Far Right Presidential Candidate Wins in Argentina

[Foxi4]

Lol authoritarian undemocratic laws for the only purpose to hamper climate protest, sure. We will see how long it lasts to the test of time and further challenges. But sure. The fact that they made it doesn't make it right by any chance. Interesting how libertarians become legalistic for traffic but where crying out murder for vaccines.

More importantly, this new act doesn't detail false imprisonment anywhere.

Because false imprisonment has always been illegal. You wanted to roll back to street protests. Decide what you want to argue about.

Emphasis on *now*, ad hominem laws.

I will clarify. Impeding traffic has always been illegal. Impeding traffic for the purposes of protest is now specifically illegal as a separate and distinct crime.

So not at all that ridiculous scenario of yours, and by the hands of the police.

It’s not a ridiculous scenario at all. False imprisonment is one step removed from kidnapping, and happens all the time. It’s illegal as fuck.

Most people are stupid, as one shouldn't toss criminal labels around as if they were candy. That's why criminal law is meant to be a last resort in society, except in authoritarian regimes. No question about the "assholery" of the act.

No, criminals are people who break the law. It’s actually a very clear category. Criminal law is not a “last resort”, it is used when the law is broken, always.

So again, your point is utterly bonkers. As you said, blocking traffic is blocking traffic, not false imprisonment.

If you are preventing me from leaving an area, by any means, against my will and with no legal justification, I have grounds to claim false imprisonment. You have eyeballs in your head and you can see vehicles behind my own on a highway, so I can’t reverse - you know this. By blocking me from the front, you have imprisoned me in that area. My only recourse is to leave my vehicle behind at which point I am endangering myself because I’m on a damned highway, and endangering my property, because I’m effectively parking it on a damned highway. The penalty for your behaviour should be a one-way trip to the sun on a ballistic missile.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Criminal law is not a “last resort”, it is used when the law is broken, always.

We will have to disagree on that, will have to take the word of the MoJ above yours.

 

[Foxi4]

We will have to disagree on that, will have to take the word of the MoJ above yours.

You are woefully confused in regards to what criminal and civil liability is. Criminal charges are pursued by the state, civil matters are pursued by the interested parties. The latter is elective, the former is not, at least in most cases.

 

[tabzer]

I'm an army of one dude. Everyone who disagrees with you isn't MAGA. I am able to disagree with everyone here. You should try speaking up when you see one of your comrades saying something wrong.

 

[Darth Meteos]

Will some of @Dark_Ansem's heroes jump in for his defense? @Darth Meteos @Xzi @supermist @KingVamp ?

The hivemind needs to protect its own.

for what purpose would i blacken my day to interact with you
i feel like i could reveal the truth of the universe to you through the voice of god and you'd go to your grave saying it was fake news by the woke plutocracy in heaven
what possible value is there in interacting with you at all other than to dunk for personal gratification and move on

 

[tabzer]

for what purpose would i blacken my day to interact with you
i feel like i could reveal the truth of the universe to you through the voice of god and you'd go to your grave saying it was fake news by the woke plutocracy in heaven
what possible value is there in interacting with you at all other than to dunk for personal gratification and move on

You and I both know that you aren't satisfied with that. Generic insults guised as poetic loudly hides how shallow and imperceptive you are, try saying something about me.

*The idea that you could speak through god, and that you have "the truth of the universe" is pretty revelational. It's a nice fantasy and speaks to what you desire. I could spend time entertaining it if it had more meat.

 

[Foxi4]

I think we’ve strayed away from Argentina for long enough, we should probably get back to it. The thought experiment, as entertaining as it was, was only meant to illustrate that “holding someone up” is not innocuous.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

You are woefully confused in regards to what criminal and civil liability is. Criminal charges are pursued by the state, civil matters are pursued by the interested parties. The latter is elective, the former is not, at least in most cases.

You are woefully making stuff up. I'm talking about a lecture I was lucky enough to hear in October 2010.

