UPDATE: Regarding the recent 3DS banwave

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It appears that users are being banned from 3DS online services, en masse. There's no direct cause right now, and seemingly no linking factor. This post is meant as an announcement for users, to be wary, and that GBAtemp will keep you updated as soon as more info rolls in. If you have been banned, please post in the thread below, and we will try to keep tabs on the situation. To be extra sure, it can't hurt to turn off your 3DS's wireless capabilities, so you might as well do that for now.

Edit 1: it appears that e-Shop access isn't restricted if you are banned.

Edit 2: A caller to Nintendo reported that the company said this ban is due to "unauthorized software usage".

Edit 3: @LinkSoraZelda is collecting info. Contact him if you are banned.

Edit 4: Click and fill this out if you were BANNED.

Edit 5:
[11:28:19 PM] Clector: Curiously the page of that error in Nintendo Support website used to have this:Error Code: 002-0102 Situation: You receive the error code 002-0102 when attempting to connect online. What to Do: If you continue to experience this issue, please contact Nintendo by calling 1-800-255-3700. Representatives are available from 6 a.m. to 7 p.m., Pacific Time, 7 days a week.
[11:28:44 PM] Clector: Now it says this: What to Do: If you are experiencing this error code, your Nintendo 3DS family system has been banned due to unauthorized system modifications, play of unauthorized versions of one or more games, and/or connecting to the official game servers in violation of our terms of service. This ban is effective immediately and requests to remove the ban will not be processed.
Thanks to @Joom

Edit 6: Aurora Wright is taking another poll here

Edit 7: Not a lot is known but

There are bans happening, they are happening in all regions.
All models in the 3ds family seem to be candidates for banning.
There is no indication they will be anything other than permanent.
A game or DLC may end up being a cause but there is no one game or DLC that ties banned users together.
The cause or causes are as yet unknown, though it does seem to be related to modifications. Reports of unmodified consoles being banned are as yet unproven.
The banning is tied to something you can modify, thus you can unban. Doing it while the causes are unknown is likely only going to burn a working token though.
There are semi public tokens out there, Nintendo knows how to browse a forum as well as you so don't be surprised if they also get banned.
It does not seem to be limited to a given base firmware version, it does not seem to be limited to any one custom firmware type. There is some speculation that older hacking methods are not being hit as hard but nothing to confirm this yet.
The data collection could have happened this morning, or it could have been months in the making.
A simple check to see is checking your friends list, by itself it will not ban you.
Some are turning their wifi off. It is doubtful this will be of much use and being banned does not seem to come with any downsides that wifi being off will not also mimic.
You may have escaped a ban thus far but it could happen at any point. It could be that they stop in the future, it has happened on other consoles, but you would be living in hope rather than any particularly well founded logic.
The bans are done on the side of Nintendo's servers rather than your 3ds so there is also that.

If you hack your devices/games then their online functionality may be troubled. This has been known for decades, Nintendo seems to have finally caught up with that.

Please continue to share information with the thread or the links in previous edits.

Update 5/30

HOW TO HELP AVOID BANS (we think)​

If I was to guess from the information we have gathered since the ban wave, it seems likely that they are looking for TitleIDs that don't exist. Homebrew shows up in the activity log as the Download Play app, and fake CIA's show up as just ??????. That last one is what I'm guessing they are looking for.

If you are not banned yet or before you unban yourself, go into your friends list, choose settings, and turn off the option to "show friends what game you are playing." This will prevent you from playing games online with friends, so turn it back on when you wanna game with someone, but ALWAYS keep it off when running custom CIAs. Next, go into system settings -> internet settings -> spotpass, and turn off BOTH options. One is auto download software, the other sends system information to Nintendo. Also, make sure you don't have your favorite title set to something stupid like FBI or any other non-Nintendo CIA.

Its VERY likely that these options are what tipped off Nintendo, but we aren't 100% certain yet. The amount of banned people that had one of these options turned on was over 80% for each. If I was to assume that some of those people overlap, its very possible (but not confirmed) that 100% of banned people in the survey had at least one of those options turned on. I personally had all of them off and I have TONS of reasons for Nintendo to ban me.... yet I am not banned (yet).

