The war on gay kids: "Give 'em a good punch"

[smile72]

Hurray!!! Also what state do you live in?

North Carolina (see my previous edit)
I'm fighting along with a lot of other people in my state to ensure equal rights to equal people, anything less than that is a problem for me and mine.

God luck with that, Illinois doesn't allow same-sex marriage, North Carolina will probably succeed in double banning it. However let us all pray for gays in Maryland and probably Washington who are going to have to fight to keep their right to marry this November.

 

[Fear Zoa]

*sigh* I don't want to live in this country anymore, I mean really whats with the anti gay crusade, If you live in a country with freedom of religion and beliefs, you should expect people to be different then you. That doesn't fucking mean punch them till they listen it means they have a right to be gay just as one has a right to be straight.

Some people love the rights given to them, but hate to accept that they will be given to others too

Don't let the Christian groups hear you... see to them when a gay person gets married it somehow violates their freedom of religion (even though marriage is controlled by the government). Also this is the Bible Belt so......... this is not exactly uncommon to hear from an Evangelical pastor.

I think the problem is that despite the separation of church and state, our values are at their very core based on religion. Even marriage itself comes from religion which is why people are offended by it. They need to realize that marriage is not a union of a man and a woman under one god anymore, its a legal status and their are many benefits that come with it that are completely detached from the original meaning.

at least that's my interpretation. Who knows, Maybe i'm giving them too much credit and their all just a bunch of hypocritical homophobes


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[Rockhoundhigh]

I now have a strange image in my head of a preacher beating up a little kid ._.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

*sigh* I don't want to live in this country anymore, I mean really whats with the anti gay crusade, If you live in a country with freedom of religion and beliefs, you should expect people to be different then you. That doesn't fucking mean punch them till they listen it means they have a right to be gay just as one has a right to be straight.

Some people love the rights given to them, but hate to accept that they will be given to others too

Don't let the Christian groups hear you... see to them when a gay person gets married it somehow violates their freedom of religion (even though marriage is controlled by the government). Also this is the Bible Belt so......... this is not exactly uncommon to hear from an Evangelical pastor.

I think the problem is that despite the separation of church and state, our values are at their very core based on religion. Even marriage itself comes from religion which is why people are offended by it. They need to realize that marriage is not a union of a man and a woman under one god anymore, its a legal status and their are many benefits that come with it that are completely detached from the original meaning.

at least that's my interpretation. Who knows, Maybe i'm giving them too much credit and their all just a bunch of hypocritical homophobes

Objection! Religion and Marriage are both VERY old...older than recorded time even, and after extensive study it's still undetermined which came first.

 

[smile72]

*sigh* I don't want to live in this country anymore, I mean really whats with the anti gay crusade, If you live in a country with freedom of religion and beliefs, you should expect people to be different then you. That doesn't fucking mean punch them till they listen it means they have a right to be gay just as one has a right to be straight.

Some people love the rights given to them, but hate to accept that they will be given to others too

Don't let the Christian groups hear you... see to them when a gay person gets married it somehow violates their freedom of religion (even though marriage is controlled by the government). Also this is the Bible Belt so......... this is not exactly uncommon to hear from an Evangelical pastor.

I think the problem is that despite the separation of church and state, our values are at their very core based on religion. Even marriage itself comes from religion which is why people are offended by it. They need to realize that marriage is not a union of a man and a woman under one god anymore, its a legal status and their are many benefits that come with it that are completely detached from the original meaning.

at least that's my interpretation. Who knows, Maybe i'm giving them too much credit and their all just a bunch of hypocritical homophobes

Just so you all know, you're all going to be shitty parents. You're either too lax (fucking lazy) or too restrictive. You know who you are.

That's cool, I have no intention of ever being a parent (how does being lax make one lazy?)