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The thought experiment, as entertaining as it was, was only meant to illustrate that “holding someone up” is not innocuous

No one argued it wasn't innocuous - annoying even. But between something not being innocuous and being a criminal charge, of "false imprisonment" amongst all things, a somewhat large gap lies - yet. Maybe it will be closed in the future.

 

[tabzer]

You are woefully making stuff up. I'm talking about a lecture I was lucky enough to hear in October 2010.

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No one argued it wasn't innocuous - annoying even. But between something not being innocuous and being a criminal charge, of "false imprisonment" amongst all things, a somewhat large gap lies - yet. Maybe it will be closed in the future.

You really should have read up on the definition of "hostage" before taking anyone with eyes and a brain down your rabbit hole. You could have spared many people; past, present, and future. Congrats on making your mark. (Scammers will always use the existence of "greater crimes" to excuse their own behavior.)






The following was on page 6. People within range of your mental capacity can't seem to take a position on this, but instead, stand on the sidelines in the streets and catcall those who do (look up pathetic):

If a protest is easily ignored, there's no point in staging it in the first place.

What does that mean? Blocking emergency responders from saving lives, impeding on others' ability to travel? Generally holding the well-being of civilians ransom? Whatever it takes to get noticed?

 

[Foxi4]

You are woefully making stuff up. I'm talking about a lecture I was lucky enough to hear in October 2010.

Killer source. A lecture none of us can verify in any way, as relayed by you. On the level of “I heard it from a guy”.

No one argued it wasn't innocuous - annoying even. But between something not being innocuous and being a criminal charge, of "false imprisonment" amongst all things, a somewhat large gap lies - yet. Maybe it will be closed in the future.

I didn’t write the criminal code. I can only recommend that you don’t commit any crimes. Are we done now? We can get back to Argentina, it’s okay if you don’t want to admit that you’d just punch me in my hypothetical scenario. I’d punch me, and it would be well-deserved. Self-defense, even.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

it’s okay if you don’t want to admit that you’d just punch me in my hypothetical scenario. I’d punch me, and it would be well-deserved. Self-defense, even.

Technically, if we go by your scenario you would be subject to assault and battery charges if you punched back, in addition to the others you think. Also, I didn't say I'd punch you, even if you'd totally deserve it, I said I'd shove you aside.

A lecture none of us can verify in any way, as relayed by you. On the level of “I heard it from a guy”.

Well, my guy is the former minister of justice, and this was a mention made en passant quite a while ago. Which I thought was very reasonable, even if today most people would not feel it is stringent enough. Then again, I've consistently been in favour of certainty of punishment, rather than meaningless severity.

Anyway, back to Argentina. The far-right dictator wants to leave BRICS to get in cahoots with Russia, probably as a thank you for massive election interference and fake news, like it happened in Brazil for that massive c**t Bolsonaro.

 

[Foxi4]

Technically, if we go by your scenario you would be subject to assault and battery charges if you punched back, in addition to the others you think. Also, I didn't say I'd punch you, even if you'd totally deserve it, I said I'd shove you aside.

Justifiable self-defense is legal and encouraged. People are free to use violence against those who would do them harm, for instance by keeping them prisoner.

Well, my guy is the former minister of justice, and this was a mention made en passant quite a while ago. Which I thought was very reasonable, even if today most people would not feel it is stringent enough. Then again, I've consistently been in favour of certainty of punishment, rather than meaningless severity.

A game of Chinese telephone over the course of more than a decade is not one worth engaging in. I can humour the notion that the state would prefer not to get involved, I can even humour the notion that there’s a definite preference for peaceful resolutions (saves the court’s time) or a preference of fines (money in) as opposed to imprisonment (money out) when it comes to punishment, but the notion that the state would ignore criminal behaviour is how you build a lawless society.

Anyway, back to Argentina. The far-right dictator wants to leave BRICS to get in cahoots with Russia, probably as a thank you for massive election interference and fake news, like it happened in Brazil for that massive c**t Bolsonaro.