Another bit of advice: Only run custom CIAs when offline, and after you close them, run a "legit" game like Smash Bros. or something before shutting down or going back online. This way your most recent title won't show up as a fake CIA

Current Theories as to what causes a ban
* SpotPass Settings: 8 users out of 46 users that were banned have SpotPass completely shut off, or SpotPass only (no friends list visibility)
* Firmware Version (Luma, Nintendo): Literally all reports ranged from 10.2+, I can get exact numbers for this if you'd like, but all firmwares were affected.
* Firmware Type (A9LH, B9S): 44 of the 126 B9S users that answered were banned, pattern was mirrored for A9LH users as well.
* Homebrew Titles such as FBI, HBL, Luma Updater, Themely, and freeShop: Literally about 98% of users both banned and unbanned had some combination of these applications installed. However the common ones were: FBI, HBL, LumaUpdater and NTR.
* Save Modification: Equal amounts of users on both sides have reported save modification in some form, either with PKSM or another save editor
* System Transfers: 188 users said that they had not previously system transfered, 61 of those users were banned; 16 users said they transferred from a hacked console, only three of them received a ban; 13 said they transferred from a stock system and likewise were banned. The rest of our sample did not answer this question.
* Activity Log Information: A majority of those who have not been banned have said they had NOT cleaned their activity logs. I can get exact numbers for this too on request.

This information is just what I've found. Like I said, there could be variables or things we haven't even checked for yet. But these are things that I feel should be disproven, at least with the current dataset we have.

  • From the information that we've gathered from some people that have used a packet sniffer such as WireShark, the following data is sent to Nintendo's online gaming servers as soon as the 3DS connects to the internet:
    • Amount of time spent online (timer stops when either the system is disconnected from the internet, or connection drops out, then starts the timer again in a new session when it reconnects to the internet).
    • The game being played and amount of time spent on it during that session.
    • The console's unique hexadecimal ID used in the LocalFriendCodeSeedB, along with it's RSA-signed signature.
    • The console's serial number in which is broadcasted from the SoC and is hard coded in the SoC.
    • Friend Code generated on the Nintendo 3DS system, if one has been generated.
    • Internet connection status (either online or offline).
    • The Nintendo Network ID, if there is one linked to it.
    • Even if the sending of SpotPass Information is switched off, or even hiding your currently playing games. It does not prevent the system from sending currently playing information to Nintendo's online gaming servers, it only hides it from your friends in your friend list (like being invisible on the forum, while mods and admins can still see you). Why? Because even people without a Friend Code on their system have been getting banned too!

  • The following data is NOT sent to Nintendo's online gaming servers:
    • The data from the Nintendo 3DS's Activity Log. Oddly enough, while Nintendo does explicitly state that they collect Activity Log data, they're actually referring to their own server's Activity Log, which always tracks every console's online activity, and keeps a record of them that is stored forever. And is only collected in increments of data through a timer and a currently playing list.
    • Games or apps that have not been played, regardless if they're legitimate or not. You only get tracked when you're online and using that game or app.
    • Using games or apps while offline. Even though it is stored on the 3DS console's Activity Log, that data is NOT sent to Nintendo's online gaming servers.
    • Custom Firmware. Though we can't rule out the possibility of them releasing a 3DS update in the future that adds such function to collect MD5 hashes of files and FIRM data and send them to Nintendo online gaming servers (which would also be updated in a maintenance).

  • Things that people think what happens with consoles, but really doesn't:
    • "LocalFriendCodeSeedB is transferred to the system upon doing a system transfer". This is false, the LocalFriendCodeSeedB remains on the system and does not move to another system.
    • "The console generates a LocalFriendCodeSeedB upon first startup". Again, this is false, the LocalFriendCodeSeedB is made during the manufacturing process at Foxconn. It is generated at the factory, flashed to the NAND flash memory storage, then created as an account on Nintendo's online gaming server and Nintendo eShop server immediately when being manufactured. It is absolutely impossible to generate a LocalFriendCodeSeedB and be able to connect to Nintendo's online gaming server and/or Nintendo eShop server, even if you knew the RSA generation key for it. You'd end up with Error Code 002-0102 "This console's online services have been restricted by Nintendo" if you even tried (the error can either mean two things: The hexadecimal ID doesn't exist on the server, or the request to access the hexadecimal ID has been denied which in other words... banned). So a LocalFriendCodeSeedB generator will NEVER happen! Because it's not worth doing, if it can't connect.
    • Switching off "Currently Playing" information. Once again, this does not hide your online activity from Nintendo's online gaming server, it only hides it from your friends.
    • Switching off SpotPass. Nope, this too doesn't hide your online activity from Nintendo's online gaming server, it only opts-out of receiving SpotPass data, sorry.

So pretty much the bottom line is, if anyone has been using custom apps and/or titles not installed through Nintendo eShop while online in the past, guess what? You're screwed! And it is only a matter of time before your console's unique hexadecimal ID in the LocalFriendCodeSeedB is banned from Nintendo's online gaming server. This will mean, your console can't access the Friend List or play any online functions in games.