Most Conservative Christians groups don't want any legal recognition for gay couples,they don't want them in the military, hell they don't even want them breathing

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[Fear Zoa]

*sigh* I don't want to live in this country anymore, I mean really whats with the anti gay crusade, If you live in a country with freedom of religion and beliefs, you should expect people to be different then you. That doesn't fucking mean punch them till they listen it means they have a right to be gay just as one has a right to be straight.

Some people love the rights given to them, but hate to accept that they will be given to others too

Don't let the Christian groups hear you... see to them when a gay person gets married it somehow violates their freedom of religion (even though marriage is controlled by the government). Also this is the Bible Belt so......... this is not exactly uncommon to hear from an Evangelical pastor.

I think the problem is that despite the separation of church and state, our values are at their very core based on religion. Even marriage itself comes from religion which is why people are offended by it. They need to realize that marriage is not a union of a man and a woman under one god anymore, its a legal status and their are many benefits that come with it that are completely detached from the original meaning.

at least that's my interpretation. Who knows, Maybe i'm giving them too much credit and their all just a bunch of hypocritical homophobes

Objection! Religion and Marriage are both VERY old...older than recorded time even, and after extensive study it's still undetermined which came first.

Yea I'll give you that one its unknown which came first. But religion has a strong attachment to marriage nonetheless

 

[mthrnite]

Look, I'm an atheist myself, and an ardent one, religion is mostly foolish piffle, but, religious groups are coming around, except the evangelicals, but they're just a subset. Things are getting better, and that's why the bigots that are left are getting louder.

 

[KingVamp]

I'm not a atheist(not sure how much that matters...),but to force sexual orientation, it just doesn't seem right.

 

[mthrnite]

I'm going to adopt the children. Doubt it, I'm bipolar.. therefore their lives will be super interesting.

Don't pretend to know what to expect, just do your best, and hope for the best. Being a parent will take you a lot of places you can't really imagine, and whatever you are now, you'll be something different once you've got kids. Unless you're a dick. Dicks stay dicks regardless.

 

[p1ngpong]

God help the next person who derails this thread into an offtopic bitchy little flame war.

 

[smile72]

I'm going to adopt the children. Doubt it, I'm bipolar.. therefore their lives will be super interesting.

Don't pretend to know what to expect, just do your best, and hope for the best. Being a parent will take you a lot of places you can't really imagine, and whatever you are now, you'll be something different once you've got kids. Unless you're a dick. Dicks stay dicks regardless.

I'll try my best. If you don't mind could I continue this conversation with you through PM's?

 

[BlueStar]

Seriously I'm paying $3.85 at the pump.

You've really embraced that republican memo of 'no matter what is being discussed, change the subject to gas prices' haven't you? Not that I see anyone saying what the hell Obama is supposed to do about it, short of controlling petrol companies to set prices which I thought was socialism. Also, you'd have a heart attack if you saw how much petrol was over here.

I couldn't give a shit what one crazy pastor says. If anything gays have an elevated status in society these days and I'm really getting sick of all this lame ass propaganda

Elevated status? Cool. Try an experiment for me, get a male friend of yours and spend a day and an evening walking around your hometown holding hands with him. Come back and tell us how much you enjoyed your day of elevated status.

 

[cris92x]

My mind is completely stupified by that person's words if you can call him a person. How does punching a 4 year old kid solve homosexuality, being gay isn't a damned learned trait that you can just override. All that makes you is a horrible person for hitting a child. Honestly, as a practicing catholic I'm beyond offended that we christians get lumped together with these idiots who lack common sense and morality. Bible's main points are about tolerance, love, and that everyone has good inside them, but oh no none of this applies to poeple you hate such as other races, religions, or sexual orientations. I never understood hatred towards another group and I never will. What do homosexuals do that offend people so much? It isn't a disease it can't spread, homosexuals are also more loyal in their relationships, and from personal experience have found them much more understanding and compassionate than straights. Homosexual men are more of a "man" than straight men because they have the courage to stand up for their beliefs and tell a majority who hate them that they are different.

