Windows 7 Support End-of-Life (Also, Why I'd Prefer Upgrading to 8.1 Over 10)

This is what people will see when going to Microsoft's website up until the deadline shown. It is expected by most Windows users that Microsoft would no longer support Windows versions that become 10 years old and older, but it's damaging to Microsoft when they kill support for a platform that was still going strong and expect people to upgrade. Even worse when there aren't better alternatives.

Windows XP End of Life

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The message that was sent to users shortly before the end of support.

Go back to 2014. After 12 years of support due to there being so many people who loved using Windows XP, and perhaps arguably Microsoft's best version of Windows to date, Microsoft announced that support for all editions of Windows XP would end. They also used imagery of an old computer system running Windows XP versus a new system running the latest Windows at the time, Windows 8.1. Ridiculous, to say the least, as there were newer systems which could efficiently run Windows XP 64-bit. Yet, despite the security risks of a dead system, according to StatCounter a surprising 1.54% of people still use Windows XP. It may not sound like much, but considering that there are approximately 7 billion people on the planet, roughly 100 million still use Windows XP. Now, this estimate can very much be inaccurate, since not everyone owns a computer, but it could still be a fairly high amount considering that this is a statistic basing on how many computers have Windows XP, not exactly how many people use it, since more than one person can use a desktop or laptop. I wouldn't be surprised if I were to discover that 50 million still use XP.

Windows 7 End of Life

January of next year, all Windows 7 versions will no longer be supported (save those that are protected by volume licensing, in which it is extended until January 10th, 2023). What will this mean for Windows 7 users? Of all the currently supported Windows version, Windows 7 is the best, beating Windows 8.1 in the market share by over 25% globally according to StatCounter. Microsoft is now pushing messages on systems still running Windows 7, prompting users to upgrade to Windows 10.

Why I Do Not Recommend Windows 10

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Windows 10 integrates several new features, including Cortana, which collects user data automatically.

There are those who are gonna scoff, but it's actually been proven over and over. Microsoft is collecting your data. Even as recently as August of this year, because of the GDPR Microsoft is consistently being investigated about their data collection. The best way that they are doing it nowadays is with Windows 10, which has various diagnostic and info-collecting services on by default. Even after turning these features off, some personal information can still be collected by Microsoft. There is a way to remove built-in software manually, but it becomes reset after every major update.

Is Windows 8.1 Safer Than Windows 10?

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Due to there being many gripes about lack of desktop integration in Windows 8, Microsoft released Windows 8.1, which can be either seen as a mere upgrade or a separate version altogether.

Let's be honest here - unless Microsoft has stopped using it altogether, there really isn't such a thing as a "safe" version of Windows. However, many of these things which can be potential privacy breaches are built into Windows 10 by default. Windows 8.1 lacks several features (like Cortana) which collects and stores information remotely that has to be manually deleted or retrieved, so unless you add them to Windows 8.1 (via Windows Update or their own website), then yes it is somewhat better, in regards to privacy and security from the very developers of it. One thing's for sure: it's a heck of a lot better than Windows 8! :P
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None of this is scientific, we would need large scale testing for that, there isn't enough evidence to draw conclusions from either way. So I guess we agree on that.
You're assuming that hardware degrades even when it's left unused in the box, I don't agree with that assumption. That is certainly true in some cases because we hear about stuff like the self destructing clock capacitor in the original Xbox, yet there isn't a plague of capacitors failing in old tech everywhere, it's generally capacitors from a certain time period (the "capacitor plague") that suffer from this. There is no reason to think new in box tech (other than batteries, of course) will universally wear out just from being stored as long as they are stored properly. Humidity, heat and cold can all have an effect. Your attic (or basement, for that matter) might not be the best place to store any tech you care about.
Back to your previous post, that's probably all true, still doesn't mean you're going to notice a difference. Failed capacitors is a bit different, when capacitors fail the hardware stops functioning correctly outright; you don't just notice degraded performance, you start noticing serious stability issues or some things just not working as they should. Generally it's the same with chips, once they fail, they fail outright and in the case of a GPU you would either not POST, it would be a black screen, or you'd get constant BSODs or other glitches. They're designed to perform near their optimum speed until they fail and although you might lose some boost clock, they are still performing above spec (boost clocks are not a guarantee)
I believe I saw a more recent test of the hypothesis, which showed a few % loss in performance after many years of use, I'm not sure on which channel though. I find that more than acceptable and I doubt anyone would notice a few % loss in performance in games or applications, but they would certainly notice it in benchmarks. I wish I could find that video so I could link it, all that came up on LTT was the video I linked but it's possible I'm not using the right search terms.
Fair point on the TIM, that is a valid concern. Although it's not too difficult to repaste a CPU these days with the tools der8auer makes, it's pretty hard to mess up. You'll void your warranty, but that's hardly a concern on a 10 year old CPU. Even if it was performing optimally after 10 years, by then it's very obsolete anyway, so realistically it doesn't really matter, hardly anyone keeps the same PC hardware for more than 10 years, and the ones who do probably don't care if they lose some performance.
Keep in mind I never claimed degradation wasn't real, it's definitely real, but performance loss isn't the issue, the issue is when things start failing and that's when you're likely to notice. That's just my relatively unsubstantiated opinion though.
 