If you have been online while using custom apps and/or titles not installed through Nintendo eShop and haven't been banned yet, that's because Nintendo hasn't caught up to you yet. They're still going through each unique hexadecimal ID's Activity Log on their server, and by Activity Log, I mean the Activity Log on their server, not the 3DS console's activity log. And it will be only a matter of time before you're banned too.

Thanks to @Platinum Lucario @MadMageKefka and @ShadowEO !
 

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I called nintendo! Please use Google translate English to spanish! I have usefull information!
Hablé a nintendo hace unos minutos y una señorita me atendió amablemente le dije sobre mi código de error y me dijo que el baneo no era automático que hay personas todos los días verificando lo que entra y lo que sale al servidor! Y todo es verificado, lista de juegos instalados, compras y apps utilizadas, los supervisores son los que se encargan de eso solo tienen esa tarea específica, también dijo que el ban era permanente pero que transferiria mi caso a un supervisor, le dije a la señorita que como cliente estaba muy molesto ya que en Pokémon se puede recibir un Pokémon hackeado y esa podría ser la razón (la cual no es) pero en pocas palabras la cuestione profundamente sobre eso PLEASE TRANSLATE

I called nintendo! Please use Google Translate English to Spanish! I have usefull information!
I spoke to Nintendo a few minutes ago and a lady kindly answered me about my error code and told me that the ban was not automatic that there are people every day checking what goes in and what goes out to the server! And everything is verified, list of installed games, purchases and apps used, the supervisors are the ones who take care of that only have that specific task, also said that the ban was permanent but that I would transfer my case to a supervisor, I told the Miss that as a client was very annoying because in Pokémon you can receive a hacked Pokémon and that could be the reason (which is not) but in a few words question it deeply about it

Google translated it and yup this can happen in Pokemon I don't think Nintendo knows that ... you can be given a hacked Pokemon through trade I did I was so excited to see a shiny mew come through trade o.o back during Pokemon banwave It came from Japanese had a name meaning god .. oddly I was one of the ones banned though was told it was my R4i that got me banned ... I still have that mew I treasure it I still am curious how they got it through but I don't care XD it's cute!
 
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I called nintendo! Please use Google translate English to spanish! I have usefull information!
Hablé a nintendo hace unos minutos y una señorita me atendió amablemente le dije sobre mi código de error y me dijo que el baneo no era automático que hay personas todos los días verificando lo que entra y lo que sale al servidor! Y todo es verificado, lista de juegos instalados, compras y apps utilizadas, los supervisores son los que se encargan de eso solo tienen esa tarea específica, también dijo que el ban era permanente pero que transferiria mi caso a un supervisor, le dije a la señorita que como cliente estaba muy molesto ya que en Pokémon se puede recibir un Pokémon hackeado y esa podría ser la razón (la cual no es) pero en pocas palabras la cuestione profundamente sobre eso PLEASE TRANSLATE

"I called Nintendo a few minutes ago and a nice and kind lady answered me, I told her about my error code and she told me the BANNING was not automatic, that there's people verifying everything that comes in and out of the server!, That everything is verified: From games installed, to purchases, to used apps, supervisors are the ones in charge of that specific task, she also mentioned that even though the BAN WAS PERMANENT, she'd transfer me to a supervisor, and I told the lady that as a client I was really upset because in Pokemon one can receive hacked Pokemon and that could be a reason (Which isn't)."

There is your translation, you are welcome.
[Did not use google translate, I translated it myself]
 
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"I called Nintendo a few minutes ago and a nice and kind lady answered me, I told her about my error code and she told me the BANNING was not automatic, that there's people verifying everything that comes in and out of the server!, That everything is verified: From games installed, to purchases, to used apps, supervisors are the ones in charge of that specific task, she also mentioned that even though the BAN WAS PERMANENT, she'd transfer me to a supervisor, and I told the lady that as a client I was really upset because in Pokemon one can receive hacked Pokemon and that could be a reason (Which isn't)."

There is your translation, you are welcome.
[Did not use google translate, I translated it myself]
Well Nintendo reps usually don't know anything. This might have been pure speculation on her side.
 