 

[Sicklyboy]

Note: What I am going to say is very subjective.
I don't understand why people have such problems with gays (as a primary example, though many other things fall into this.)

Me and my girlfriend have talked about this, how she is surprised that I am just not like other people; how open minded I am. For the most part, I follow the "to each their own belief. As long as whatever you're doing isn't harmful to yourself or others (that's the subjective part - "harmful" varies from person to person and belief to belief), I am pretty much gonna be okay with it.

Gay? By all means, go for it! If you find your love in someone of the same sex, that's great. I find my love in someone of a different sex, which is great too. I've even had other guys tell me how they find me attractive, which I am okay with, I just appreciate that you don't go any further and try to make unwanted advances on me, as a girl wouldn't want a guy to make unwanted advances on her, though still might appreciate him calling her cute.

Religion? I have my beliefs and you have yours. Your may and probably do differ from mine, which is completely cool. Want to discuss it with me? Go for it, but let's just keep it at that; don't go overboard and start telling me how X "god" is superior or how your religion/beliefs might be better.

Vegetarianism/Veganism? This is what the basis of the discussion with my girlfriend was about, as she is a vegetarian. I for one couldn't imagine myself not eating meat, but that doesn't make it right for me to think less of someone else for not wanting to do so. I might very well be interested in the dietary changes you need to make to ensure you get the right nutritional intake each day, maybe I would like to hear about some of the vegetarian/vegan meals you make - some of the stuff my girlfriend makes sounds/is absolutely delicious. Chances are you probably don't give a damn and would rather not hear about how much bacon I ate last night, and I certainly don't want to be told that eating meat is flat out wrong. I understand that there is much unnecessary cruelty in the meat industry, but nothing can be perfect. Not saying I agree with it, but it's not on the top of my list of concerns.

Let's see...

Here's some things more on the fence for me.

Marijuana usage? My father raised me telling me that if he ever catching me using any kind of drug, he will literally beat the shit out of me. And to this day, I've kept from doing anything. Many people say marijuana is harmless, which it very well may be. I don't agree with using it, though haven't shunned anyone for doing so. I've many a pot-heat friend.

Other drugs, some are very harmful. That I do not agree with at all. Smoking is disgusting to me, and has been proven to have many negative health effects. Alcohol, definitely not something good to get in to, though in moderation it isn't terrible, and I'd be lying if I said I've never been drunk.

I just don't understand how people can be so close-minded. Me being tolerant wasn't specifically part of my upbringing, that's just something that I've always believed in as I've grown through the years. I wish everyone could just keep their beliefs out of everyone else's face and realize that not everyone is going to adhere to your pre-conceived notions of some "golden standard" for living.

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My mind is completely stupified by that person's words if you can call him a person. How does punching a 4 year old kid solve homosexuality, being gay isn't a damned learned trait that you can just override. All that makes you is a horrible person for hitting a child. Honestly, as a practicing catholic I'm beyond offended that we christians get lumped together with these idiots who lack common sense and morality. Bible's main points are about tolerance, love, and that everyone has good inside them, but oh no none of this applies to poeple you hate such as other races, religions, or sexual orientations. I never understood hatred towards another group and I never will. What do homosexuals do that offend people so much? It isn't a disease it can't spread, homosexuals are also more loyal in their relationships, and from personal experience have found them much more understanding and compassionate than straights. Homosexual men are more of a "man" than straight men because they have the courage to stand up for their beliefs and tell a majority who hate them that they are different.

(For the record, I am agnostic.) Not to turn this discussion into a religious debate (please, let's just not...) but whenever I see people the Christian extremists (As in NOT you, I have no problem with what you're saying) spewing some shit about how Christianity is the only right religion this and that, I love pulling out the passages in the Bible from Leviticus. What he says tends to just be completely absurd, lol. I very much agree with everything you said, ESPECIALLY the last bit how homosexuals are more of a man than straight men.

