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Are you talking about rxtools, blarg, what?

Agreed! 100%! I recently have seen examples like this, and it was disgusting to watch.

Respect, it's a dying concept.

@WeedZ
Just in general. I really respect every developer who takes time to create something, but I also know how it feels for your efforts to feel more than under-appreciated. I'm not saying innovation is bad, but be respectful of others work when you suggest one thing over another because you never know what works better for someone else, so it's best to give multiple options and think, 'Would I want someone to do this to me?'

Meh.
Assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Still though I would encourage working on not caring, makes online life so much easier.

@FAST6191
I think you missed the point, but I guess you don't care.

@H1B1Esquire: People are well within their rights to either give or withhold respect as they see fit. Who gets to decide whether particular instances of criticism are 'respectful' enough? Who gets to decide whether or not they are 'unfair'? You? If someone sees a particular work as garbage, should they not be allowed to say so? Should they not give their opinion? Why not?

While I don't care much for respect, i myself expect at least some decency to an extend from other and myself when engaging with one and other.
Though the "right" for decency can be lost, if someone acts without it towards others.
But this is simply how i feel about the subject.

@H1B1Esquire, fast is saying that if you care about something as trivial as people speaking out against software they don't like, because it can be seen as disrespectful, youre going to be eaten alive in this environment. People on the internet are anonymous and don't care about people's 'feelings'. Not to mention most people respond negatively to fascism, which is what telling people not to speak their opinions because of your personal morality is.

@Xiphiidae
Yeah, you just summed that up succinctly; RESPECT. Kind of like NOT just saying what you feel like because you can. Constructive criticism is a thing, but just bashing on something is not constructive criticism. Does that make sense to you? That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Sorry if your operative definitions of 'respect' and 'constructive criticism' don't mesh.

@Greymane
Common decency should be practiced more often. I feel that you don't have to ride a dick and grovel on the ground to show respect, but there should be a minimum of, 'How would I respond if this happend to me?'
Yes, everyone is different - what's too hot for some, is tepid for others - that's life. I just feel if someone put effort into something, why is it okay to act like a child and start name-calling over respectfully criticising the work in question?
I understand people have opinions, but this isn't like a personal definition on the hue 'blue', this is a human who labored on a work and while you don't have to give them a standing ovation, you should respect that fact the work was done at all - if you don't like it, is it okay to call it 'garbage' or would it be better to say, 'It's not my first choice, but it's an alternative.'?

@WeedZ
That could be, but I'm trying to offer another point of view. You could think of it as someone teaching you to eat with a fork over licking a plate. Sure, you could lick a plate clean, but using a fork shows you've got manners. From another point, if you created something, would you want to be put down, over and over or would you rather get some real insight as to why your work may not be on par with what's expected? For that matter, how would you know what's to be expected to better yourself if no one is addressing real issues?

Yes, I could say, 'Trump is less than dog shit.' but does it mean anything? If I said, 'Trump has no plan to truly assist any of the people who he promised to help in the middle-class and it's become evident by his proposal to raise taxes on those in the median of that tax bracket.' would that be a factual statement without resorting to childish behavior to actually critique the performance of the 45th U.S. President?

I agree, this is teh intrewebbz and everyone is so anonymati/1337, but I want to teach the people to eat with forks so the chef's can see we aren't slovenly pigs, parading in our filth.

At the very least, people could get some true feedback on projects to better future releases of whatever their work may be.

@H1B1Esquire: Oh hey, you avoided every point I made and ignored every question I asked. Nice!

Again, are you the one who gets to decide whether criticism is "constructive" or "bashing"?

I agree, there are better ways to give criticism. But assholes will always exist. Some people thrive on overcoming the shit people say to them. We should encourage people to not be so sensitive. You stop bullying by teaching kids character and giving them the tools to handle it. Not by giving them all participation trophies.

if everyone were super polite there would be no reason to improve, because everyone is going to support you no matter what. There needs to be negative consequences for failure. People telling you you're shit is appropriate for that. There is no progress without conflict, so I say bring the confrontation and personal attacks. The strong will persevere and overcome, the weak will fall to the wayside. Its called natural selection.

@Xiphiidae
Maybe that's how you took it, but that's because, to me, you summed up your own questions.

Yeah, you can give credit or not give credit. You can give no respect, a little respect or suck on a butthole till it prolapses from all the respect.

I don't know if it makes sense to you, but when you create something, it's better to get an idea of how it's viewed by others with facts or tips for improvement. Even when bad video games are reviewed, it's done in a way that others can understand why it can be viewed as 'bad'. Imagine IGN calling every game 'shit' or 'garbage'.....well, why is it shit, garbage, or shitty garbage?