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@tomasowa
"If there are Hardware malfunctions and issues, then it's the end;"

not really ,i will take a hardware issue over a software issue any day of the week as long as it is not something really major
so much easier to fix IMO depending on the design of your machine of course

@jayro
not an option in my case since it is soldered to the board
besides it's mostly software related as to why it slows down
 
@weatMod Easier to fix? Software issues can be fixed with a simple update. Hardware issues might be unfixable depending.
 
Wow, I left this post overnight, came back today and saw several lengthy posts regarding Windows and hardware compatibility! I must be popular, right now. :)

It doesn't really matter what everyone's experiences are. As @tomasowa mentioned earlier, "you do you", meaning do whatever works for you. What works for me is Windows 8.1 and Ubuntu most versions; I also mentioned before how I like Windows XP and 7. Some people here like Windows 10, and if consistently tweaking it to keep it secure is what you want to do, then by all means, keep doing so. If you don't care, then don't, but be aware that you are being monitored, and more so than you may think.

As for me, I'd rather just avoid the headache of using Windows 10. I'd rather tweak Windows 8.1 and earlier (which, to me at least, isn't as much of a hassle), and use Linux distros that I like. I'm not a Mac person at all, a "hatred" that I share with one of my friends (he doesn't like it either), and I'm also interested in obscure OSes, too - eComStation, ArcaOS, Symbian, Sailfish, Tizen, etc.

So, that's the kind of person I am. Unique in every way, and proud of it. :)
 
I'm using Spybot Anti-Beacon, so I'm not being monitored, and there's no constant tweaking, especially compared to Linux, it just works.
Obscure OSes - I notice you failed to mention Haiku and TempleOS.
And Tizen is hardly obscure seeing as it's in every Samsung TV.
 
@The Real Jdbye
usually it 's the update that breaks things
and no you can not just fix software with an update
most of the time
hardware is cheap to replace especially on older machines and you replace it and it's done ,good luck trying to figure out a software problem especially with a proprietary POS OS like windows
 
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Bear in mind, the context of my Replies is the fact I gift Windows Laptops to Family, not myself.
There is no possible way I would need so many Laptops at any one time.

Also remember that we are active in International Travel before the Pandemic hit and undoubtedly will be active again afterwards.
As such, I can tell you from Airport experience that when some Staff are fixated on finding something wrong with you, they will do their utmost to find it; there is zero gain in adding fuel to that fire.

Some would call those acts Casual Racism, I call that part of my Business Day.
Whatever it is, though, it definitely is Off-Topic here so I will leave it at that.
 
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@The Real Jdbye Not sure what to tell you. Processors aren't just made out of sand, they're made of doped silicon. Dopant materials change the molecular structure of silicon, phosphors, boron and/or other chemicals are added to control how a semiconductor functions, and those degrade for a variety of reasons - exposure to light, exposure to magnetic fields, current flow, temperature cycling, even flow of time. As far as capacitors are concerned, depending on the type, they will be affected by time differently. Bog standard electrolitics don't need to be used at all to change characteristics - they just dry out. Every single electronic component has a shelf life and every single one will, sadly, eventually fail. Every piece of silicon is different, some samples are more resistant than others, so it's always nice to land a golden sample, but ultimately "stock performance" can only be guaranteed for a set amount of time - how much time that is depends on many factors that are beyond the user's control. It's safe to say that with proper care they should, theoretically, last longer than the user will, but they're not eternal. As a collector I may have a slightly different perspective on this since it's not uncommon for me to buy hardware that's as old as I am, often older, and I'm no youngling myself. :P
 

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