mcp2 said:Wolvenreign said:Indeed, and one must ask the necessity of an idea which imaginarily explains something we do not know yet. (Again, there is no actual difference between what we do not know and what we "cannot" know, because we do not know whether or not we cannot know it.")
The most perfectly honest thing we can do as human beings is to say, "We don't know.". That is the intellectual, scientific thing to do. Those that fail to do so sacrifice their human curiosity in the name of faith.
Strong tripe. You've wrapped your warped ideas in the most convoluted way possible. Have you ever read any religious books? Religious people don't know everything either, they do say "We don't know". Of course everything isn't known. To go as far as to say it's the "intellectualy scientific thing to do" and not give a reason is even worse than these religious arguments. Oh and the Venus Project is utter shit, stopped reading at "Earth has plentiful resources" and it doesn't even take into account the other uses of money apart from it being a system of barter such as a method of controlling demand and supply via various means (detached from it's bartering value).
P-CHYLD said:Christian= Christ Jesus
Christian= Christmas= Christ Jesus
The word Christ is the key.
Withhout Christ there is nothing.
Only to the blind eye, which you have maybe two.Wolvenreign said:P-CHYLD said:Christian= Christ Jesus
Christian= Christmas= Christ Jesus
The word Christ is the key.
Withhout Christ there is nothing.
Meaningless, though worthy of a Christian bumper sticker.
P-CHYLD said:Christmas= Christ Jesus
Actually Christmas wasn't a Christen holiday. And in fact Jesus has nothing to do with Christmas.P-CHYLD said:Christian= Christ Jesus
Christian= Christmas= Christ Jesus
The word Christ is the key.
Without Christ there is nothing.
P-CHYLD said:Christian= Christ Jesus
Christian= Christmas= Christ Jesus
The word Christ is the key.
Without Christ there is nothing.
P-CHYLD said:Only to the blind eye, which you have maybe two.Wolvenreign said:P-CHYLD said:Christian= Christ Jesus
Christian= Christmas= Christ Jesus
The word Christ is the key.
Withhout Christ there is nothing.
Meaningless, though worthy of a Christian bumper sticker.
I guess he's trying to say that because "Christ" happens to be those things it's some how makes them more important or something...honestly I have no idea what that guys is getting at.Magmorph said:Christmas is a pagan holiday but I don't understand how that even relates to anything.
cwstjdenobs said:Why can we never have nice things.
Zetta_x said:cwstjdenobs said:Why can we never have nice things.
If we lived in a world where everything was nice, we would never learn our weaknesses
So are all other lives meaningless? People that die as babies or toddlers, are they just wastes of space? I don't understand how you think you have a greater reason to be alive over another person, whoever it may be.Wolvenreign said:...You know, it's really not cool to be ignored. Particularly after I wrote all that about faith being contradictory to human essence and progress. Yeah, I wish people would actually read my stuff.
Sheesh.
lol nice. Tell me where it is and I'll read it.
QUOTE(impizkit @ Jul 11 2011, 11:26 AM) You experienced this and still dont believe? That is something. I have had several experiences where I should have died, no explanation why I didn't accept it wasn't my time and God wanted me to live. If I wasn't a strong believer before(I was) then my close encounters strengthened my belief. And I dont believe if religion or follow a religion. I believe that the bible is telling truths, or stories to explain the truth. There is a God, as far as Im concerned.
This will get long, so dont read if you dont want to hear a testimony(I strongly suggest you do):
What is wrong with admitting you don't know something but thinking that a certain theory makes sense? And thus believing it's the one. And thus having faith in it?Wolvenreign said:Magmorph said:A theory that is not refutable is not a theory at all. A scientific theory has to be refutable or it is nothing more than an idea.Foxi4 said:Heh, the point I'm clumsily trying to get across to you is that you cannot prove or disprove some theories because it's humanly impossible to do so, not now and not ever. You can't "die" and "come back a few days later" retaining memories of the process, you can't "find" a spirit because it's not in the mortal plane, you can't prove that there is no God, much like religious people can't prove that there is one. Those are "abstract" theories, they're uncompatible with experimenting.
Indeed, and one must ask the necessity of an idea which imaginarily explains something we do not know yet. (Again, there is no actual difference between what we do not know and what we "cannot" know, because we do not know whether or not we cannot know it.")
The most perfectly honest thing we can do as human beings is to say, "We don't know.". That is the intellectual, scientific thing to do. Those that fail to do so sacrifice their human curiosity in the name of faith.
Pyrmon said:lol nice. Tell me where it is and I'll read it.Wolvenreign said:...You know, it's really not cool to be ignored. Particularly after I wrote all that about faith being contradictory to human essence and progress. Yeah, I wish people would actually read my stuff.Magmorph said:QUOTE(Wolvenreign @ Jul 11 2011, 11:20 AM)Foxi4 said:Heh, the point I'm clumsily trying to get across to you is that you cannot prove or disprove some theories because it's humanly impossible to do so, not now and not ever. You can't "die" and "come back a few days later" retaining memories of the process, you can't "find" a spirit because it's not in the mortal plane, you can't prove that there is no God, much like religious people can't prove that there is one. Those are "abstract" theories, they're uncompatible with experimenting.
A theory that is not refutable is not a theory at all. A scientific theory has to be refutable or it is nothing more than an idea.
Indeed, and one must ask the necessity of an idea which imaginarily explains something we do not know yet. (Again, there is no actual difference between what we do not know and what we "cannot" know, because we do not know whether or not we cannot know it.")
The most perfectly honest thing we can do as human beings is to say, "We don't know.". That is the intellectual, scientific thing to do. Those that fail to do so sacrifice their human curiosity in the name of faith.
What is wrong with admitting you don't know something but thinking that a certain theory makes sense? And thus believing it's the one. And thus having faith in it?
It isn't a theory if it isn't based on scientific testing, trial and error. When you simply believe something to be true without any foundation, you reach outside your finite perception of the world and into the realm of imagination. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, it's just that you'll be a little more blind.
There's a rather sizable difference between saying "I don't know", and saying, "I don't know, but this story this person told me this one time makes sense, so I'm going to have unshakable faith in it, because it requires me to.".
QUOTE(Uncle FEFL @ Jul 12 2011, 01:40 AM)
Sheesh.
I myself was ignored as well, but seeing that everyone here is having a deep conversation, I don't see why not. I myself have read your post, and have also actually copy+pasta'd it into a text document for future arguments and/or conversation. I actually find your posts quite interesting myself.Wolvenreign said:...You know, it's really not cool to be ignored. Particularly after I wrote all that about faith being contradictory to human essence and progress. Yeah, I wish people would actually read my stuff.
Sheesh.
Hikaru said:I myself was ignored as well, but seeing that everyone here is having a deep conversation, I don't see why not. I myself have read your post, and have also actually copy+pasta'd it into a text document for future arguments and/or conversation. I actually find your posts quite interesting myself.Wolvenreign said:...You know, it's really not cool to be ignored. Particularly after I wrote all that about faith being contradictory to human essence and progress. Yeah, I wish people would actually read my stuff.
Sheesh.