Ninja Massive :)

I don't have the HDMI adapter yet but I do have component and it looks sharp in 720P (I tried 1080i and I didn't like it)

I installed a 250GB hard drive on my own and replaced all the thermal paste it was a super fun project.
 
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I know I am enjoying the hell out of Ninja Massive :)

I don't have the HDMI adapter yet but I do have component and it looks sharp in 720P (I tried 1080i and I didn't like it)

I installed a 250GB hard drive on my own and replaced all the thermal paste it was a super fun project.
Don't do the HDMI adapter if you don't have to. :x No noticeable difference. For some reason it also has a slight green tint.
 

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Don't do the HDMI adapter if you don't have to. :x No noticeable difference. For some reason it also has a slight green tint.

I thought I noticed that on the youtube video's posted on it that the HDMI seemed slightly sharper than the component BUT it seemed a little darker colors. Although in some games that could be better or worse depending on the game and like artistic preference I guess.

I guess you could probably adjust a setting on the TV to brighten up the picture? I know one of my TV's I can change the tint? Either way I am too busy enjoying the Xbox to really care too much. (I only recently got an Xbox like 6 months ago or something? So it's a virtually new system for me.)
 
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about this, does the S-Video Cable worth?
Component or HDMI. S Video isn't bad, it's a noticeable improvement over composite, but not worth it imo. Unless you absolutely have to play on an old tube TV. :x
 

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Idk. PAL games in particular are quite hard to come by in low cost (SSF2 on the SNES is like £30 on ebay) there's a lot of clone DS/GBA carts out there that are horribly produced, and pretty much, everything except shovelware (read:football games*) and common titles are rather expensive.

it was just luck that i bought a psone scph-102 for £5 with the lcd screen and a ps1 scph-9002 for £1.75 lol

japan/US imports are probably different tho

*admittedly i like ps2 era football games (mainly bc they were so many different ones) but not really the others, the quality of them went downhill after 2007

@Memoir if we're talking ps2, component or true RGB scart is best ofc, s-video is ok, and composite/cheap scarts more like composhite
 

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and pretty much, everything except shovelware (read:football games*) and common titles are rather expensive.

*admittedly i like ps2 era football games (mainly bc they were so many different ones) but not really the others, the quality of them went downhill after 2007

Um... Shovelware doesn't mean "games I don't like"
 

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