Using the sun to make coffee now ;)

Using the sun to make a cup of coffee is now within the possibilities of my solar power experiments! :D

During the crazy black Friday week I have bought a PowerStation! It's basically a powerbank on steroids intended to be used when you are outdoors a lot, when camping, or whatever people with RV's and caravans do ;). I have posted before about my experiments with solar panels and the electrical installation challenges that come with it. Learning about SolarCharge controllers, battery types, how to use and charge them, how not to destroy your batteries by discharging below 50% in case of lead acid, proper wire sizes, electrical safety.....and the list goes on quite a bit :rofl2:

I am still going with the full solar equipment with big batteries and stuff, I just wanted to have something more portable and that I could more easily explain...(or show off...get those confused sometimes) to other people what it can do! :lol: One of the downside is that using really big heavy batteries and solar equipment means that the system is not going to be portable! Unless you put it all in a trolley or something else that has wheels on it! The solar box I am working on right now will have 2 60Ah AGM batteries and they weigh 15KG each! This does not include copper wire, the wooden box that will house everything, the fuses and sockets etc.... I estimate the thing will weigh at least 50KG when it's all done!

So...I started looking at what some people call "Solar Generators"....but that term makes my skin itch!! It's not a generator!!! You do not put fuel into it! There is no engine! No motor! so...NO generator! A better name in my opinion is "Portable Power Station" because that's what it is. I would even accept "PowerBank" for non technical people. It has USB ports to charge phones and other devices ofcourse, but also a 12v socket "cigarette lighter" like in a car and on the side it has two 220V sockets in my case. The 110V version has three because they are smaller I guess.^_^

The brand and model I decided to go with is the EcoFlow River. It's small enough to be considered portable and it has a feature that NO other brand offers! It has an inverter rated for 600 watts but using a cool technique it can work with some devices that need up to 1600 watts! It does this by lowering the voltage and some other tricks to keep it at 600 watts maximum! This mean you can use heat guns, hairdryers, water boilers andddd coffeemakers!!!

Not that I am a huge coffee drinker or anything...it's just something simple enough people understand does not easily work on most camp grounds. Or in the middle of a field with no AC outlets anywhere! I do have a small tiny 12V water kettle that can boil 1L of water in about 35 minutes! It uses 11-15 Amps at 12V to do it....so it drains my batteries a LOT while testing it out! Most important reason I bought it is to test my wires and connection when there is a high load like this! It has melted a fuse holder and I learned my 1mm2 wires got really warm/hot while it was running! Even a switch that is rated for 20A got far to hot to touch from just the power that was going through it! But that might have just been the small wires causing it....need to retest with better thicker wires. :)

Sorry for the confusing and jumping around in this story....and it's getting long. hopefully it's not to boring :rofl2:

Where was I....ehm....right! Coffeemaker on sunpower. :D Not all people agree that a Senseo with coffeepads is "Real coffee" but it's the machine I have and it uses 1500 watts to boil water and makes coffee in about 1 minute when plugged into the wall. Using it with the PowerStation it takes about 3 minutes to warm all the way up and then...it only gave me half a cup of coffee!! I guess it's using the voltage for timing the amount of water or something, so I just pressed the button again! I made a personal video of it...but it's bad so not sharing it...and the firmware of the powerstation had a bug at that time! It was not showing me the remaining battery time on the display...but everything else seemed to work fine. After reporting it to EcoFlow they released a firmware update in about two days that fixed the issue! :D....and now I feel I am making a commercial. Not getting paid for this! I promise! ....I wish I was actually:rofl2:

Having nearly no sun for two weeks....or at least not enough to actually charge the thing with real solar power I did not want to make another video of it making coffee. But yesterday I have recharged it from 9% -> 37% with only solar power going into it! Right....that's the advantage of a powerstation compared to the "regular solar system setup" that this is an ALL-IN-ONE device! It has it's AC power input build into the unit to recharge in less than 2 hours! It also has a DC power in socket to recharge from a 12v car socket in 3-4 hours and the same socket can plug directly into "12V" solar panels. I quoted that because the actual voltage is more like 19-22 when solar panels generate power...and you need to take that into account! While it works and the included cable uses normal MC4 solar panel connectors they warn about only using their own brand of panels offcourse. But...since I learned a few things in the last few months about solar panels I knew the voltage was safe to use here.:D

Thanks for reading. Just needed this out of my head as usual. :rofl2:

Going to make some pictures of making coffee with it and add them later. Maybe even a video ;)

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I do have a small tiny 12V water kettle that can boil 1L of water in about 35 minutes!
For the goal of boiling water for coffee or tea it is the best to use a high power kettle. Using less power for boiling water results in needing more energy at the end. The water gets warmed up, it gets hot. The higher the temperature, the more thermal energy goes from the kettle to the environment at a time. The longer it takes to reach the target temperature, the more energy is lost into the environment. A low power water kettle would profit very much from good insulation. This will save a lot of energy where it is almost useless on a high power kettle.