BRICS was established in part *by* Russia. They’re literally part of the acronym - B.rasil, R.ussia, I.ndia, C.hina and S.outh Africa. Russia holds chairmanship of the alliance as of January. BRICS stands in opposition to the western world, and Argentina was not part of it. Milei withdrew from plans of joining it - you can’t “leave” an organisation you’re not a member of. The move is explicitly anti-Russia, not pro-Russia. You just presented it as the exact opposite of reality.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Justifiable self-defense is legal and encouraged.

At least we agree that self defense needs to be proportionate.

but the notion that the state would ignore criminal behaviour is how you build a lawless society.

Again, not what I said at all.

The move is explicitly anti-Russia, not pro-Russia. You just presented it as the exact opposite of reality.

As you're well aware, this is not true necessarily. He isn't joining brics, but pursuing closer ties with Russia directly. Oops, why is hyperlink feature broken

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.re...s/milei_argentina_brics_russia-421796380/amp/

 

[Foxi4]

At least we agree that self defense needs to be proportionate.

Again, not what I said at all.

As you're well aware, this is not true necessarily. He isn't joining brics, but pursuing closer ties with Russia directly. Oops, why is hyperlink feature broken

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.re...s/milei_argentina_brics_russia-421796380/amp/

As one would in lieu of being beholden to an economic pseudo-cartel. He wants the benefits, but none of the drawbacks. Smart.

As far as proportionate self-defense is concerned, I maintain that anyone engaged in such activities should be shot out of a cannon into a wall made of solid steel.

 

[KingVamp]

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I'm an army of one dude. Everyone who disagrees with you isn't MAGA. I am able to disagree with everyone here. You should try speaking up when you see one of your comrades saying something wrong.

You got us. Now welcome to the hivemind.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Now welcome to the hivemind

And just like that, hivemind IQ dropped by 20 points.

 

[tabzer]

And just like that, hivemind IQ dropped by 20 points.

There is only 1 Q in the hivemind, genius. Get in your cannon.

 

[Foxi4]

This thread got overshadowed by the conflict in Gaza, among other things, but there’s some good news from Argentina.

Under Milei’s leadership the country has just posted its first budget surplus in 12 years.

https://www.barrons.com/amp/news/argentina-sees-first-monthly-budget-surplus-in-12-years-a148e46a

 

[Maximumbeans]

This thread got overshadowed by the conflict in Gaza, among other things, but there’s some good news from Argentina.

Under Milei’s leadership the country has just posted its first budget surplus in 12 years.

https://www.barrons.com/amp/news/argentina-sees-first-monthly-budget-surplus-in-12-years-a148e46a

Impressive no matter where you stand on the guy. If you hadn't posted this link, I would have no idea. Even Googling it directly gives a weird mix of coverage. Sky News Australia specifically, for some reason, but not UK or elsewhere. Conversely, it was big news when he was voted in.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Impressive no matter where you stand on the guy.

Full picture:
The last report from the National Institute of Statistics and Census (Indec) dating back to the first semester of 2023 showed a 40.1% poverty rate. The UCA survey also detected that indigence went up from 9.6% in the third quarter of 2023 to 14.2% in December 2023 and to 15% in January 2024, and the poverty level rose from 44.7% in the third quarter of 2023 grew to 49.5% in December and 57.4% in January, the highest figure since series began in 2004 when it stood at 54%.

With no update to the overall minimum wage or unemployment benefits and meager adjustments among just a few trade unions, the country's economic activity has been on a downward patch under the Libertarian administration which, nevertheless, boasted it had achieved a zero deficit.
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According to the center’s latest report, the increase in poverty levels in January is partly due to the devaluation of the Argentine peso applied by the Milei government shortly after taking office on Dec. 10. This resulted in an increase in the price of the country's basic basket — which includes food, services and non-food goods — and the basic food basket.

So.. not that impressive, he managed to achieve a "surplus" (a logical impossibility considering the state of the country finances but hey, if we valuing performance on a day to day basis...)