You, me , and the next chipmunk can have an opinion, but why go out of your way to drag something through mud? That isn't an opinion or criticism, it's just acting like an uneducated lout, spouting nonsense out of your ass on a keyboard.

If you think I hold the power to call things 'unfair', that's your opinion. One fact you can't deny, simply calling something 'garbage' without backing up your claim is the same as calling someone a 'poopyhead.' It also holds the same weight. That basically means: State no facts with 'negative opinoin'= bashing. State facts with 'negative opinion'= criticism. I didn't have to be appointed any position to understand the difference.

So yes, you can go out of your way to say whatever you want, but it's just bashing. Anyone is entitled to this, but you look like a pile of steaming shit while you do it and probably keep steaming some time after.

Thanks for the satirical compliment; it totally made my morning.

I recently had my credibility attacked over helping a dev. Just because I wanted to help a project, someone felt the need to attack me, my previous work, and my credibility as a tester. It honestly really titled me because it was completely uncalled for, same with attacks on the dev's project.
This community really needs to get it's act together. There never used to be this amount of hatred towards devs/trusted members before. It's actually really upsetting to be such a longstanding member and to see this site in such a state.

@WeedZ
Yeah, there are better ways to give criticism, but I find it's best to use your mind to solve 'problems' or at least let another know what's 'wrong' in the first place.

If you think about it--'you' can't think for everyone and 'you' don't know everything. Maybe there's a reason something was done a certain way and it may not be known to 'you', yet, if 'you' tried to do the work yourself, 'you' might encounter the same scenario and be left with the same option and no alternative.

Ideally, it's not about being so polite your prose is a Tolkien novel, but respect for someone who created something and ultimately, created for others. You'd never know about a work that wasn't published if it was created for the sole purpose of being exclusive to the one who created it.
Everything is open for debate, but how should you go about it to avoid looking like an asshole? Facts.

I also believe there would always be a want or need in individuals to do better, but how can you do better when you don't know what's wrong?

This isn't 'respect your elders/respect your siblings/etc'; it's give feedback in a respectful manner so improvements can be made.

@Crystal the Glaceon
I think that falls into a different category. It's pretty much the result of no respect with retaliation and an ongoing dispute that morphed into a toxic meltdown.

This is to be expected, in a way. With more people living in an age where you never meet face-to-face, it's easy to write things off as, 'fuck you, you fuckin fuck' and not feel bad, because, why would you?
When you also add the sheer number of people anywhere on the internet just being assholes, things can spiral into depravity quickly. Granted, this isn't as bad as other websites, but there is an issue a lot of this stems from and the majority of it is in a general lack of respect.

The other part is probably explained by exponential curves and a theory or two....maybe throw in a social phenomenon for good measure.

I can believe if others change their view to think, 'What if this was me?' things would s l o w l y get a tiny bit better.
Feelings, thoughts, and reactions - that's all people are. Which should we try to control?

"but using a fork shows you've got manners. From another point, if you created something, would you want to be put down, over and over or would you rather get some real insight as to why your work may not be on par with what's expected? For that matter, how would you know what's to be expected to better yourself if no one is addressing real issues?"

If fork usage corresponds to manners then manners seems pretty arbitrary.

Anyway I still maintain filtering out anything that is not going to help you improve things like you filter out adverts, spam and the like is the way forward. There may be some information to be gleaned from volume of negative response, however at best it still likely pales next to one comment that might elaborate the barest amount. Granted anything I ever released is what it is and was done mostly to amuse me, if someone else enjoys it then fantastic.

@FAST6191
You missed the analogy. Licking a plate to eat you food like a dog when/ you aren't a dog = no manners. Using a utensil (fork) to eat = having manners.

Ultimately, arbitrary or not, go to a restaurant where they have more than one fork and spoon, eat your meal like a dog and tell me if manners are 'arbitrary.' You'll probably be asked if you're 'okay' or to leave.

In essence, you've strained the pulp of this blog, but left the glass of respect-juice to the side.

I'm glad you deal with things differently than most; next time you see someone disrespecting anothers work, you let that person know, 'don't worry - filter it out.'

I suppose licking a plate is stranger than slurping from a bowl, using a bread spoon, using fingers or using chopsticks.

As for letting someone know in the event of having their works disrespected without apparent cause or justification then as that would be business as usual I can do that.

@WeedZ
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@BlueFox gui
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