Of course a small setup depending on batteries isn't able to provide much power (and you shouldn't torture two 60Ah AGM batteries with 3000 Watts power draw of a ultra-fast kettle).


Your example is an excellent illustration for the surprisingly high thermal capacity of water. Most people don't think about what energy is needed when they open the tap for hot water. At this point it is worth thinking about if it is a good idea to stand 30 minutes under the warm/hot shower.

Sorry for the confusing and jumping around in this story....and it's getting long. hopefully it's not to boring :rofl2:
Quite the opposite of boring. Maybe I'll get something similar in spring.
 
make it a linux script so you can both sudo make triggerAlarm and sudo make coffe
Awesome idea:D!! but than I would need to hack the coffeemachine since it has little pushbuttons on the top before it starts! ^_^

For the goal of boiling water for coffee or tea it is the best to use a high power kettle. Using less power for boiling water results in needing more energy at the end. The water gets warmed up, it gets hot. The higher the temperature, the more thermal energy goes from the kettle to the environment at a time. The longer it takes to reach the target temperature, the more energy is lost into the environment. A low power water kettle would profit very much from good insulation. This will save a lot of energy where it is almost useless on a high power kettle.
Like I said I only got it because it's a HUGE power drain and great for testing cable connections and wire sizes. :D But using thise 12V kettle for it's intended purpose is indeed a waste of energy. I'll only be using it for testing and fun...maybe a cup-a-soup or cup of tea afterwards so its not a waste of the heated water. Hahaha :D

Of course a small setup depending on batteries isn't able to provide much power (and you shouldn't torture two 60Ah AGM batteries with 3000 Watts power draw of a ultra-fast kettle).
Don't worry, I do not even have an inverter that can handle 3000 watts (yet)! hahahaha:rofl2:

I have actually tortured a single 25Ah battery for testing the kettle...draining it to nearly 45% before it was done boiling the water! :shy: Luckily I have special AGM batteries that Victron calls "Super Cycle" that allows them to occasionally be drained very low. I think it's "ok" to go to 0% on these things but not really sure. It will take some of the life out of them but knowing they somehow are designed for it feels comfortable.
That said.....this is just for experimenting. If I would have to rely on my batteries to power my entire house I would most likely never go below 80% as is recommended. Or even switch to lithium so I can go down to 10% and it will not be a problem at all!

Your example is an excellent illustration for the surprisingly high thermal capacity of water. Most people don't think about what energy is needed when they open the tap for hot water. At this point it is worth thinking about if it is a good idea to stand 30 minutes under the warm/hot shower.
The good thing is that if you put less than 1L of water in the kettle it should finish a lot earlier. I have not tried it yet as my wires and sockets were not safe to supply the 15A the kettle uses for a long period. Over the last weeks I did get all the required components to give it another try...just need some free time (and concentration) to work on it. ;)

Quite the opposite of boring. Maybe I'll get something similar in spring.
I highly recommend it! :D I'll bet that sping would be a better starting time yeah...I just could not wait that long! In case you like some good safety documentation I can suggest reading these documents: Wiring Unlimited and Energy Unlimited. That last one has a great story on how it's possible to even use induction cooking on a boat for a family of four people! In short: Induction cooking requires a high amount of power for a short time. But things like a fridge and freezer are on 24/7 and drain batteries a lot more during the day. (EDIT: it's on page 37 by the way)

I'll make a couple of pictures during the weekend and make more posts about it. Maybe it's entertaining or you can learn from it. But always do your own research. :D
 
....and then I used the battery for something else...and no usable solar power for a week until sunday! :cry::cry::cry:;)

I recharged it to 100% from AC power last night...and I could film it and show that the power station can do it, but then it's not "really" solar powered coffee. Right? :wacko:
 
....and then I used the battery for something else...and no usable solar power for a week until sunday! :cry::cry::cry:;)

I recharged it to 100% from AC power last night...and I could film it and show that the power station can do it, but then it's not "really" solar powered coffee. Right? :wacko:
You kind of remind me of people who used to charge cheap batteries in sun. Believe it or not it allowed us to listen to an hour or so of FM Radio per 5 hours of charge. lol, it really worked. IIRC D Cell Alkaline Batteries would last like three times than AA's so in the end I remember buying a ton of D Cell Batteries, wire them to a gameboy pocket, and damn that'd last like 2 or 3 days straight and then some more hours because of sun charge. LOL
 

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