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I called nintendo! Please use Google translate English to spanish! I have usefull information!
Hablé a nintendo hace unos minutos y una señorita me atendió amablemente le dije sobre mi código de error y me dijo que el baneo no era automático que hay personas todos los días verificando lo que entra y lo que sale al servidor! Y todo es verificado, lista de juegos instalados, compras y apps utilizadas, los supervisores son los que se encargan de eso solo tienen esa tarea específica, también dijo que el ban era permanente pero que transferiria mi caso a un supervisor, le dije a la señorita que como cliente estaba muy molesto ya que en Pokémon se puede recibir un Pokémon hackeado y esa podría ser la razón (la cual no es) pero en pocas palabras la cuestione profundamente sobre eso PLEASE TRANSLATE
If that's the case, we're still screwed. And I don't think we can do anything to avoid it then.
 
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Yes, only to my Old 3DSes. To 11.4 and B9S
Those didn't get banned though.

My New 3DS, I left it in 11.2 and A9LH still...
This is actually good information. I updated to B9S on the 23rd both N3Ds/Old3Ds, but the only homebrew apps I open were FBI/Luma Updater 2.0 due to the installation guide.
My main motive was to get my Supercard DSTWO working again which infact did. After that both 3ds were shut off till I heard about the bans to turn off spotpass. As of today no bans on both systems "Yet"
 

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The N2DS isnt out yet right? If you manage to unlink it then yeah you can use it and the ban won't carry over since it's a console ban. I just doubt cfw can be installed on it since it might of had a revision on motherboard

Yeah, it's not out still. It's being released on July 28th, but I already pre-ordered mine. It probably won't be able to install CFW on it, but for the time being I'm OK with that. I want to keep it as my "clean" system.

What I'll do is that I'll hold on to unbanning myself using a clean seed until at least a couple of weeks from now. Then I'll get all my Pokémon from the Bank, unlink my NNID and keep waiting until the N2DS is released.

Cheers!
 

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I called nintendo! Please use Google translate English to spanish! I have usefull information!
Hablé a nintendo hace unos minutos y una señorita me atendió amablemente le dije sobre mi código de error y me dijo que el baneo no era automático que hay personas todos los días verificando lo que entra y lo que sale al servidor! Y todo es verificado, lista de juegos instalados, compras y apps utilizadas, los supervisores son los que se encargan de eso solo tienen esa tarea específica, también dijo que el ban era permanente pero que transferiria mi caso a un supervisor, le dije a la señorita que como cliente estaba muy molesto ya que en Pokémon se puede recibir un Pokémon hackeado y esa podría ser la razón (la cual no es) pero en pocas palabras la cuestione profundamente sobre eso PLEASE TRANSLATE
*snip*
People already translated.
 
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I'm going to to the job here,

This person right here called Nintendo and a nice lady told him this:

"After he told him his error code, the lady said that the ban WASN'T automatic at all. Because there are people who verifies 7 days of the week, what it enters and what it goes to the server.
Everything is verified, including the list of games installed, E-shop's bought games, and apps that we utilized, the supervisors are in charge to verify all this.
So, in conclusion, the ban is permanent."

Here we have it, we were being seen by the eyes of Ninty all the time.
I already translated it accurately, no need to re-translate it.
 

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Well Nintendo reps usually don't know anything. This might have been pure speculation on her side.
Even if that is the case and they are correct, we pretty much already speculated that's how they're flagging people. We just don't know how they're getting that list (probably SpotPass transfering titleIDs/tickets).
But then, if users only have legit CIAs installed and only HBL, they wouldn't be banned because there's nothing invalid there (except for the recently used games (does a non-CFW'd 3DS show HBL as a recent game, or does it just show the entry point?) Legit CIAs aren't purchased, unless their comparing a your Serial Number with the installed legit CIAs.
 

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Can someone give me a TLDR on the past 12 hours?I fell asleep

Most interesting thing that happened were people arguing about the reason for the bans... I figure gbaTemp staff will make it front page news once they do know what's going on, so no need to keep updated with this thread which is mainly for shitposting.
 

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Even if that is the case and they are correct, we pretty much already speculated that's how they're flagging people. We just don't know how they're getting that list (probably SpotPass transfering titleIDs/tickets).
But then, if users only have legit CIAs installed and only HBL, they wouldn't be banned because there's nothing invalid there (except for the recently used games (does a non-CFW'd 3DS show HBL as a recent game, or does it just show the entry point?) Legit CIAs aren't purchased, unless their comparing a your Serial Number with the installed legit CIAs.
If you are using HBL via an entrypoint, it won't be showsin the log, rather it shows the entrypoint or a random app afaik. How are you installing legit cias though?

Did you try using ctr-httpwn?
 

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Most interesting thing that happened were people arguing about the reason for the bans... I figure gbaTemp staff will make it front page news once they do know what's going on, so no need to keep updated with this thread which is mainly for shitposting.
Alright thanks
 

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