Pokémon - The Battle Between Legitimacy and Legality

[Sheimi]

I was able to transfer Tepig with Thick Fat. Nothing for Snivy with Contrary.

 

[Deleted-236924]

but its only a matter of time until someone updates pokesav/gen to include that kalos option

That won't happen.

 

[Hozu]

Considering that this site supports piracy (outside of providing ROMs), it's fairly obvious that the majority of opinions here are going to be biased. I mean, come on, if people willingly break the law, of course they'll have no qualms about breaking rules for an online game.

 

[Clydefrosch]

That won't happen.

What do you mean, that wont happen?

Why would it not happen? It should be a pretty minor change really, its just a single byte that needs to be changed.

I'm not talking about a pokesav for Y and X. I'm talking about adding the option to give transfered pokemon the 'kalos hexagon' before its even transfered. A hack that right now, requires the use of a hex editor, but is pretty simple in general.

 

[Veho]

In a game where battles relied more on player skill and less on the characters' starting stats, hacked (but still legal) characters wouldn't matter that much. But Pokemon is more or less a solved game (damage can be calculated in advance, and for every Pokemon with any move there is a mathematically optimal counter; you can calculate the perfect game for every battle) and players at the top level know exactly what moves to make each turn to play the perfect game, and 90% of the time the outcome is pretty much known before the battle even starts. Outside of some truly brilliant new tactic (and they grow rarer by the second) the outcome of a Pokemon battle really depends only on how much grinding the player did beforehand. Replacing all that work with a single, simple hack is unfair to the other player.

 

[Deleted-236924]

What do you mean, that wont happen?

Why would it not happen? It should be a pretty minor change really, its just a single byte that needs to be changed.

I'm not talking about a pokesav for Y and X. I'm talking about adding the option to give transfered pokemon the 'kalos hexagon' before its even transfered. A hack that right now, requires the use of a hex editor, but is pretty simple in general.

Because of the entire policy of the website from which PokéGen originates, this simply won't happen.

 

[Clydefrosch]

Because of the entire policy of the website from which PokéGen originates, this simply won't happen.

whats the policy of the website from which pokegen comes from? (is it the same as the ones that brought us pokesav?)

also, it doesnt have to be them specifically. a cheap .bat file would be able to do the same. all I'm saying is, it won't take long until people dont even need to open up a hex editor for this

 

[Hadrian]

illegal Infernapes plaguing the titles

Sounds and looks like a futuristic form of herpes to me.

 

[Queno138]

What do you mean, that wont happen?

Why would it not happen? It should be a pretty minor change really, its just a single byte that needs to be changed.

I'm not talking about a pokesav for Y and X. I'm talking about adding the option to give transfered pokemon the 'kalos hexagon' before its even transfered. A hack that right now, requires the use of a hex editor, but is pretty simple in general.

and what byte is that? why will we want that anyway?

 

[Clydefrosch]

and what byte is that? why will we want that anyway?

0x5F to 18

In a hex editor, it would look like this
http://puu.sh/5ZUZs.jpg

We generally don't want that. But what it does is, that a pokemon that came from gen 5 through the pokebank, has a Kalos Hexagon from the very start. By changing the bytes initial value to 18, you basically change its hatching location to a location in X/Y (in the case of 18, it seems to be the santalune forest from early in the game)

It would allow people to use their gened pokemon from gen 5 in gen 6's special battle (and it would probably be enough to slip by the tournaments general checks) so unless someone tells the repsonsible people that a mega gardevoir with hyper voice (or any other pokemon with a tutor move) and a kalos triangle wouldn't be possible unless its in some way hacked, people can cheat on tournaments

 

[DarkStriker]

Yes I know that Hidden Abilities that arent released dont make it to online battles. My point is they shouldn't have made it through the bank in the first place.

But online battles only stop so much. You cant have a gardevoir with mewtwos psistrike online because its a move it cant have. but they can have a gen 5 gardevoir with the tutor move hyper voice AND the kalos hexagon to use in rated and special battles.
They should not be able to have that, because hyper voice is a tutor move that doesnt get passed when they breed it for the kalos hexagon (a step they wont need to do now, that you can edit the pokemon in gen 5 to arrive in gen 6 with the mark already present)

Reread.......

 

[Clydefrosch]

Reread.......

what do you want me to reread?

right now, as it seems, pokemon with tutormoves, genned in black/white, that should be unusable on special battle, can be used in special battle if gened to have the pentagon.

 

[Queno138]

0x5F to 18

In a hex editor, it would look like this
http://puu.sh/5ZUZs.jpg

We generally don't want that. But what it does is, that a pokemon that came from gen 5 through the pokebank, has a Kalos Hexagon from the very start. By changing the bytes initial value to 18, you basically change its hatching location to a location in X/Y (in the case of 18, it seems to be the santalune forest from early in the game)

Has this been tested?

As far as I know,
that byte is for "Origin Game", and X and Y uses values 24 and 25 respectivel

 

[Sheimi]

So yes, you can transfer Pokemon with Dream World abilities if done correctly. You cannot use them on Battle Spot. BUT, you can use them against Friend Battles.

 

[Deleted-236924]

Has this been tested?

As far as I know,
that byte is for "Origin Game", and X and Y uses values 24 and 25 respectivel

18 is 24 in Hex

 

[Queno138]

18 is 24 in Hex

Oh oops! Was thinking it was Dec. Oh wells.
It shouldn't be a problem as long as people don't know how to key that byte in and fix the checksum,
or if GF patches that

I can't wait for Pokebank to come out. :/

 

[Clydefrosch]

Oh oops! Was thinking it was Dec. Oh wells.
It shouldn't be a problem as long as people don't know how to key that byte in and fix the checksum,
or if GF patches that

I can't wait for Pokebank to come out. :/

fixing the checksum is apparently really simple, I left that out on purpose. but as I said, I expect that eventually, someone will make a small .bat file or add that function to pokegen or sav and then it'll just be a click...

 

[Queno138]

fixing the checksum is apparently really simple, I left that out on purpose. but as I said, I expect that eventually, someone will make a small .bat file or add that function to pokegen or sav and then it'll just be a click...

Shhhh don't let them know! don't fan the flames of the war

 

[bezman]

I'm not totally against the whole idea, but I 'frown upon' it.
As long as the people who do create these artificial Pokemon keep within the boundaries and not create 6 Arceus with maxed out stats and perfect IV's ad EV's then it's ok. They'll just miss out on that awesome feeling of catching, training and putting in the time and effort to have a strong and well balanced team.
I understand that if you have been putting in the time to research Pokemon and eventually come up with a strong team, you would want that team RIGHT NOW. You don't want to grind. However that would be, what some people would call, a 'false sense of achievement' because you didn't get the team you wanted through normal means.
Whatever floats your goat though.

 

[Ryukouki]

The results of this poll are very interesting.