 

[mthrnite]

... Honestly, as a practicing catholic I'm beyond offended that we christians get lumped together with these idiots who lack common sense and morality. Bible's main points are about tolerance, love, and that everyone has good inside them, but oh no none of this applies to poeple you hate such as other races, religions, or sexual orientations. ...

Many of my friends and family are religious. I see them changing their religion's tenets from the inside, while taking heat from the higher ups to step back in line with the dogma. I really respect them for pushing those boundaries. I was raised Primitive Baptist, and while I did make it out, you tend to coddle the religion you're indoctrinated into somewhat. I was happy to see recently that a Baptist church in my area (NC, same as the preacher we're talking about) has refused to perform legal "traditional" marriages until same-sex marriages are considered legal in our state. They'll continue to perform ceremonies, but will handle none of the legal structure whatsoever. What I think it boils down to, is that they don't want their God to be a god of hate, like what you're saying. I don't buy any of the God business at all, but I respect that all the same. I'd rather you have a loving god if you're going to have one at all.

 

[BlueStar]

My mind is completely stupified by that person's words if you can call him a person. How does punching a 4 year old kid solve homosexuality, being gay isn't a damned learned trait that you can just override.

You're talking about an institution that used to punish children for 'unnaturally' writing with their left hand and force them to use their right until they developed a stammer, don't bother looking for logic.

 

[ZAFDeltaForce]

As a Christian, I find this both offensive and ironic.


Christianity is supposed to be a religion of love, yet we're encouraged to hate and beat up gays?

*facepalm*

 

[cris92x]

My mind is completely stupified by that person's words if you can call him a person. How does punching a 4 year old kid solve homosexuality, being gay isn't a damned learned trait that you can just override.

You're talking about a religion that used to punish children for 'unnaturally' writing with their left hand and force them to use their right until they developed a stammer, don't bother looking for logic.

I'm also talking about a religion that was persecuted and killed for following their savior, the point is every major group throughout history has suffered and at the same time done many atrocities to mankind. We live in an age where you can just go to a library or the internet and research any topic easily. I don't know how to change the oil filter on my car let me go ask a mechanic, find a book, or google that, but on the other side I don't know much about homosexuality except that my pastor tells me its bad and so does everyone else, let me not go and befriend a gay person or research information independently. If you can have your own opinions then you have the mental capacity to go decide by your own self and look into your choices. You don't buy something if you don't know what it actually does, at least that is how it's supposed to work, there will always be those who are suckered by the words of others.

 

[Sicklyboy]

My mind is completely stupified by that person's words if you can call him a person. How does punching a 4 year old kid solve homosexuality, being gay isn't a damned learned trait that you can just override.

You're talking about an institution that used to punish children for 'unnaturally' writing with their left hand and force them to use their right until they developed a stammer, don't bother looking for logic.

http://en.wikipedia....ral_and_dextral

I had no idea until my girlfriend told me about this a few months ago. I'm a lefty. I'm sinister!

but on the other side I don't know much about homosexuality except that my pastor tells me its bad and so does everyone else, let me not go and befriend a gay person or research information independently.

And therein lies the issue with many a controversial topic - someone (not just a religious leader, mind you) tells you/a group that something is wrong or immoral, and with nobody to tell them otherwise, they believe it. If they have their own opinion about that already, they'll denounce what they were just told.

With this specific topic, someone says you ought to punch your kids for exhibiting homosexual traits. "Well, I guess I've never really put much thought into homosexuality, but now that this guy mentions it, I sure as hell don't want my kids to turn out to be some queers. If he says punching them is gonna be helpful, by God I ought to do it then! I ain't heard anything else that'll stop it."

And we have a word for this kind of person. "Sheeple".

 

[koimayeul]

North Carolina Pastor Sean Harris: Parents Should 'Punch' Their Gay-Acting Children (AUDIO)

IN MY OPINION: don't punch kidz ALSO don't have children unless you are willing to accept whatever the kids decide for themselves

http://www.huffingto...ref=mostpopular

Fixed that for you.