What's extasy like?

[quote name='moozxy' post='3622521' date='May 2 2011, 02:23 AM'][quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3621682' date='May 1 2011, 11:40 PM'][quote name='moozxy' post='3620872' date='May 1 2011, 02:19 AM']It does what it says on the tin. You will feel ecstatic.[/quote] There is no tin, it's just one guy who's our buddy, he has them in like little candy baggies.
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I can't believe I forgot to ask, how old are you? If you're still a kid (i.e. under 18), then you should probably leave drugs till you're a bit more mature.
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22. It's just the way he carries them.

[quote name='machomuu' post='3622523' date='May 2 2011, 02:26 AM']Just wondering, did you spell it wrong in the title on purpose?[/quote]

Does it matter as everybody know what I was talking about?

[quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3622716' date='May 2 2011, 06:04 AM']22. It's just the way he carries them.
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that's how most people carry them, i think the tin thing was a joke.
and to be fair he was just wondering.

Couldn't tell if it was a joke as I don't really study or get hooked into a whole lot of drugs. Hell I smoke a lot of weed but I still don't know much about that.

Give me half a day and I will knock you together a pill making machine in my backyard workshop that can print whatever you like on the side (food colouring has never been costly), failing that they are not that hard to get black, grey or misdirected ("I run a herbal supplements company (a trade pretty much unregulated beyond "best not to poison people") you know")- basically the description/appearance of the pill is not a metric I can stand behind let alone issues with quality control/proper dosages. Granted it is probably not a wise thing to do what with black market trademarks tending to be enforced by spilling blood but that matters little to the would be user that gets to take the pill.

"new and different combinations of chemicals or even hybrid pills"
That concerns me more but I already took that one.

[quote name='Shabutie78' post='3622528' date='May 2 2011, 11:32 AM']tl;dr
when i said "new formulas being created" i was talking about new pills being made, consisting of new and different combinations of chemicals or even hybrid pills.
like a blue pokeball dollar sign: a blue pill with a pokeball imprint on one side, and a dollar bill sign on the other. made of half pokeball and half dollar sign.
we call them blue pokebills and they're fucking amazing.
[quote name='FAST6191' post='3619254' date='Apr 30 2011, 02:43 AM']"i'm going to name a couple E pills"

I have no quarrel with what followed* but it is best to mention that "trademarks" are not all that respected so I would not place too much stock in them.
I feel bad I omitted the what is mixed conversation as well- I was still largely operating under the rave era/friends who are chemists principle and neglected to cover it properly (as Lyghts said it is not the same stuff that was available when most of those that were experiencing it were coming up).

*what preceded it though-
"new formulas being created"- if you meant new cooking methods maybe (at present I am not aware enough of the common/current clan lab methods and the byproducts to call anything), if you meant different chemicals then I might take issue as they are different chemicals which can be radically different despite a small change (I would be more apprehensive about these random tweaks- MDMA has serious research on the matter but some of the others are previously unknown to science), you covered mixing of different in the rest of the post so if you were referring to that I apologise.

Leaving that discussion I realise my last post might have had the potential to be interpreted negatively which I did not intend it to be- suffice it to say there are far worse things you can be doing and done properly you can get a lot of enjoyment out of it (if you like that sort of thing that is- it might not be for you) for minimal risk*. At present I am merely here to join those advocating on behalf of knowledge.

*there has long been conversation as to the long term effects of such things and studies to match it and while it obviously does depend on the person and other factors I have not seen anything remotely conclusive yet (and I would bet good money on if it turned out it did your chosen government would shout it from the rooftops).

I will also echo the "if you want to make a blanket statement there are better places (we have had several threads on the matter) to do it"- be aware though that you had best bring some serious science to the debate.[/quote]
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wat? i can't tell what your point is.
are you denying the fact that new pills are constantly being made?
or.. idk ya lost me.

I think Fast is trying to say that you should not rely on the physical characteristics of the pill to judge it's contents/strength.
There are many tales of a certain pill being 'good' and other dealers creating the same design but with different contents, likely inferior to the original, in order to gain a sales boost.

And the tin thing, isn't "Does what it says on the tin" a common idiom? Am I just going crazy?

Also what is this "pure ecstasy" you are differentiating from MDMA, that you speak of?
MDMA = Ecstasy.

I dislike reducing things so others that would try and pull me up I am aware of many issues with what follows- do read my other posts in this thread though.

In a paragraph
Shape, size and colour- probably not worth the effort of even learning it. Far better to find a trustworthy dealer (others reading please spare us the "obvious" remark).
Combinations of different drugs- absolutely. Alas the modern world has seen monetary profit be the choice motivator and some of the modern combinations are not (or more worryingly potentially) that brilliant for you versus some of the safer or in many cases unmixed varieties that have been studied more extensively.
New recipes (thinking actual new things that are not traditional MDMA rather an isomer or tweak to a functional group*)- again absolutely. Same logic as the straight up mixing applies though.

The OP though does not appear to be too much of a scientist (who does not love a bit of Hubble imagery?) so that surely has to inform my replies here.

*again I direct you to Tihkal and Pihkal- two books, hundreds of resulting chemicals with radically different required dosages to do things (to say nothing of mixing things) and effects but still effectively two classes of chemical (one for each book).

More waffle
I am certainly not denying that new pills are being made and methods being dreamed up for all sorts of reasons (suppliers of certain chemicals changing up or things getting restricted- see some of the elaborate workarounds for those producing meth amphetamine, increasing strength, making it easier to do, making it less troublesome for those doing it, making it cheaper, upping yield, changing levels of byproducts/reducing issues with purification and so on and so on). Indeed in many ways I admire some of the people in this world- in many ways they are some of the best industrial and research chemists out there.
What I was saying though is any fool can make any pill containing whatever they like into any shape with any colour and any design they like with no trouble at all and they do it all the time.

Combinations of chemicals
No argument here either- it is mixing things together that got us where we are today and there is always the potential for something better out there (at least until we crack biology and even then there are other considerations) so it will continue. I do urge caution though as especially at the levels we are now playing at things can change extremely easily from simple changes- it is one of the things that makes chemistry, especially things like pharmacology, so very interesting to be involved in.


Edit: Re: "Does what it says on the tin"- I always thought it was a fairly common phrase but that might be the fault of Ronseal and equally might be one of the more UK centric phrases.

[quote name='moozxy' post='3622974' date='May 2 2011, 09:03 AM']I think Fast is trying to say that you should not rely on the physical characteristics of the pill to judge it's contents/strength.[/quote]
ohhh. isn't that kind of irrelevant, as that's more of an issue with how reliable your dealer is? and not about the pill itself?

Also what is this "pure ecstasy" you are differentiating from MDMA, that you speak of?
MDMA = Ecstasy.

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a joking way of listing "miscellaneous chemicals"

[quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3622716' date='May 2 2011, 09:04 AM'][quote name='machomuu' post='3622523' date='May 2 2011, 02:26 AM']Just wondering, did you spell it wrong in the title on purpose?[/quote]

Does it matter as everybody know what I was talking about?
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Well I just thought that maybe you did it as a joke or something.